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23 Jul 2012, 8:56 am

In light of the new site rules posted here by Tallyman:

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp4793268.html#4793268

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This is a special forum. It is for debating and as such pretty much anything goes provided it stays within the site rules and the following guidelines. It is more or less freedom of speech. It doesn't matter if some people have obnoxious or ill-informed opinions regarding politics, religion or virtually anything else. People can debate and criticize any religion, atheism, political party, public figures etc. Just because some members may belong to a particular religion (or atheism) or political party, does not exclude it from debate. If people want to criticize atheism that is fine. Criticise Islam, Christianity, Buddhism, Paganism, Confucianism, Judaism, Satanism, Scientology etc all fine too.

Could you please read carefully through this thread and reopen it.

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postx204402-0-0.html

The moderator here has launched a personal attack against the OP, accusing him of racism and being a bigot completely unjustifiably and then locked the thread.

The topic was discussing the 'brushing under the carpet' of widespread persecution of a minority group (christians) in a muslim nation (Egypt) which has led to 100,000 christians fleeing the country in fear of their lives since the arab spring.

I'm willing to provide lots of evidence to support the claims being made in the OP's post if it would help.

PS: If these are actually new guidelines for the moderating of PPR, could you please make sure ALL the moderators, (including the ones from Canada) get the memo to avoid any confusion?

PPS: If you can't win a debate with sound argument, using personal attacks and locking threads is incredibly poor form on a debating forum. I thought people with hyperlexia were supposed to be good with words?

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23 Jul 2012, 10:18 am

They aren't new site rules. They are guidelines based on the existing site rules to help members have a clearer understanding of what is and what is not acceptable to post in various forums on the site, but more specifically on the PPR forum. I have no comment to make regarding the thread you mention - I have not been involved with it in any way.

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23 Jul 2012, 10:42 am

Yes, TallyMan, and you completely ignored my response in PM:

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She said my remarks were "racist" and "offensive". I consider them to be neither - Islam isn't a race, and she neatly proves Pat Condell's point very well indeed by not wanting to allow open debate over the persecution of Christians in countries like Syria and Egypt, which has been going on for many, many years but seems to be getting much worse there.

I never called Muslims "nutcases" either. She is lying to "protect" Islam here. I am equally disdainful of Christianity when it gets too big for its boots - I really can't be doing with people proselytising at me when it comes to organised religion. I did notice, though, that she often lets anti-Christian threads run without comment whilst demanding a closure to anti-Islam threads. Speaks volumes from my POV.

I take it that mockery of Christianity is perfectly fine but mockery of Islam, or Judaism, or any other weird belief system is not.

Time to go and have a bath. Must get out and pop to the local farmer's market.

Thanks, Pat. You prove my point again.

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23 Jul 2012, 11:10 am

The persecution of many religions goes on all over the world.
In rural America and poorer parts of the UK, people "deal" with Muslims in the form of assaults, and murder.
Plenty of countries in the Middle East hate the Jews.
In various parts of Africa, Christianity is also persecuted.
Even factions of Christianity attack and murder other factions. Look at Northern Ireland and The South.

It's atrocious, yes. But if I recall correctly your post seemed to be quite specific ant anti-Semitic rather than simply addressing the issue you were putting across. This isn't me being personal against you as I find you quite cool, I just thought I'd say that that's all.

It might be more helpful if the mod that handled the original thread could quote the first OP.

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23 Jul 2012, 12:00 pm

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So what you are saying is that your post is nothing more than your personal opinion and the haphazard, self righteous bullying style of moderating is going to carry on just as before despite it having a far more antagonising effect than a moderating one?

What on earth was the point of updating 'the rules' to add 'clarification' and then mods acting completely differently? It just adds confusion.

PS My apologies for giving you a hard time, I think the information you have provided is very good and helpful, but only if moderators are actually going to stick to it.

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23 Jul 2012, 1:26 pm

I also think that thread should be reopened

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23 Jul 2012, 1:31 pm

DC wrote:

TallyMan wrote:

Or he was just saying that it would be best to wait until the moderator involved gets online and gives their input.

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23 Jul 2012, 1:33 pm

Delphiki wrote:

DC wrote:

TallyMan wrote:

Or he was just saying that it would be best to wait until the moderator involved gets online and gives their input.

My apologies to Tallyman if that is the case.

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23 Jul 2012, 1:49 pm

DC wrote:

Delphiki wrote:

DC wrote:

TallyMan wrote:

Or he was just saying that it would be best to wait until the moderator involved gets online and gives their input.

My apologies to Tallyman if that is the case.

That is indeed the case and thank you.

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23 Jul 2012, 2:15 pm

these specific parts of the initial post were unacceptable:

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People that stupid don't deserve to be free. I guess somewhere down the line they'll just have to go through the whole thing all over again. Only next time I hope they'll be able to resist the urge to gang rape female news reporters in the street, although I wouldn't bet on it.

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I blame the Jews, don't you?

also, the fact that it was intended as a way to deride Islamic PEOPLE and not the religion itself. the original post was bigoted by definition, and the first posters agreed with that even if they thought it was CORRECT bigotry. in addition i recently removed a very similar anti-Christian Pat Condell rant that a member posted.

i would agree it's not exactly racist, true. i will un-bold that part of the post that i locked. but i will bold the other rules it violates, because i wasn't very thorough in my post.

also keep in mind that it violates the Terms of Service to publicly post a PM:

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WrongPlanet.net has a private messaging feature. Messages passed between users should not be
read by anyone other than the sender and the recipient.

and to discuss locked topics on the forum:

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3. Other inappropriate content and behavior prohibited on Wrong Planet:
This also includes discussion of locked topics,

hopefully the new guidelines are helpful. if you would like to keep this thread open, please discuss the new guidelines WITHOUT breaking the rules. thank you.

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23 Jul 2012, 2:36 pm

hyperlexian wrote:

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Referring to the election of the Muslim Brotherhood, and the type of mindset that these parties exemplify to the point that Islamist thugs would consider it OK to gang-rape Western female news reporters in the street.

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I blame the Jews, don't you?

Talk about deliberately misunderstanding Condell's point. If you knew anything about him, you're likely to understand that out of the three main bodies of adherents of Abrahamic religions - Christianity, Islam and Judaism - Condell is the most supportive of Jewish people in the face of constant religious persecution, mainly from Muslims but also from neo-Nazis and others.

It's a sarcastic reference to the often hateful Jew-hating sentiment that is publicly endorsed in that part of the world. Look at the much more hardline stance that the new Islamist government is taking towards Israel.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIesXORjBps[/youtube]

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also, the fact that it was intended as a way to deride Islamic PEOPLE and not the religion itself.

So the activities of those claiming to represent said religion shouldn't be derided and mocked for all they're worth?

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23 Jul 2012, 2:55 pm

once again, Tequila, you have the option to discuss the new site guidelines, but if you continue to break the rules by discussing the locked thread, this thread will be locked. in that event, you have the option of starting a general thread to discuss the guidelines while being careful to NOT break the rules.

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23 Jul 2012, 3:20 pm

hyperlexian claimed I received a PM and then deleted it. I received no such PM in the first place so I couldn't delete a PM I had never received. I received a message from TallyMan that said that I should check her closing response in the thread, but not any from hyperlexian.

More lies as per usual. One mod here clearly doesn't like people disagreeing with her.

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23 Jul 2012, 3:51 pm

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23 Jul 2012, 3:54 pm

TallyMan wrote:

The thing is though Tally, you DID communicate to the PPR forum via that post an interpretation of the rules, and now you have another mod enforcing her own interpretation of the rules in a way that would seem to contradict your post. I think you either need to decide that her view is correct and remove your post, or that your view stands and restore the thread, the ambiguity is clearly not sustainable.

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23 Jul 2012, 4:11 pm

I'm waiting for "Locked - Unapproved Thoughts."

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