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Ought there to be a subforum for Christians to discuss their views about the Bible without having to constantly act as verbal punching bags and other such detractions from fruitful conversation?
Yes 24%  24%  [ 6 ]
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08 Feb 2011, 1:25 pm

Why not have a subforum to allow for conservative Christians to discuss topics of interest to them without having to be hassled to "prove the existence of God" every few femptoseconds? There have been many topics in PPR which could otherwise have been fruitful discussion if not for having to constantly receive diatribes about how evil Christianity is or how all Christians are this or that or how this one person or another had a bad experience one time and have therefore declared personal war with all Christians universally. Though I do not know the number of topics offhand, I would venture to estimate that their quantity would at least exceed the number of topics in one of the newest subforums of WP, and probably more topics than that of the stats subforum also.



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08 Feb 2011, 1:42 pm

No. Christianity is BS btw :)



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08 Feb 2011, 1:46 pm

This topic has come up before and never reached a satisfactory conclusion. Personally I'm not a Christian and I sit on the opposite side of the fence to you; however I respect your right to have a free conversation amongst your fellow Christians without being harassed by none-believers. A few thoughts:

1. Creating a sub-forum is only something Alex can do so that is totally up to him.

2. I don't think there is any practical way religious believers can share the same forum (PPR) that discusses politics and philosophy without others plunging in and debating the existence or otherwise of God.

3. Looking for solutions? I can offer one suggestion, the one I made a year or two ago that you could have your own sticky thread either in the Members forum or the Haven specifically for Christian believers to discuss your faith. As I'm now a moderator I could actually do something about that and create such a sticky thread. It would strictly be for Christians to debate aspects of their faith and any posts contrary to that scope would be removed. i.e. debates about Creationism/evolution existence/none-existence of god should carry on as they are now in PPR. Thoughts?


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08 Feb 2011, 1:46 pm

I don't see how being autistic or having Asperger's has remotely anything to do with being a Conservative Christian.

There are only so many things an ASD forum can do...



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08 Feb 2011, 2:51 pm

Volodja wrote:
No. Christianity is BS btw :)


I'm not an athiest (though I'm not really a thiest either) thats a real a**hole statement to make who are you to judge what is BS and what isn't?

Regardless I don't think this subforum is a good idea. You'd need to make a conservative libertarian subforum, a green anarchist forum, a democrat subforum, an apathetic subforum and dozens of others, what about a liberal christian subforum, or a promiscuous catholic girl subforum (hell I'd frequent that one). Either don't discuss your beliefs or be prepared to develop a thick skin. If you want to spread your beliefs keep in mind that there are plenty of christians who have suffered real abuse and are still suffering trying to convert others. Insulation breeds stagnation and stagnation breeds weakness.



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08 Feb 2011, 3:20 pm

utherdoul wrote:
Volodja wrote:
No. Christianity is BS btw :)


I'm not an athiest (though I'm not really a thiest either) thats a real a**hole statement to make who are you to judge what is BS and what isn't?

Regardless I don't think this subforum is a good idea. You'd need to make a conservative libertarian subforum, a green anarchist forum, a democrat subforum, an apathetic subforum and dozens of others, what about a liberal christian subforum, or a promiscuous catholic girl subforum (hell I'd frequent that one). Either don't discuss your beliefs or be prepared to develop a thick skin. If you want to spread your beliefs keep in mind that there are plenty of christians who have suffered real abuse and are still suffering trying to convert others. Insulation breeds stagnation and stagnation breeds weakness.


I think Volodja's statement typifies what many people really think about Christianity. However, the fact that such a statement is made exemplifies the problem that Christians face on this site. Typically there are two main types of religious discussion in PPR:

1. Religion versus science and reason. Creationism versus Evolution. (Think debating chamber atmosphere)

2. Discussion by believers of practical aspects of Christianity and interpretation of biblical verses etc. (Think church or bible group atmosphere)

While PPR is a great forum for the first, it is useless for the second.

I think there are a sufficiently large number of Christian members (all denominations and flavours totalled) that maybe a Christian (all denominations) sticky thread would maybe work? A little "church" where they can get together.

It obviously wouldn't work if there was a thread for each denomination; there would be a ridiculous number of such threads.

BTW I think your suggestion for a promiscuous catholic girl subforum is a great idea and will recommend it to Alex. :wink:


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08 Feb 2011, 10:25 pm

It's funny how so many Christians are so reluctant to discuss their beliefs with sensible, rational people. I guess they know deep down that they're devoting their life to a delusion :flower:

Also, one of my posts in this thread has mysteriously disappeared. For now I'll assume it was accidental :)



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08 Feb 2011, 10:46 pm

jmnixon95 wrote:
I don't see how being autistic or having Asperger's has remotely anything to do with being a Conservative Christian.

There are only so many things an ASD forum can do...


Neither do most of the other subforums than the general autism discussion forum. If all WP had was a discussion of the Autistic Spectrum Disorders, I would think that most people would be done here once they got tired of discussing whether or not they qualify as this or that. Having forums for conversations of topics not pertaining to merely the commonality of our mental disorders is something which facilitates conversations in continuance.



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08 Feb 2011, 10:57 pm

Volodja wrote:
It's funny how so many Christians are so reluctant to discuss their beliefs with sensible, rational people. I guess they know deep down that they're devoting their life to a delusion :flower:

Do you truly believe that -- Are *you* delusional? -- or are you just taking a cheap shot?

Either way, and as the one who has volunteered to try to keep an eye on things in PPR, maybe TallyMan's thought of a "sticky" thread might at least be worth a try ...

Thoughts?


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08 Feb 2011, 11:00 pm

leejosepho wrote:
Volodja wrote:
It's funny how so many Christians are so reluctant to discuss their beliefs with sensible, rational people. I guess they know deep down that they're devoting their life to a delusion :flower:

Do you truly believe that -- Are *you* delusional? -- or are you just taking a cheap shot?

Either way, and as the one who has volunteered to try to keep an eye on things in PPR, maybe TallyMan's thought of a "sticky" thread might at least be worth a try ...

Thoughts?


Of course it's delusional. If I believed fairies fly out of my arse and that was what made th world go round, wouldn't you say that was a load of bollocks?

Also, can we have sticky for Jedis too while we're at it? Thanks in advance :)



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08 Feb 2011, 11:06 pm

Volodja wrote:
Of course it's delusional.

That is not what I have asked. I have asked whether *you* might be delusional, and I ask that because I have never found Christians to be "reluctant to discuss their beliefs with sensible, rational people."

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Also, can we have sticky for Jedis too while we're at it? Thanks in advance :)

If you wish, and if you agree to voluntarily refrain from posting your own related version of "sensible, rational" in the other.


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08 Feb 2011, 11:11 pm

leejosepho wrote:
I have never found Christians to be "reluctant to discuss their beliefs with sensible, rational people."


iamnotaparakeet seems to be asking for that

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Also, can we have sticky for Jedis too while we're at it? Thanks in advance :)

If you wish, and if you agree to voluntarily refrain from posting your own related version of "sensible, rational" in the other.


I would agree to that :)



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08 Feb 2011, 11:26 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Why not have a subforum to allow for conservative Christians to discuss topics of interest to them without having to be hassled ...

If you want to try a non-hostile "sticky" for that, I will try to help keep everything "sensible, rational" ... but that does *not* mean any member/s in good standing here on WP can/will ever be forbidden from posting there.

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It would strictly be for Christians to debate aspects of their faith and any posts contrary to that scope would be removed. i.e. debates about Creationism/evolution existence/none-existence of god should carry on [elsewhere].


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08 Feb 2011, 11:52 pm

leejosepho wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Why not have a subforum to allow for conservative Christians to discuss topics of interest to them without having to be hassled ...

If you want to try a non-hostile "sticky" for that, I will try to help keep everything "sensible, rational" ... but that does *not* mean any member/s in good standing here on WP can/will ever be forbidden from posting there.

TallyMan wrote:
It would strictly be for Christians to debate aspects of their faith and any posts contrary to that scope would be removed. i.e. debates about Creationism/evolution existence/none-existence of god should carry on [elsewhere].


There are too many potential topics to be confined to a single thread. A subforum would be better since then the purpose would be to allow for topics related to Christianity not to be bombarded with "all of you people are fools because you aren't Atheists!! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !!" and as such those type of topics can be relegated to WP's little version of Hell *cough*... I mean PPR.



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09 Feb 2011, 12:22 am

leejosepho wrote:
If you want to try a non-hostile "sticky" for that, I will try to help keep everything "sensible, rational" ...


If it's for conservative Christians then won't it, by definition, by exactly the OPPOSITE of sensible/rational? :)



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09 Feb 2011, 2:23 am

Volodja wrote:
leejosepho wrote:
If you want to try a non-hostile "sticky" for that, I will try to help keep everything "sensible, rational" ...


If it's for conservative Christians then won't it, by definition, by exactly the OPPOSITE of sensible/rational? :)


Depends upon who is doing the defining as to what the definitions are.