NT's an exception to attacking/stereotyping groups?

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26 Apr 2018, 6:29 pm

Seems that way.

I understand that all of us have been harmed by NT's be it because of misunderstanding of us and bullying. I understand that some members have been harmed by NT's because of their Autism or Autistic traits at nearly every stage of their life every day be it at home, at school, at work, or randomly attacked on the street because they seemed like an inviting and easy target.

Because of the above should an exception be made to allow people to vent in this way even if it means nice NT's that come here feel stigmatized or will have negative stereotypes about us formed or validated?

This issue has been allowed to fester for years. Time to make a concrete policy and enforce it consistently.


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26 Apr 2018, 6:37 pm

Then wouldn't we have to allow attacking of all groups, because people could feel like they've been attacked all their lives by other groups (men, white people, etc.)? I don't think it's NTs that are responsible for the misunderstanding and bullying of autistics. It's bigoted and uncaring people, whether they have mental disorders or not.



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26 Apr 2018, 6:56 pm

TheAP wrote:
Then wouldn't we have to allow attacking of all groups, because people could feel like they've been attacked all their lives by other groups (men, white people, etc.)? I don't think it's NTs that are responsible for the misunderstanding and bullying of autistics. It's bigoted and uncaring people, whether they have mental disorders or not.


I agree generally, but a better analogy would be allowing stereotyping of whites on a black victims of hate crimes forum. NT's are going to be the vast majority of people harming us because of they are the vast majority of people. Also that is why harm from misunderstanding despite good intent is a big problem.


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28 Apr 2018, 6:28 am

I am both bisexual and brown-skinned living in a Western European country. In POC crowds, I've experienced homophobia, in majority-white crowds I've encountered racism. I wouldn't want to be even slightly responsible for making someone feel 'othered' or outcast.

If someone vents their frustration on all non-autistics when it's individuals who are the culprit, then they are acting out of ignorance just as much as their abusers.


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28 Apr 2018, 10:39 am

ASPartOfMe wrote:
I agree generally, but a better analogy would be allowing stereotyping of whites on a black victims of hate crimes forum.


Then why not allow stereotyping of blacks on a white-victims-of-hate-crimes forum? Or do you define hate crime in a way explicitly tailored so the victim can't be white?


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28 Apr 2018, 11:26 am

Spiderpig wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
I agree generally, but a better analogy would be allowing stereotyping of whites on a black victims of hate crimes forum.


Then why not allow stereotyping of blacks on a white-victims-of-hate-crimes forum? Or do you define hate crime in a way explicitly tailored so the victim can't be white?

The allowing stereotyping of blacks on a white victim of hate crimes board is just as good as an anology. The analogy is good for any “space” for a victimised group.

But what happens in other places is not the concern of my OP. I am just requesting a decision be made that will be enforced about stereotyping of NT’s on wrong planet.


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28 Apr 2018, 2:50 pm

If there is an exception made for one group (be it positive or negative discrimination), it can create a biased environment. I think people should have the opportunity to discuss specific instances or observed trends and analyse them, it would be more constructive than cognitive stereotyping of outgroups and reaffirming prejudice.



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28 Apr 2018, 5:45 pm

Attacking an opinion, belief or philosophy is acceptable


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28 Apr 2018, 6:31 pm

Are you saying being NT is a philosophy?



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28 Apr 2018, 7:00 pm

TheAP wrote:
Are you saying being NT is a philosophy?


That's my take on it , it's a theory isn't it ?


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28 Apr 2018, 11:21 pm

I do hate the stereotypes about NTs here. I also hate it when autistics call NTs stupid. I don't bash NTs here. The majority of the people in my life are NTs. I was brought up by NTs and loved by NTs. And I love them too.


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30 Apr 2018, 1:21 am

Personally I don't categorize people. Either they are nice or not. Having been around so many autistic people my whole life, the problems I have with other people has been just that, other people.



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30 Apr 2018, 3:40 am

ASPartOfMe wrote:
Seems that way.

I understand that all of us have been harmed by NT's be it because of misunderstanding of us and bullying. I understand that some members have been harmed by NT's because of their Autism or Autistic traits at nearly every stage of their life every day be it at home, at school, at work, or randomly attacked on the street because they seemed like an inviting and easy target.

Because of the above should an exception be made to allow people to vent in this way even if it means nice NT's that come here feel stigmatized or will have negative stereotypes about us formed or validated?

This issue has been allowed to fester for years. Time to make a concrete policy and enforce it consistently.



Ive experienced bullying but its not like people specifically knew I was on the spectrum and targeted me for that reason. Also, I cannot say I have really been randomly attacked on the street, in fact i cannot think of any time that ever happened. Granted sometimes I do feel a little vulnerable but still nothing has happened...I mean I think maybe just in cause it may not be a bad idea to carry some kind of means of self defense.

I've thought of trying to get a spray container that can shoot a stream and just make a terrible brew of spicy peppers I could spray into the eyes of a potential attacker. I suppose I could buy pepper spray but if I made something myself I could maybe make an even worse eye burning spray. I could add garlic, cloves, tea tree oil, maybe some salt...just all manner of things that might sting and/or burn the eyes. At least that is my idea, I don't really want a gun so eye burning seems good, just have to figure out a discreet yet effective container :twisted:


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30 Apr 2018, 7:17 am

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ASPartOfMe wrote:
Seems that way.

I understand that all of us have been harmed by NT's be it because of misunderstanding of us and bullying. I understand that some members have been harmed by NT's because of their Autism or Autistic traits at nearly every stage of their life every day be it at home, at school, at work, or randomly attacked on the street because they seemed like an inviting and easy target.

Because of the above should an exception be made to allow people to vent in this way even if it means nice NT's that come here feel stigmatized or will have negative stereotypes about us formed or validated?

This issue has been allowed to fester for years. Time to make a concrete policy and enforce it consistently.



Ive experienced bullying but its not like people specifically knew I was on the spectrum and targeted me for that reason. Also, I cannot say I have really been randomly attacked on the street, in fact i cannot think of any time that ever happened. Granted sometimes I do feel a little vulnerable but still nothing has happened...I mean I think maybe just in cause it may not be a bad idea to carry some kind of means of self defense.

I've thought of trying to get a spray container that can shoot a stream and just make a terrible brew of spicy peppers I could spray into the eyes of a potential attacker. I suppose I could buy pepper spray but if I made something myself I could maybe make an even worse eye burning spray. I could add garlic, cloves, tea tree oil, maybe some salt...just all manner of things that might sting and/or burn the eyes. At least that is my idea, I don't really want a gun so eye burning seems good, just have to figure out a discreet yet effective container :twisted:


I have been hit on the back of the head and knocked out cold resulting in a broken arm, mugged a couple of times, and had occasional object including full beer bottles thrown at me from passing cars all random attacks. Of couse they had know way of knowing I was autistic. Was it because of my Autistic traits or just part of living in New York? None of my bullies had any way of knowing I was autistic back in the 60’s and 70’s. Was it my traits, being short, being Jewish in a non Jewish neighboorhood or all of them?

I don’t say all NT’s, goyim or average to tall people are bullies because I have met wonderful people from those groups.


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