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25 Oct 2012, 3:36 pm

In recent months, I've become more and more irritated by the negative attitudes towards Autistism displayed on this site. When I first joined, there seemed to be an equal amount of pro-cure and anti-cure members, but there has been a noticeable shift in the balance of power on WP over these past few months and it's very concerning to me.

There are still some great people here, such as Sweetleaf, CockneyRebel, thomas81 and (as far as I'm aware) all of the moderators, but I just can't tolerate all of this UNNECESSARY negativity anymore.

I mean, some people here think that AS is worse than Schizofrenia and Cancer. CANCER?! These people have clearly lost touch with reality.

Recently, I've seen:

* A rapid increase in horrible pro-cure posts

* Some idiot claim that Autistics aren't "worthwhile" members of society

* The same brain-dead b***h insinuate that we Autistics aren't human beings

Has this forum become predominantly pro-cure now? To be clear, I don't care about whether or not Alex has released an official statement on the matter, I want to know if the majority of WP's users are pro-cure. People have told me that debate is healthy, but I refuse to degrade myself by interacting with those who seek to murder my sister, my friends and I. Yeah ... murder. That's what it is.

I don't know if this is the right place to post this, but I'd like to speak to some of the users who actually have some self-respect, before deciding whether I should leave permanently or not.


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25 Oct 2012, 3:44 pm

You don't need to leave. It is okay to disagree with some people. Personally, I don't think that a cure for Autism is the right direction for charities to be going in. I believe that working towards helping people who are here is a better idea than trying to eradicate Autism entirely through genetic research. Research is important for people to learn, but developing a prenatal test for non-severely disabling Autism should not be a priority.



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25 Oct 2012, 3:58 pm

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You don't need to leave. It is okay to disagree with some people. Personally, I don't think that a cure for Autism is the right direction for charities to be going in. I believe that working towards helping people who are here is a better idea than trying to eradicate Autism entirely through genetic research. Research is important for people to learn, but developing a prenatal test for non-severely disabling Autism should not be a priority.


I know that I'm not required to leave but I'm sick and tired of reading insulting, self-pitying comments and bearing the brunt of self-loathing pessimists with nothing better to do than ask "WHY MEEEEEE?!"

To say that AS is worse than any form of Cancer is ridiculously insulting to self-respecting Aspies, and even more so to people with Cancer.

I can hardly ever have a positive, productive discussion here anymore, and because of this, I'm left depressed after posting here more often than not.


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25 Oct 2012, 4:41 pm

I have noticed a similar phenomenon with myself, that's why I was off of wrongplanet for a while.



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25 Oct 2012, 4:55 pm

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I have noticed a similar phenomenon with myself, that's why I was off of wrongplanet for a while.


I've been off Wrong Planet too. I've been using Aspies For Freedom recently, and they've been much more accepting of me. I don't think it's unreasonable to be treated with dignity.


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25 Oct 2012, 5:37 pm

Huh. That's interesting. I made an account there a while back, but I haven't really used it. Maybe I should. Their beliefs seem a bit more in line with mine own.



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25 Oct 2012, 6:31 pm

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I'm sick and tired of reading insulting, self-pitying comments and bearing the brunt of self-loathing pessimists with nothing better to do than ask "WHY MEEEEEE?!"


Yeah, there are few of these people on WP. Their biggest problems in life does seem to be their self-loathing attitude and projection of their own bizarro perceptions onto eberryone else, as if there is something deeply wrong with others for being autistic and being OK with that.

They also seem to wanna speak for those poor unfortunate lower-functioning folks whom they assume all share their self-loathing attitudes and bizarro perceptions and therefore must all wanna cure.



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25 Oct 2012, 7:42 pm

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They also seem to wanna speak for those poor unfortunate lower-functioning folks whom they assume all share their self-loathing attitudes and bizarro perceptions and therefore must all wanna cure.


Good point. I've been planning to bring this up for a while now. I am fortunate enough to know many lower functioning Autistics, as my sister and her friends from school are lower functioning. In a recent debate on WP about whether or not I should want my sister to be "cured", my rival claimed that she would want her intellectual deficit cured, but in all honesty, she couldn't care less. Nor could any of the fantastic lower functioning people I've met.

An especially sad fact is that, although the high-functioning complain about being misrepresented by Autism Sneaks, they even misrepresent the low-functioning! They represent the low-functioning as being mindless, soulless zombie children, devoid of all emotion, screaming eternally, and existing purely to destroy any semblance of happiness in their mothers. The fact is that just as the low-functioning are a minority in our group as a whole, the "stuck in their own little world" Autistics are a minority in the low-functioning's sub-group.

Some of the disagreeable members I describe also seem confused about what constitutes as being lower functioning. For example, some Aspies claim that they "are on the low-functioning end of the spectrum" when by definition, they are not.

BTW, the cat in your avatar looks very similar to my cat!


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26 Oct 2012, 3:20 am

Curiotical wrote:
In recent months, I've become more and more irritated by the negative attitudes towards Autistism displayed on this site. When I first joined, there seemed to be an equal amount of pro-cure and anti-cure members, but there has been a noticeable shift in the balance of power on WP over these past few months and it's very concerning to me.

There are still some great people here, such as Sweetleaf, CockneyRebel, thomas81 and (as far as I'm aware) all of the moderators, but I just can't tolerate all of this UNNECESSARY negativity anymore.

I mean, some people here think that AS is worse than Schizofrenia and Cancer. CANCER?! These people have clearly lost touch with reality.

Recently, I've seen:

* A rapid increase in horrible pro-cure posts

* Some idiot claim that Autistics aren't "worthwhile" members of society

* The same brain-dead witch insinuate that we Autistics aren't human beings

Has this forum become predominantly pro-cure now? To be clear, I don't care about whether or not Alex has released an official statement on the matter, I want to know if the majority of WP's users are pro-cure. People have told me that debate is healthy, but I refuse to degrade myself by interacting with those who seek to murder my sister, my friends and I. Yeah ... murder. That's what it is.

I don't know if this is the right place to post this, but I'd like to speak to some of the users who actually have some self-respect, before deciding whether I should leave permanently or not.


Hmm, I haven't been posting in the Autism Politics section for a while now but those sorts of people have been trickling on to this forum for a couple of years. When I joined, most members were anti-cure, and I'm still anti-cure as I've ever been. That of course doesn't mean I don't think those lower down on the should get help, of course they should.



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26 Oct 2012, 6:50 am

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Curiotical wrote:
In recent months, I've become more and more irritated by the negative attitudes towards Autistism displayed on this site. When I first joined, there seemed to be an equal amount of pro-cure and anti-cure members, but there has been a noticeable shift in the balance of power on WP over these past few months and it's very concerning to me.

There are still some great people here, such as Sweetleaf, CockneyRebel, thomas81 and (as far as I'm aware) all of the moderators, but I just can't tolerate all of this UNNECESSARY negativity anymore.

I mean, some people here think that AS is worse than Schizofrenia and Cancer. CANCER?! These people have clearly lost touch with reality.

Recently, I've seen:

* A rapid increase in horrible pro-cure posts

* Some idiot claim that Autistics aren't "worthwhile" members of society

* The same brain-dead witch insinuate that we Autistics aren't human beings

Has this forum become predominantly pro-cure now? To be clear, I don't care about whether or not Alex has released an official statement on the matter, I want to know if the majority of WP's users are pro-cure. People have told me that debate is healthy, but I refuse to degrade myself by interacting with those who seek to murder my sister, my friends and I. Yeah ... murder. That's what it is.

I don't know if this is the right place to post this, but I'd like to speak to some of the users who actually have some self-respect, before deciding whether I should leave permanently or not.


Hmm, I haven't been posting in the Autism Politics section for a while now but those sorts of people have been trickling on to this forum for a couple of years. When I joined, most members were anti-cure, and I'm still anti-cure as I've ever been. That of course doesn't mean I don't think those lower down on the should get help, of course they should.


This isn't only in the Autism politics forum, it seems to be widespread throughout the site.

Yes, they should get HELP, such as speech therapy and independence training, but a "cure" wouldn't be of any help to them, it would erase their personalities and replace them with a more "normal" person instead.


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26 Oct 2012, 11:21 am

Curiotical wrote:
In recent months, I've become more and more irritated by the negative attitudes towards Autistism displayed on this site. When I first joined, there seemed to be an equal amount of pro-cure and anti-cure members, but there has been a noticeable shift in the balance of power on WP over these past few months and it's very concerning to me.

There are still some great people here, such as Sweetleaf, CockneyRebel, thomas81 and (as far as I'm aware) all of the moderators, but I just can't tolerate all of this UNNECESSARY negativity anymore.

I mean, some people here think that AS is worse than Schizofrenia and Cancer. CANCER?! These people have clearly lost touch with reality.

Recently, I've seen:

* A rapid increase in horrible pro-cure posts

* Some idiot claim that Autistics aren't "worthwhile" members of society

* The same brain-dead witch insinuate that we Autistics aren't human beings

Has this forum become predominantly pro-cure now? To be clear, I don't care about whether or not Alex has released an official statement on the matter, I want to know if the majority of WP's users are pro-cure. People have told me that debate is healthy, but I refuse to degrade myself by interacting with those who seek to murder my sister, my friends and I. Yeah ... murder. That's what it is.

I don't know if this is the right place to post this, but I'd like to speak to some of the users who actually have some self-respect, before deciding whether I should leave permanently or not.

For some reason the question asked how you were socially understood and status in society. I interpreted the remarks as cancer is more understood in society and people will still treat you better if you have cancer not that they would rather have cancer than AS.



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26 Oct 2012, 12:44 pm

I don't think that Alex would or should say that your membership here requires you to be of any certain opinion on anything.

I'd like a cure. I'd like something to help me figure things out faster than I do sometimes. I would love it if there had been a cure (and a dx) back when I was a kid. It would have made things so much easier for me. That doesn't mean better, better is subjective, but it would have been easier in many situations.

And yes, if I had an autistic child, and a cure was available, I would get it for them. My youngest son is completely deaf in one ear from birth. Medicaid will not pay for a cochlear implant so he can hear in that ear and by the time my MIL offered to pay for it he was old enough where his opinion was something we took into consideration too. He doesn't want it. Not out of any "I'm so proud to be deaf in one ear!! !" philosophy, but because he said things will be too loud if he gets it. He will also have trouble sleeping because he lays on his good ear to fall asleep. So, it's his choice. He can get it whenever he wants it, if he ever does. There is no window of opportunity for that. If he were completely deaf, I would have gotten him at least one, no matter what he wanted, with the option of removing it later if he wanted that.


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26 Oct 2012, 12:51 pm

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I know that I'm not required to leave but I'm sick and tired of reading insulting, self-pitying comments and bearing the brunt of self-loathing pessimists with nothing better to do than ask "WHY MEEEEEE?!"

Then stay out of "The Haven".


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26 Oct 2012, 11:57 pm

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CANCER?!


You can be cured of Cancer. Autism, and similarly Asperger's stays with you for life.

Oh, hang on, You're PRO-cure, aren't you.

Let me make this straight, I'm on the spectrum, Maybe not by much, But I am. The significance of the fact is that I really don't think that evasive brain surgery is going to help my cause. I happen to like my Rail-and-computer-obcessed life.

Of course, There are people that want to be normal so bad, that it blinds them of the reality and what is right in front of them. I was like this for a while, After I had a number of largeish problems which resilted in Police action against another student in the school (And no, We did not "hit" each other).

I may not contribute here often. But when I do, It's because I am really peeved at people.

Maybe you, Curiotical should think of that.


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28 Oct 2012, 2:49 pm

I think that some of the high-functioning people who want a cure are the ones with the mildest autistic traits and the most neurotypical traits. For eggsample, they seem to have the neurotypical traits of wanting to fit into groups and wanting to be "normal" and wanting to be accepted and wanting to socialize, but they lack the neurotypical skills to do so, since they also have autistic traits causing some social deficits. So they are stuck in this wanna but can't area of the spectrum, so they wanna a cure for themselves, so they get all the way to the desired "normal". For autistic people lacking these neurotypical traits and having greater autistic traits that make it impossible for them to know what other people are thinking about them or who likes them or who dislikes them or whether or not they fit into a group, they don't care that they are not neurotypical, and they don't see anything wrong with themselves for not being "normal", so they don't wanna a cure.

Maybe this is also why some of these people think of those poor unfortuate lower-functioning folks as soulless mindless zombie children. Because they can't relate to them at all, so they spew the same Autism Speaks krap that most NTs do.



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28 Oct 2012, 7:22 pm

I think things are closer to the middle of the road than the OP paints it, I do tend to drift away when things get more negative here in the manner described.

There's nothing to be done to control who can express these views, however, nor should there be. Online communities tend to have a certain level of churn, or new people coming in and other people leaving temporarily or permanently, and this changes the kinds of discussion over time. They'll probably swing back to a balance the OP is more comfortable with.

I do get tired of people speaking for others whom they often define so that said others cannot speak for themselves. I have seen low functioning defined as people who can in no way communicate, and thus require the advocacy of people here who make assumptions about their needs and wants. That is, the definition of "low functioning" constantly gets shifted so no one who qualifies as "low functioning" could ever participate in an actual discussion about their own needs.