Is 23 years old too old to go back to college and.....

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22 Aug 2010, 12:54 pm

23 is DEFINITELY not too old!! I took a college class this summer at a state university, and there were a LOT of people in there that were my parents' age and older! (I.e. approximately 50.) I agree with the person who said that you should not wait to go back ... and especially if you have an idea of what you want, you should go for it!



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22 Aug 2010, 2:54 pm

23 is not too old.

I started collegue this year and i met a wonderfull classmate who was 45, she was finishing the degree but she had some first year subjects still.

During the first weeks I found it wierd, once I got through that phase I realized she sat on her own at class so I started sitting next to her and got to know her better.

Some of my classmates ask me from time to time whats the deal with her(being that age and in some first grade classes but most of them they dont care for her).



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22 Aug 2010, 6:12 pm

FWIW, there's no such thing as being too old to go to college or university, but the better question is what you are hoping to gain from it.

If you think degree will lead to a good job (or better job) there is a lot more to it than that.

If you are going just for self-enrichment, then there's no such thing as being too old...as long as you can afford it.



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22 Aug 2010, 9:26 pm

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It baffles me how people still think this... College has to be the most mind-numbing, intellectually stuffy, "think inside the box" place I have ever been subjected to (2nd only to K-12 education :lol: ). You're never encouraged to challenge the status quo, or express your own opinion. Actually, often the case is that you'll be mocked/ridiculed/given a bad grade if you dare go against the glorious, Democrat-voting (yes, a vast majority are Democrat), holier-and-better-than-thou professor.

Education quality is pretty poor. Professors are researchers, not teachers, so most of them don't give a crap about you. I'm an Econ major, and all I've learned about are impractical (and some BS in my opinion) theories that have no bearing on the real world. That's not worth the $15K of debt I've gotten so far.

Here's an article I found: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 00701.html
The highlights from it:
- Only 31% of college graduates can read a complex book and extrapolate from it.
- Many college grads are too dumb to even comprehend a table of data (such as a side-by-side of blood pressure and exercise)
- Only 31% of college grads can even comprehend information from short texts

So not only is college terrible for getting you a job, it can't even educate correctly...


Yup, I was right. College really is the greatest financial scam ever created!! 8)



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22 Aug 2010, 9:39 pm

Cyanide wrote:
It baffles me how people still think this... College has to be the most mind-numbing, intellectually stuffy, "think inside the box" place I have ever been subjected to (2nd only to K-12 education :lol: ). You're never encouraged to challenge the status quo, or express your own opinion. Actually, often the case is that you'll be mocked/ridiculed/given a bad grade if you dare go against the glorious, Democrat-voting (yes, a vast majority are Democrat), holier-and-better-than-thou professor.

Education quality is pretty poor. Professors are researchers, not teachers, so most of them don't give a crap about you. I'm an Econ major, and all I've learned about are impractical (and some BS in my opinion) theories that have no bearing on the real world. That's not worth the $15K of debt I've gotten so far.

Here's an article I found: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 00701.html
The highlights from it:
- Only 31% of college graduates can read a complex book and extrapolate from it.
- Many college grads are too dumb to even comprehend a table of data (such as a side-by-side of blood pressure and exercise)
- Only 31% of college grads can even comprehend information from short texts

So not only is college terrible for getting you a job, it can't even educate correctly...

what the heck college did you go to?

i went to a canadian university. maybe we have more open-minded and progressive teachings there? or maybe it matters what facvulty you go through?

it is worth keeping in mind that post-secondary education cannot perform miracles. if you are closed-minded in-the-box thinker,college cannot *make* you change your attitude. and just because some people come out the other end just as stupid as they came in... doesn't mean that the rest of the people didn't benefit. you get out of it whatever you put into it.


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22 Aug 2010, 10:08 pm

hyperlexian wrote:
...i work in a lower-level job that doesn't even require any education beyond high school....but i would never regret the experience i got from uni.


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...this is about your life, not just your career, and education has intrinsic value, whether you see it now or not.


Yes and yes. I think that the best reason to go to college is because you WANT to learn. Compulsory education ends after 12th grade--then, it's up to you.

People who go because they think it will help them get a better job, but don't really want to be there, are completely missing the point, IMO.

Like I said before, it's never "too late" to go back because it's never "too late" to learn things.


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23 Aug 2010, 8:27 am

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Cyanide wrote:
It baffles me how people still think this... College has to be the most mind-numbing, intellectually stuffy, "think inside the box" place I have ever been subjected to (2nd only to K-12 education :lol: ). You're never encouraged to challenge the status quo, or express your own opinion. Actually, often the case is that you'll be mocked/ridiculed/given a bad grade if you dare go against the glorious, Democrat-voting (yes, a vast majority are Democrat), holier-and-better-than-thou professor.

Education quality is pretty poor. Professors are researchers, not teachers, so most of them don't give a crap about you. I'm an Econ major, and all I've learned about are impractical (and some BS in my opinion) theories that have no bearing on the real world. That's not worth the $15K of debt I've gotten so far.

Here's an article I found: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 00701.html
The highlights from it:
- Only 31% of college graduates can read a complex book and extrapolate from it.
- Many college grads are too dumb to even comprehend a table of data (such as a side-by-side of blood pressure and exercise)
- Only 31% of college grads can even comprehend information from short texts

So not only is college terrible for getting you a job, it can't even educate correctly...

what the heck college did you go to?

i went to a canadian university. maybe we have more open-minded and progressive teachings there? or maybe it matters what facvulty you go through?

it is worth keeping in mind that post-secondary education cannot perform miracles. if you are closed-minded in-the-box thinker,college cannot *make* you change your attitude. and just because some people come out the other end just as stupid as they came in... doesn't mean that the rest of the people didn't benefit. you get out of it whatever you put into it.


W O R D !

No amount of education can cure stupid or lazy. 99% of life is what you make of it. If your life sucks, well...

:lol:


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23 Aug 2010, 11:32 am

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Yup, I was right. College really is the greatest financial scam ever created!! 8)


Absolutely.

1. Many colleges teach to an agenda. I've see them promote ideas that have no foundation in truth because it's the ideology they subscribe to.

2. Most college degrees are in skills you can easily learn on the job in a fraction of the time. However, they've got enough college graduates in the hiring jobs to push the illusory "need" for a degree to do most any job.

3. This creates a self-perpetuating need for a pointless degree that teaches you very little (in most cases) but without which you won't get into most jobs.

Nothing dumber than the ignorant personnel director who suggests you go back to school to "get another degree." Have a clue about what college education costs? I'm still trying to pay one off. I can't afford a second degree program.



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23 Aug 2010, 12:09 pm

Erm, ok, there's a lot of ideas out there about what colleges are, and are not.

As for your question; No way baby! 23 is an awesome age to go back to school.

In fact, I went to college when I was 23 too! Studied Engineering and loved it.

College isn't just about getting the 'socially conformed' - whatever - piece of paper. Going to school shows that you are able to dedicate yourself to something for a period of time until that 'something' is complete.

College is a whole bunch of different learning opportunities regards your life, and the education part is just one small part of that.

If you want to go, then go!

Good luck and enjoy yourself!



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23 Aug 2010, 1:30 pm

You're never too old, to pursue your dreams. :)


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23 Aug 2010, 7:59 pm

hyperlexian wrote:
what the heck college did you go to?

i went to a canadian university. maybe we have more open-minded and progressive teachings there? or maybe it matters what facvulty you go through?

it is worth keeping in mind that post-secondary education cannot perform miracles. if you are closed-minded in-the-box thinker,college cannot *make* you change your attitude. and just because some people come out the other end just as stupid as they came in... doesn't mean that the rest of the people didn't benefit. you get out of it whatever you put into it.

I've been to 2 state universities here in the US. I've never been in a class where you've been encouraged to give dissenting opinions. I'm 100% sure that there's at least one person in a lecture of 300 that disagrees with the professor's politics. Since the professor doesn't ask, and nobody speaks up, it's pretty obvious that there's a negative climate for differing opinions.

I've also seen politics brought into the weirdest places... like an Astronomy class. I'm not kidding. I also remember when I took this Asian American Studies class for some Gen Ed requirement, and the prof said that everyone hated Yoko Ono because she was Asian. I almost burst out laughing. There's only so much useful info you can get out of someone who hasn't been outside of the classroom...

Also, you have to admit that those statistics are pretty awful. The vast majority of people coming out of college can't even tie their own metaphorical shoes. If college grads don't even have basic life skills, why are they even allowed to graduate from college in the first place?...



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23 Aug 2010, 8:01 pm

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Cyanide wrote:
It baffles me how people still think this... College has to be the most mind-numbing, intellectually stuffy, "think inside the box" place I have ever been subjected to (2nd only to K-12 education :lol: ). You're never encouraged to challenge the status quo, or express your own opinion. Actually, often the case is that you'll be mocked/ridiculed/given a bad grade if you dare go against the glorious, Democrat-voting (yes, a vast majority are Democrat), holier-and-better-than-thou professor.

Education quality is pretty poor. Professors are researchers, not teachers, so most of them don't give a crap about you. I'm an Econ major, and all I've learned about are impractical (and some BS in my opinion) theories that have no bearing on the real world. That's not worth the $15K of debt I've gotten so far.

Here's an article I found: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 00701.html
The highlights from it:
- Only 31% of college graduates can read a complex book and extrapolate from it.
- Many college grads are too dumb to even comprehend a table of data (such as a side-by-side of blood pressure and exercise)
- Only 31% of college grads can even comprehend information from short texts

So not only is college terrible for getting you a job, it can't even educate correctly...

what the heck college did you go to?

i went to a canadian university. maybe we have more open-minded and progressive teachings there? or maybe it matters what facvulty you go through?

it is worth keeping in mind that post-secondary education cannot perform miracles. if you are closed-minded in-the-box thinker,college cannot *make* you change your attitude. and just because some people come out the other end just as stupid as they came in... doesn't mean that the rest of the people didn't benefit. you get out of it whatever you put into it.


I heartily agree....btw....I also go to a Canadian University.........just saying.........



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23 Aug 2010, 8:19 pm

Cyanide wrote:
I've been to 2 state universities here in the US. I've never been in a class where you've been encouraged to give dissenting opinions. I'm 100% sure that there's at least one person in a lecture of 300 that disagrees with the professor's politics. Since the professor doesn't ask, and nobody speaks up, it's pretty obvious that there's a negative climate for differing opinions.

If all your classes have 300 people, I can see why that would make sense. Even if the only questions were reasonable, 300 people could come up with a lot of distractions.

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I've also seen politics brought into the weirdest places... like an Astronomy class. I'm not kidding.

That's pretty sad. It would be pretty hard to relate politics on a small planet orbiting a rather normal star to, say, a gas cloud in the next galaxy, which has long since ceased to exist and is so far away that its light is only now reaching us.

I have to say that I was thoroughly impressed by my Astronomy teacher.


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