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17 Jan 2016, 11:53 pm

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I also agree with whomever said (I've read this entire thread, but I can't remember who said, what) that it would never happen because Alex isn't about to allow a forum that can't be crawled, and thus bring more visitors / ad revenue.


We already have some sections that can't be crawled...members only and the adult section. And I'm not sure but I think the haven can only be viewed by members.



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18 Jan 2016, 8:19 am

I think some of the guys here are fearful that we are plotting against them. And that we will come up with inferior ideas without their input. That's pretty childish.

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...when it comes to the women's forum, I think men could offer different perspectives on issues and create interesting discussions. I rarely go to that section, but it seems that the vast majority of men who post there respect the women and don't stir up any issues.

First off you can't offer any validity about your experience with the sub-forum right after saying you don't often visit it, but what I want to take issue with is the idea that men's perspectives are needed there. Really, we can talk amongst ourselves without creating existential chaos.

I am against the idea of blocking men from the Women's Discussion. It would be pointless as you can enter any information you want when you register. I think the better strategy is to ignore these posters. When someone says something inflammatory it's because they want attention ... they want to whine and blame and wallow. Ignore them. Carry on the discussion as if they had not posted.



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18 Jan 2016, 3:05 pm

I'm female, and I don't support the idea of these restrictions on wp.
I have no problem with forming a female only forum elsewhere, you can probably get plenty of members from wp.


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18 Jan 2016, 3:17 pm

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I am against the idea of blocking men from the Women's Discussion. It would be pointless as you can enter any information you want when you register.

Exactly!

Introduce slightly different rules for the existing Women's Discussion, similar to The Haven; its not perfect but its an achievable step forward.

Also edit the ethos, moving away from the ambiguous:
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This is a place where women can feel safe to be themselves. "Having a male gynecologist is like going to an auto mechanic who doesn't own a car."
(??) and towards a more mature representation of what women with ASD need.



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18 Jan 2016, 4:06 pm

Amity wrote:
androbot01 wrote:
I am against the idea of blocking men from the Women's Discussion. It would be pointless as you can enter any information you want when you register.

Exactly!

Introduce slightly different rules for the existing Women's Discussion, similar to The Haven; its not perfect but its an achievable step forward.
There's also some women who have Male entered as their gender like wilburforce


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18 Jan 2016, 7:10 pm

I just googled "women only websites". It's simply amazing how many there are!

So why are people complaining about WrongPlanet when there are literally hundreds of other websites to turn to that will give them exactly what they want?



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19 Jan 2016, 2:31 am

A search of Women only Autism Websites and Women only Aspergers websites yeilds only the "Autism Women's
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19 Jan 2016, 7:11 am

Well, then ... if the "Autism Women's Network" is the only competition, then a website called "Women's Autism Network" will have a good chance of success!


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19 Jan 2016, 5:03 pm

Fnord wrote:
I just googled "women only websites". It's simply amazing how many there are!

So why are people complaining about WrongPlanet when there are literally hundreds of other websites to turn to that will give them exactly what they want?


But if a good chunk of the autistic women are encouraged to leave this site and participate elsewhere, what about all the autistic guys here who constantly complain how hard it is to talk to women and how much they wish there were more women they could talk to? Does asking us to leave and find our own place to talk really help us OR them? I thought this site was supposed to be about bringing autistic people together--are you saying that only applies to autistic men, and autistic women if they want community should look elsewhere? Maybe that's part of the problem of why so many autistic guys have no experience dealing with or talking to women--when they get the chance and women are actually around, they talk s**t about women and then tell us to leave if we don't like it. And then you guys sit there and whine and wonder what you do wrong and why won't women talk to you... :roll:



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20 Jan 2016, 6:47 pm

Fnord wrote:
I just googled "women only websites". It's simply amazing how many there are!

So why are people complaining about WrongPlanet when there are literally hundreds of other websites to turn to that will give them exactly what they want?


Lol, by the same logic, why are you complaining about not wanting to be excluded from a subforum for women - where the discussions really don't pertain to you to begin with - when there are literally hundreds of other discussions on WP for you to participate in?

Why do you think it is okay for you to tell women to go find a different forum, or create a whole new forum, but it's not okay for women to prefer that men stay out of just ONE subsection of this forum?



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20 Jan 2016, 7:11 pm

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Why do you think it is okay for you to tell women to go find a different forum, or create a whole new forum, but it's not okay for women to prefer that men stay out of just ONE subsection of this forum?

Good question. I have to say though that it is only a few men who are offenders. And they are so obvious they don't need to be named. It is just that those few are so vocal.
What I struggle to understand is why these men dislike women so much.



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22 Jan 2016, 6:31 pm

This may give you a clue.

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...would it eventually devolve into discussions on the most effective ways to break down and emasculate the male psyche?


They fear women are plotting to emasculate them.
i.e they fear losing power.
People hate what they fear.


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22 Jan 2016, 7:24 pm

Raleigh wrote:
This may give you a clue.
Fnord wrote:
...would it eventually devolve into discussions on the most effective ways to break down and emasculate the male psyche?
They fear women are plotting to emasculate them.
i.e they fear losing power. People hate what they fear.
Actually, I fear this website being taken over by a group of people who are hostile toward me for no other reason than the fact that I am male. I fear not having this website to log into because every opinion I presented would be taken apart and trodden upon by people who live solely for the pleasure that ridiculing others brings them. I fear being wrongly accused of thoughts and feelings I don't have by those whose agenda includes seeking approval and acceptance for themselves through bullying and insulting those of us who are targets of the arrogant elite. Finally, I hate only those who spread lies about me behind the anonymity of this website, and who troll for a negative emotional reaction from me just so they can point at me and say, "See? I told you he was like that!"

This whole thread is a moot discussion, however. Not only does the OP seem to have logged off for good, but the owner of this website does not seem at all interested in supporting the OP's point of view.

This thread is better off locked than left open.


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22 Jan 2016, 7:47 pm

Fnord wrote:
Raleigh wrote:
This may give you a clue.
Fnord wrote:
...would it eventually devolve into discussions on the most effective ways to break down and emasculate the male psyche?
They fear women are plotting to emasculate them.
i.e they fear losing power. People hate what they fear.
Actually, I fear this website being taken over by a group of people who are hostile toward me for no other reason than the fact that I am male. I fear not having this website to log into because every opinion I presented would be taken apart and trodden upon by people who live solely for the pleasure that ridiculing others brings them. I fear being wrongly accused of thoughts and feelings I don't have by those whose agenda includes seeking approval and acceptance for themselves through bullying and insulting those of us who are targets of the arrogant elite. Finally, I hate only those who spread lies about me behind the anonymity of this website, and who troll for a negative emotional reaction from me just so they can point at me and say, "See? I told you he was like that!"

This whole thread is a moot discussion, however. Not only does the OP seem to have logged off for good, but the owner of this website does not seem at all interested in supporting the OP's point of view.

This thread is better off locked than left open.


I don't see any reason why this thread should be locked. I think your level of fear and paranoia is unwarranted--where are all these women saying these things about you? Where are you getting the idea that the women in this thread discussing the potential of a women's forum are somehow a threat to you? I don't get why you guys are so afraid of us just wanting to talk about women's issues without having men jumping in to our discussions all the time telling us our issues aren't relevant to them so we should stop talking about them. You're seriously afraid women are going to take over WP and chase all the male users away somehow? Seriously?? 8O



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22 Jan 2016, 9:46 pm

The same rules apply here as in every other forum, so let's not get into gender based attacks, personal attacks or any of that stuff here, please!

The topic is "why can't we have a women only forum?" Several reasons that are convincing to the ultimate arbiter of such issues have been given elsewhere, but you may continue to argue for it here as much as you like. Let's not have this devolve into "us" and "them" war of the sexes posts, though--keep that sort of thing in PPR, Women's Discussion or Love & Dating (if you really want to go there!)

I suggest that you look at the specific rules for the Women's Discussion forum and ask the mods to enforce points 2 and 3.

Enforcement of those rules is an achievable goal in the short term. A restricted forum for people who claim to be female is far less probable, unless something changes.



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23 Jan 2016, 12:49 am

dianthus wrote:
Lol, by the same logic, why are you complaining about not wanting to be excluded from a subforum for women - where the discussions really don't pertain to you to begin with - when there are literally hundreds of other discussions on WP for you to participate in?


The fact of the matter is that the rules clearly say it's not a forum for women only, and women's issues pertain to anyone interacting with women in their life, too. The rules don't say the forum is only about issues pertaining to women who live completely isolated from men and want nothing to do with them, to be zealously guarded from the corrupt gaze of male eyes, either.

The forum is part of alex's site. Those of you who want it to exclude men are the ones who want to change the rules, and you have no right to demand that from alex. Besides, you couldn't stop him, who happens to be male, too, from reading or posting on that forum, which belongs to him, like the rest of the site.

dianthus wrote:
Why do you think it is okay for you to tell women to go find a different forum, or create a whole new forum, but it's not okay for women to prefer that men stay out of just ONE subsection of this forum?


As a corollary of what's already been discussed ad nauseam and beyond, it follows that your best bet to have a women-only forum would be to make it yourselves, much like alex did with his whole site. On the other hand, if the goal is to complain for its own sake, keep it up---you're doing fine.


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