***Where Has my Thread Gone, and Why?***

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I don't know who to ask; have no idea which mods are on, nor which one(s) removed my thread, ( if that is what happened ), and I haven't received a pm to say why, so I am asking here.

I had posted a long and thoughtful thread in the Adult forum about the connection between female sexual pleasure and partner's power/money, ( something which I personally feel has something to do with my own aspergers/autism, as sexuality in my case was definitely affected by my AS fear of motherhood ) and several of us were having a peaceful and considered discussion about this, completely free of offensive language, insults, flaming, forbidden words, etc, and it has suddenly disappeared.

Is this a glitch? If so could someone please put it back on?

If it isn't a glitch could someone please explain to me why such a reasonable and "adult", in the best sense of the word, thread has been removed?

Erm, did it have something to do with the thread about the "Wealthy men give women more orgasms" study that LPP had linked to?

Yes. I had read the thread on here about it, and all the fuss made me curious, so I looked the article up.

It was very interesting, and rang so many bells with me, with my own experience, that I started a thread about it in the Adult Forum, with one of my usual long and thoughtful commentaries and the link right at the end.

I thought that putting it in Adult, posting relevant comment based on my own experience, and treating the subject seriously as it merits, should be ok, and I really wanted to know if other AS women had had the same experience as me, with the article as support, ( because the connection, between sexual excitement and a relatively wealthy partner, is not exactly something I'm proud of ).

I figured that it must have been something about the way LPP's thread had been presented ( however accidentally ), as the article is not at all offensive, and no explanation had been given for its deletion ( so no idea what aspect of it was taboo ).

I have received a pm from a mod which suggests that the issue is still under discussion, and "thanking me for understanding", but no explanation for the moment ( except "consistency" ). I am very curious to see what reason will be given, both for the original deletion and this one.

I would be sorry to see it permanently deleted because not only did I spend quite a lot of time on my half a dozen posts, ( as I'm sure a couple of other people did too ), but I suspect that it may in fact be very relevant to AS experience, ( especially AS women ).

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I removed the thread; it is a duplication of a thread that was removed previously by a member of the moderation team, and the rules specifically mention the resurrection of such topics. While there is on-going discussion regarding the original situation, until such that situation is resolved, I am keeping with the rules and have removed (not deleted) your thread from the forum at this time. If you have further questions, please feel free to PM me.


M.

Thank you for the explanation.

I was thinking about it after going to bed last night, and I was trying to figure out, on the basis of the two deleted threads, and the suggestion that mine was removed for reasons of consistency, what exactly it is in all this that is "banned"/taboo.

The rule against "resurrection", ( used to justify the removal of my thread ), could not refer/apply to LPP's thread itself, as I did not mention it. The only thing that was resurrected was the subject, and the link which supported it.

I was not aware that the rule against "resurrection" applied to the subjects of deleted/removed threads, ( unless it was a topic already specifically forbidden in the rules ), and it would surprise me if it did, because that would mean that the subject of any thread that was deleted or locked would automatically become out of bounds, ... something which is clearly unworkable, and would gradually reduce the number of subjects available for discussion to zero!

As the rule against "resurrecting a thread" cannot apply to the subject matter ( for the above reasons ), my thread must have been deleted in order to maintain moderator-team "consistency", as already suggested by another mod in their pm to me.

( It cannot have been the style/presentation ( of the thread ) which was at fault/"taboo"; mine certainly couldn't be called spam, nor did it involve flaming, offensive language, or officially forbidden topics and it made no mention of the deleted thread either, and the article linked to is perfectly normal journalism ).

Obviously something about the topic itself has provoked the ban. The precise nature and extent of this "topic-ban" will need serious clarification, ( if the two threads are not returned to their places ), in order to avoid similar situations in the future.

At the moment it seems that the subject ( "a possible hard-wired connection between female sexual excitement and the wealth of their partner" ), is a taboo one, which no member of WP may discuss in any form.

I am wondering how long the ban on this subject will go on for, whether the restriction will become a part of official WP regulations, and where exactly the line will be drawn between what is forbidden and what is permitted; whether for example members will still be able to discuss the effect of physical assets/attributes on sexual excitement, or how chronic lack of income is negatively impacting on their sex life, etc.

I look forward, with great interest, to hearing the reasoning behind these deletions, and with equal interest to the explanations and guidelines which will be required to banish this topic from WP.

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I think part of the problem is differences between how things are discussed in the different forums here. "Consistency" demands that a banned topic be universal (with some limited exceptions for the adult forum,) but the differences in environments between some of the forums end up making it a very grey area when somebody wants to discuss something in a different context than the one in which it was banned. If that makes sense. It's hard to draw the line between resurrecting a topic and finding a better context for the topic.

I think when you bring back the exact same subject and the exact same link, then you have "resurrected" a deleted topic, particularly if you did it knowing the same information had been deleted before.

That said, I appreciate that you took the time to argue your case for the topic based on facts and relevence, in your earlier post. It would be nice if members were willing to put forth that effort more often, rather than just cry fowl.

It's becoming obvious what the problem really is.

Some topics are becoming taboos here , it sounds that evolution-related and evolutionary psychology-related threads (some of my favorites interests) are taboos now.

It's also obvious that some mods (Mak in particular) are sexism-phobic (or to be more particular sexism_against_females-phobic), any gender-related thread would be taken by them as sexist, for example any post taking into consideration the op's gender and the gender roles imposed by societies is considered sexist.

It's also obvious too that there are a sort of ....hmmm what to call it? "white knighthood" ? or should I simply dare to call is sexism against men? It all started with the deletion of Men's forums section replacing it with a sticky useless thread in some unrelated section , all this under the pretext of illogical and very false reasons.



I should point that the second two threads ("Science: Attractive Women Make Men Stupid", "Men see half naked women as 'objects', scientists claim" ) would never been deleted if I didn't send that PM because they remained way longer than the first thread , I think that the only reason why those two deleted because of embarrassment, it would embarrassing to explain to me why really the first one was deleted while the other two remained. I would assume that the first thread was assumed as "offensive" to women so that's a crime, while the other two remained because they are not, despite that they can assumed as "offensive" to men following the same falsified reasoning. Yet, I was VERY aware that those threads were sensible and could be assumed in the wrong way when I posted them.

So when i pointed to the other 2 threads in the pm , the mods got embarrassed, the three threads are of the same nature so how to explain that only that particular one was deleted while the other two remained for a while without any mod reaction? What's the only difference between them? So deleting them all was the 'egalitarian" solution.

I admit, my pm to the mod was like a bomb trap to find out why really the first thread was removed in the first place. The real and the true reason why the first thread was deleted is because whoever deleted that thread or whoever reported that thread had really believed that this thread was sexist and offensive to women, while deleting the other 2 was just a response to my pm in oder to appear egalitarian. Nice trick, but it also exposed why the first one was deleted.

Last edited by LePetitPrince on 30 Sep 2009, 12:42 pm, edited 2 times in total.

Magiedoll, I recall how things were discussed in all those three threads, since they were my threads. I don't recall flaming in any of them . In fact, I recall very well that the majority of users were disagreeing with the linked studies and criticizing them (thread 1 included) , so there were no flaming comments or wars going on between members in any of those threads that I am aware of.

You know what, I'm going to call nonsense on this.

First off, your three threads were deleted by a different moderator. Do I think it's quite possible that the first one was deleted because it was considered sexist, then the other two because you brought them up in retaliation? Absolutely. But that was a different mod, and a different situation.

This time, the thread mimiced another thread (yours) that was deleted and is the subject of some minor controversy. Even if it wasn't intended to be the exact same thing, by posting the same study, it's too similar to be considered a completely different thread. He even said that the second thread hasn't been deleted and so it's reasonable to assume that there's a possibility - not a definite or even a probablity, but a possibility - that it will be put back up at another time.

It wouldn't matter if the post was about the artwork of killer bugs. If it's a repeat of a thread that was deleted, posted soon after the original, it's going to be removed. That's happened before with multiple other topics. Don't become so focused on the drama that you lose sight of how the site has operated in the past and how the rules work.

As for the men's forums - that was deleted well over a year ago, as I'm sure you well know. It was fairly pointless, and it was just taking up space by that point, because it was essentially a shoot off of the adult forum. It's rather like the off the wall/random boards now; they're essentially the same thing, with maybe a few small differences, although they started out very different. Should the sticky be where it is now? Probably not, as that's not the first place that would jump to mind, but I'm guessing that's where the topic was started that particular time, so they stickied it there. That doesn't make it sexist though.

Actually, you know what, I'd love to hear some reasons why the men should have their own board if women do, because it comes up every two months, yet no one ever bothers to provide an in-depth reason as to why. Please try to move beyond "because the women do" and provide some actual topics that would be discussed that wouldn't fit fine into other parts of the forum.

I think one of the issues with that is that people don't always know. I know that it's pretty impossible to notify everyone who posted in a thread about why it was removed, but when people aren't notified, they don't know what the problem was or where it went. Sometimes threads disappear because they've been moved, sometimes they disappear because there's a glitch, sometimes they disappear for reasons that had less to do with the topic than some outside thing that people posting didn't necessarily know about.

There have been a few threads by people talking about having a very strict inner need for fairness. They want everything to be evenly applied all the time, because it leaves them very nervous not knowing what might tip the scales against them. So for some people here, apparently something that seems unfair can trigger the same reaction as breaking a routine. One minute, they think they know what's going on, and the next, suddenly it all seems upside-down.
There's this panic when you expect to find something somewhere, and suddenly it's not there.

LPP, I don't really know what happened in any of those specific threads..
It is kinda a difficult position because it's so hard to figure out where the line is. WP in general coming off as sexist wouldn't be good. There's been enough of that "WrongPlanet is a hate site that's against NTs" crap, and although I'm fairly certain that it's just people who were banned for trolling who are saying that, it still puts kinda puts moderators in an awkward position.
There do need to be some better guidelines on acceptability, but I don't really know how it'd even be possible to define them.

If the first thread was deleted because the subject is taboo, then it would be equally valid to delete the second thread of the same subject.

If the first thread was deleted because of the reprehensible manner in which it was presented, then the removal of the second thread is invalid.

The posts regarding wealth and orgasms have been merged and restored to the Adult Autism Issues forum after review.


M.