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18 Aug 2020, 8:12 pm

Fnord wrote:
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... Fnord knows he mistreats people...
Wrong.  I know a few people claim that I have mis-treated others.
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... and he knows it's wrong...
I know that mis-treatment is wrong, but mis-treatment was never my intent.
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... and is proud of it.
This is either a fantasy or an outright lie -- no one can read my mind.  Either way, this is what I meant when I said to check your own behavior before you check mine.  The charges levied against me are of a few isolated cases, the gaps between which have been filled with presumptions and prevarications regarding my intentions and motivations, as if people were on a campaign to have me banned.

Everyone knows you mistreat other people,and so do you,you need a reality check :mrgreen:


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18 Aug 2020, 8:17 pm

blooiejagwa wrote:
have to get used to all kinds of personalities in order to improve understanding of people and life (from hearing their experiences, styles of communicating, and views) ... which makes us better people.



blunt honesty or abrasive or complacent
or mellow or kind or humorous or a mix...


always find something relevant here to understanding/getting on with ppl in my daily face-to-face interactions...


I think people forget that one of our defining characteristics *IS* our blunt honesty.
You may not like it, but you *should* respect it if the intent is to help others gain insight/enlightenment.

Fnord is a master of "blunt honesty", in my book, and it helps in making people think.

Unfortunately, there are many emotionally damaged people who come here who may find this unusual sharing difficult.
It's a trade-off. <shrug>



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18 Aug 2020, 8:20 pm

vermontsavant wrote:
Fnord wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
... Fnord knows he mistreats people...
Wrong.  I know a few people claim that I have mis-treated others.
vermontsavant wrote:
... and he knows it's wrong...
I know that mis-treatment is wrong, but mis-treatment was never my intent.
vermontsavant wrote:
... and is proud of it.
This is either a fantasy or an outright lie -- no one can read my mind.  Either way, this is what I meant when I said to check your own behavior before you check mine.  The charges levied against me are of a few isolated cases, the gaps between which have been filled with presumptions and prevarications regarding my intentions and motivations, as if people were on a campaign to have me banned.

Everyone knows you mistreat other people,and so do you,you need a reality check :mrgreen:


I guess I am not as sensitive as some people.
If someone says something that sounds a little caustic, I tend to digg deep to determine what the intention was.
But hey, I am super, dooper smart. 8) :mrgreen:



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18 Aug 2020, 8:21 pm

my middle brother was actually the one who picked up on things that made him realize something was wrong with various people who have taken advantage of my family or abused someone IN the family.

he always spoke up if it was relevant or might help keep those people away... but kept it to himself otherwise..
surprised at how much he realizes without saying..

nice brother 'nicens' everyone up

but notices the bad stuff still.. isn't blind to it... but tries to explain it away..

both have made errors of judgement at times..

middle one often assumes things that aren't there ,in hypervigilance or mis-reads someone's statement...
or turns it into something else...

nice brother has his own way of dealing with people.

i needed both in my life for feedback... constantly.. like guards... :mrgreen:
i sometimes ask nice brother to tell XH something that i know XH wouldn't listen to if i said it...

ideal would be my sister's approach as she has a balance,
and always does everything correctly from what i've seen, and can handle ANY situation / type of person...

also constantly reading everything that relates to logic, ethics, arguing, psyche, etc.

i told her she should have been a L and work her way up to judge for other people's sake..

even if it makes you want to become an alcoholic from seeing so many sad stories (probably)


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18 Aug 2020, 8:21 pm

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18 Aug 2020, 8:22 pm

Pepe wrote:
blooiejagwa wrote:
have to get used to all kinds of personalities in order to improve understanding of people and life (from hearing their experiences, styles of communicating, and views) ... which makes us better people.



blunt honesty or abrasive or complacent
or mellow or kind or humorous or a mix...


always find something relevant here to understanding/getting on with ppl in my daily face-to-face interactions...




I think people forget that one of our defining characteristics *IS* our blunt honesty.
You may not like it, but you *should* respect it if the intent is to help others gain insight/enlightenment.

Fnord is a master of "blunt honesty", in my book, and it helps in making people think.

Unfortunately, there are many emotionally damaged people who come here who may find this unusual sharing difficult.
It's a trade-off. <shrug>


when did i say i don't like it? i was just summing up attitudes (and therefore perspectives/insights) that have been of benefit to me when coming here.


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18 Aug 2020, 8:24 pm

Blunt honesty doesn’t make a person right.

If I listened to all the blunt honesty sent my way, I would have remained in my 2-year-old state (which was borne out of the fear which is often part and parcel of “blunt honesty.”

One doesn’t always have to be blunt to convey essential truths.

Many times, “blunt honesty” is made use of in bullying. I don’t always trust it.



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18 Aug 2020, 8:27 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
It’s all a big balancing act.


That it is. :thumright:

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I have a long way to go in being good at navigating people and how to get the best out of them.


I suggest a bigger whip. :P

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There are times when I’ve been an abject failure....but this happens less frequently as I get older.


Don't put yourself down, KK.
*THAT* is *MY* job. :mrgreen:



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18 Aug 2020, 8:29 pm

blooiejagwa wrote:
Pepe wrote:
blooiejagwa wrote:
have to get used to all kinds of personalities in order to improve understanding of people and life (from hearing their experiences, styles of communicating, and views) ... which makes us better people.



blunt honesty or abrasive or complacent
or mellow or kind or humorous or a mix...


always find something relevant here to understanding/getting on with ppl in my daily face-to-face interactions...




I think people forget that one of our defining characteristics *IS* our blunt honesty.
You may not like it, but you *should* respect it if the intent is to help others gain insight/enlightenment.

Fnord is a master of "blunt honesty", in my book, and it helps in making people think.

Unfortunately, there are many emotionally damaged people who come here who may find this unusual sharing difficult.
It's a trade-off. <shrug>


when did i say i don't like it? i was just summing up attitudes (and therefore perspectives/insights) that have been of benefit to me when coming here.


I wasn't criticising you.
I was adding something.

I took the opportunity to say something I wanted to express,
That is all. :wink:



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18 Aug 2020, 8:29 pm

Pepe wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
It’s all a big balancing act.


That it is. :thumright:

kraftiekortie wrote:
I have a long way to go in being good at navigating people and how to get the best out of them.


I suggest a bigger whip. :P

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kraftiekortie wrote:
There are times when I’ve been an abject failure....but this happens less frequently as I get older.


Don't put yourself down, KK.
*THAT* is *MY* job. :mrgreen:


that girl put fake tan on her face but not her hands.. hands usually darken the first esp when driving...
chest also darkens less and slower -- this is one reason they say sunscreen is important there. because enough protection via melanin isn't happening and cancer can show up (also for ears)


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18 Aug 2020, 8:32 pm

Some of those “spoilers,” actually, should be read by more people.



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18 Aug 2020, 8:34 pm

Blunt is fine. Opinions are usually fine. I like old school personalities as well.

Presuming to know what's best for other people based on random and often prejudicial judgements about their character or life experience, and calling those opinions "Honesty", is something completely separate. It's like defining good intentions vs bad intentions. That's an argument for Philosophy, which some members say is an inferior and insignificant subject to STEM.

Usually, "blunt honesty" can only be stated about a person's own life and not about anyone else's.

And here's a little whip for Pepe. Image


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18 Aug 2020, 8:35 pm

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I am in favour of everyone checking their own behaviour. There is nothing more important than how we treat each other. This is fundamental for our well-being and for us to thrive. I think Steve 1963 is my "man of the week" for apologising to Fnord. This is manhood at it's very best.

For Steve's magnificent apology :heart:



I agree.
People should show their "manhood" more often.
Errr. :scratch: :mrgreen:

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An Oxford Comma is a comma placed immediately after the penultimate term (i.e., before the coordinating conjunction, which is usually "and" or "or") in a series of three or more terms.


Isn't he dreamy? <sigh> :heart:
What an intellect. <sigh some more>


my best teacher, Mr Coggan, who called himself Mr. Cobweb in math problems where he was the main character--

was against the Oxford comma TOTALLY and would red-mark it.
he also said his most prized possession was his Oxford dictionary which he showed us and he had a specific magnifying glass with which to read it...


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18 Aug 2020, 8:36 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
Many times, “blunt honesty” is made use of in bullying. I don’t always trust it.


My hackles are up, and that doesn't happen often. 8O

Use your intelligence and determine the intent of the "Blunt Honesty".
Control your emotional interference and focus on being rational.

*INTENT* is vital, and yet so many people are oblivious to this fact.

BTW,
Thanks for the bit of spice in our conversation.
I don't get that all too often. :mrgreen:



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18 Aug 2020, 8:37 pm

Pepe wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
Many times, “blunt honesty” is made use of in bullying. I don’t always trust it.


My hackles are up, and that doesn't happen often. 8O

Use your intelligence and determine the intent of the "Blunt Honesty".
Control your emotional interference and focus on being rational.

*INTENT* is vital, and yet so many people are oblivious to this fact.

BTW,
Thanks for the bit of spice in our conversation.
I don't get that all too often. :mrgreen:


i keep throwing side things for you to make fun of but you are remaining on topic.
impressive.


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18 Aug 2020, 8:38 pm

^^ try as you might but you will always be a pretender to the throne :mrgreen:


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