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18 Aug 2020, 9:11 pm

IsabellaLinton wrote:
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That’s my whole point, really. The Amiable Ones should wield their strength in numbers.


And get accused of counter bullying or snowflakedness :lol:


... Or being overly sensitive divas, snitches, people with inferior skin thickness, and privilege.



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Oh,
You were being sarcastic. :mrgreen:



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18 Aug 2020, 9:12 pm

Fnord wrote:
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... Fnord knows he mistreats people...
Wrong.  I know a few people claim that I have mis-treated others.
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... and he knows it's wrong...
I know that mis-treatment is wrong, but mis-treatment was never my intent.
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... and is proud of it.
This is either a fantasy or an outright lie -- no one can read my mind.  Either way, this is what I meant when I said to check your own behavior before you check mine.  The charges levied against me are of a few isolated cases, the gaps between which have been filled with presumptions and prevarications regarding my intentions and motivations, as if people were on a campaign to have me banned.

It might be worth going back and looking at the times when people felt they were being mistreated, in order to find out what caused this feeling? It would probably help if those who felt they were mistreated explained what they took issue with, as it may just have been simple misunderstandings between different communication styles...Or maybe there was some "subtle" implication in the reply that they detected, whether intentionally included or not.

Once the cause of this is found, it can be eliminated/understood, and so (hopefully) cease to be a problem.



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18 Aug 2020, 9:17 pm

Pepe wrote:
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That’s my whole point, really. The Amiable Ones should wield their strength in numbers.


And get accused of counter bullying or snowflakedness :lol:


There needs to be a balance.
There is usually a male/female thingie happening.

There needs to be a balance in between.
Neither side should dominate, imo.

"Reason" should trump emotionalism.
Erm, Excuse the "trump" word.
Who would have thought a politician would make a word unfashionable? :scratch: :mrgreen:


You do you and I'll do me , what you see as emotionalism is sometimes cognitive empathy


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18 Aug 2020, 9:18 pm

Just because you’re accused of being a snowflake or whatever......doesn’t mean you ARE a snowflake.

The way to show people you are not what you’re accused of being....is to assert yourself, and counter their accusations through not attaching credence to them.

I’ve been accused of many things. I’ve had a few people try to get me banned and whatever. I’ve been tempted to just stop coming here—yet I’m still here. If I left, I would be giving credence to the naysayers.

Strength in Numbers!



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18 Aug 2020, 9:18 pm

Pepe wrote:
There needs to be a balance.
There is usually a male/female thingie happening.

There needs to be a balance in between.
Neither side should dominate, imo.


In my opinion that's not the problem.
I have way more male friends on WP than females.
I do have a male brain, or so they say?
Most of our men are great. Including the skunks.
We don't even know anyone's true sex / gender, anyway!

If I had to divide us into two groups they'd be:
1) people who think other people's feelings, opinions, and points of view are valid
2) the other 2% who think they can determine truth about other members or their character


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18 Aug 2020, 9:22 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
Just because you’re accused of being a snowflake or whatever......doesn’t mean you ARE a snowflake.

The way to show people you are not what you’re accused of being....is to assert yourself, and counter their accusations through not attaching credence to them.


That sounds great, but it includes an overtone of ableism.
People with trauma, depression, anxiety, etc., don't necessarily have these skills.
That doesn't make them snowflakes or sensitive or privileged.
In fact, most people who don't have those skills have lived through tremendous tragedy.


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18 Aug 2020, 9:22 pm

Brictoria wrote:
Fnord wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
... Fnord knows he mistreats people...
Wrong.  I know a few people claim that I have mis-treated others.
vermontsavant wrote:
... and he knows it's wrong...
I know that mis-treatment is wrong, but mis-treatment was never my intent.
vermontsavant wrote:
... and is proud of it.
This is either a fantasy or an outright lie -- no one can read my mind.  Either way, this is what I meant when I said to check your own behavior before you check mine.  The charges levied against me are of a few isolated cases, the gaps between which have been filled with presumptions and prevarications regarding my intentions and motivations, as if people were on a campaign to have me banned.

It might be worth going back and looking at the times when people felt they were being mistreated, in order to find out what caused this feeling? It would probably help if those who felt they were mistreated explained what they took issue with, as it may just have been simple misunderstandings between different communication styles...Or maybe there was some "subtle" implication in the reply that they detected, whether intentionally included or not.

Once the cause of this is found, it can be eliminated/understood, and so (hopefully) cease to be a problem.


I am not sure it is an actual "Elephant" in the room.
Perhaps a wombat, but...

Why is "everyone" giving so much power to one man?
Fnord is usually a single player, a man unto himself, or have I missed something?

People can, and do, simply point out where they disagree with him.
Fnord *usually* gives an honest appraisal.
Why punish/attack an aspie for his blunt honesty?
Curious. :chin:



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18 Aug 2020, 9:23 pm

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I'm confused about the topic here. Are we still talking about how to help WP or is that passé?
After the unstated topic became "The Evil That Is Fnord", the overall topic kind of fragmented and dispersed along different paths.

Anyway, there seems to be no consensus opinion as to how to make WP better, except for maybe, "It's all Fnord's fault", "Don't offend those who are easily offended", "Make every post a happy, funny, warm and fuzzy affirmation of everyone's worth as human beings ... or get the Hell off this website", and "Use the Report button, and/or send PMs when reporting infractions of The Rules ... but never, ever use the Moderator Attention thread to report the same infractions".

Do I have it correct so far?


None of my comments have been directed at you Fnord. None.
OK, maybe the one about not respecting Philosophy, but that's all. :wink:


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18 Aug 2020, 9:27 pm

Just because a bully says that a guy or gal will never amount to anything because they don’t have a job, car, and don’t look like a movie star......doesn’t mean it’s true.

A person does not have to be “interesting” to be appealing to another person.

Ever seen the ad for Don Equis Beer? The “most interesting man alive” is a drunk.

I don’t have the “skills,” either. I can’t fight my way out of a paper bag. All I know is that people who call me this and that DON’T KNOW me. That should be the mantra to the bullies: YOU DON’T KNOW ME.



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18 Aug 2020, 9:29 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
Just because a bully says that a guy or gal will never amount to anything because they don’t have a job, car, and don’t look like a movie star......doesn’t mean it’s true.

A person does not have to be “interesting” to be appealing to another person.

Ever seen the ad for Don Equis Beer? The “most interesting man alive” is a drunk.

I don’t have the “skills,” either. I can’t fight my way out of a paper bag. All I know is that people who call me this and that DON’T KNOW me. That should be the mantra to the bullies: YOU DON’T KNOW ME.


The mantra to bullies should be: FOLLOW THE RULES.
Of course they don't know you, but that's why we have rules in place to protect everyone equally.

The onus is on them to stop breaking rules, not on the recipients to stop caring.


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18 Aug 2020, 9:30 pm

And don’t ever tell me that I think people who suffer traumas are snowflakes. You would be dead wrong.



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18 Aug 2020, 9:32 pm

IsabellaLinton wrote:
Pepe wrote:
There needs to be a balance.
There is usually a male/female thingie happening.

There needs to be a balance in between.
Neither side should dominate, imo.


In my opinion that's not the problem.
I have way more male friends on WP than females.
I do have a male brain, or so they say?
Most of our men are great. Including the skunks.
We don't even know anyone's true sex / gender, anyway!

If I had to divide us into two groups they'd be:
1) people who think other people's feelings, opinions, and points of view are valid
2) the other 2% who think they can determine truth about other members or their character


There is also a generational thing to consider.
I grew up in a much more tolerant society in terms of what could be said.
We even engaged in "Male Banter", with ill intent, yet political correctness has stomped on that particular social interaction.

I even had people turn against me when I was doing it with a *willing* male partner because "they" didn't understand where we were coming from. :evil:
I still pick at that "scar" today, obviously. :mrgreen:



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18 Aug 2020, 9:33 pm

Fnord wrote:
IsabellaLinton wrote:
I'm confused about the topic here. Are we still talking about how to help WP or is that passé?
After the unstated topic became "The Evil That Is Fnord", the overall topic kind of fragmented and dispersed along different paths.

Anyway, there seems to be no consensus opinion as to how to make WP better, except for maybe, "It's all Fnord's fault", "Don't offend those who are easily offended", "Make every post a happy, funny, warm and fuzzy affirmation of everyone's worth as human beings ... or get the Hell off this website", and "Use the Report button, and/or send PMs when reporting infractions of The Rules ... but never, ever use the Moderator Attention thread to report the same infractions".

Do I have it correct so far?


If you are just recapping what's been said about you , I think you may have missed a few things :lol:

I don't agree with any of the above , except the 'don't offend comment' as that would seem intentional


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18 Aug 2020, 9:35 pm

Fnord wrote:
After the unstated topic became "The Evil That Is Fnord", the overall topic kind of fragmented and dispersed along different paths.



:lmao:



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18 Aug 2020, 9:36 pm

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And don’t ever tell me that I think people who suffer traumas are snowflakes. You would be dead wrong.


I wasn't talking about you. I'm talking in generalities, about the mindset of some people on this site.
This thread is about helping the site overall. I'm not referring to you or Fnord or any specific members.

It's a mindset I've seen from the top down, to blame victims for being thin-skinned.

And Pepe: I'm in your generation. I'm not into PC either.
There's a difference between non-PC, and being respectful of other members.
If anything, PC has caused some serious problems.


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18 Aug 2020, 9:41 pm

if you watch the show Brittas Empire you will see everyone here (wp) talks like that when discussing things .

In that show, as in others, the humour via catastrophe, and discontentment, come about when someone doesn't voice their perspective and assumes the other person will just pick up on it.

the main thing that keeps them all going together is how, regardless of disagreements/opposite temperaments, they adhere to the 'team' principle bound by 1 solid goal (in this show's case "bringing people together through sport")


and things work out... or don't --but no hard feelings--- except for the person who never says exactly as she feels or really thinks and lets resentment build up ( his wife)

i said this before in 2 posts to Brictoria (both of which mods chose to delete :roll: ) as it seemed person was new and that PC was actually the opposite of what i've seen here- perhaps too much at times when slander and slurs have been allowed-
about nobody chaining us and can speak up--free to if not being personally attacked, no reason not to--
and listed ways one can join in a discussion and say what you think, your argument/perspective/calling someone out if it bothers you that much/ignore a person if they somehow find them abrasive and cannot get on with them.

we have a solid goal, surely.
and then the team principle...? can't work out if everyone assumes or is worried that everyone's out to get each other.
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