How I can relate to those who commit shootings in schools
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Canaspie wrote:
If the OP truly desires to do this to the point where suppressing it would lead to acting on it and shooting people, then it's well beyond insensitive. While I get that the OP may be frustrated, this is not the kind of statement to be taken lightly.
I think the point was the OP can see how someone could go over the edge and commit a mass shooting.....not that they themselves actually want to do so. If they were actually threatening to do something then I'd be concerned but saying you can relate to why someone else did something like that is not the same thing as threatening to do it.
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Sweetleaf wrote:
Canaspie wrote:
If the OP truly desires to do this to the point where suppressing it would lead to acting on it and shooting people, then it's well beyond insensitive. While I get that the OP may be frustrated, this is not the kind of statement to be taken lightly.
I think the point was the OP can see how someone could go over the edge and commit a mass shooting.....not that they themselves actually want to do so. If they were actually threatening to do something then I'd be concerned but saying you can relate to why someone else did something like that is not the same thing as threatening to do it.
I fully agree with you that the OP isn't actually threatening to do it. That's exactly my point and why I'm calling it insensitive. It's a comparison made in extremely poor taste that is insensitive and disrespectful to those impacted by these kinds of shootings.
Not to mention the fact that if the wrong person heard the OP say that, it wouldn't matter what they meant by it. I know for a fact that if a teacher were to hear a student say something like this, they would be legally obligated to report it, and that could lead to major trouble.
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Canaspie wrote:
I fully agree with you that the OP isn't actually threatening to do it. That's exactly my point and why I'm calling it insensitive. It's a comparison made in extremely poor taste that is insensitive and disrespectful to those impacted by these kinds of shootings.
Not to mention the fact that if the wrong person heard the OP say that, it wouldn't matter what they meant by it. I know for a fact that if a teacher were to hear a student say something like this, they would be legally obligated to report it, and that could lead to major trouble.
Not to mention the fact that if the wrong person heard the OP say that, it wouldn't matter what they meant by it. I know for a fact that if a teacher were to hear a student say something like this, they would be legally obligated to report it, and that could lead to major trouble.
I don't see how pinning someone as a threat for being able to relate to some of the motivations that have lead to people committing mass shootings or understanding how someone who normally wouldn't do such a thing could lose it and do so would help anything. Especially considering alienation and being singled out aren't exactly uncommon factors in these sorts of things.
I've had a similar event at my highschool in which a student was killed, it wasn't a student and the guy was killed so no one really knows what the motivation was or why he chose that school. But I don't really see how this post id disrespectful or insensitive.
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Sweetleaf wrote:
Canaspie wrote:
I fully agree with you that the OP isn't actually threatening to do it. That's exactly my point and why I'm calling it insensitive. It's a comparison made in extremely poor taste that is insensitive and disrespectful to those impacted by these kinds of shootings.
Not to mention the fact that if the wrong person heard the OP say that, it wouldn't matter what they meant by it. I know for a fact that if a teacher were to hear a student say something like this, they would be legally obligated to report it, and that could lead to major trouble.
Not to mention the fact that if the wrong person heard the OP say that, it wouldn't matter what they meant by it. I know for a fact that if a teacher were to hear a student say something like this, they would be legally obligated to report it, and that could lead to major trouble.
I don't see how pinning someone as a threat for being able to relate to some of the motivations that have lead to people committing mass shootings or understanding how someone who normally wouldn't do such a thing could lose it and do so would help anything. Especially considering alienation and being singled out aren't exactly uncommon factors in these sorts of things.
I've had a similar event at my highschool in which a student was killed, it wasn't a student and the guy was killed so no one really knows what the motivation was or why he chose that school. But I don't really see how this post id disrespectful or insensitive.
I didn't say pinning someone as a threat would help things. I just said that's what would happen. Schools are very wary of these things. If they heard something like this, did nothing, and then a shooting actually did occur, things would go insane in a hurry. Potential for lawsuits, firings, and maybe even charges. Not to mention the simple mentality of preferring to be safe rather than sorry.
I agree that there is nothing wrong with being able to relate to it, or being able to understand how someone could lose it. I myself can understand the factors that might lead someone to that point. That part is completely fine. Where it strays over the line is the part where he says "Mind you, as other students wouldn't technically be at fault I'd try to just shoot the exploitative 'tutors'" Once he starts saying that these are the people he wants to shoot, and he'd target him, and all just because they want him to take this course...that's where, in my opinion, it strays over the line.
Being able to relate to the feelings is fine. Talking about wanting to carry it himself, and talking about who he'd be specifically targeting is not.
I used to feel 'empathy' towards school shooters when I was in junior high, going through a lot of bullying and just in-general awful stuff. However, having gotten past that, i don't think these thoughts/feelings were anything more than a cry for help.
just personal opinion/experience on this
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HTiger wrote:
I used to feel 'empathy' towards school shooters when I was in junior high, going through a lot of bullying and just in-general awful stuff. However, having gotten past that, i don't think these thoughts/feelings were anything more than a cry for help.
just personal opinion/experience on this
just personal opinion/experience on this
Did you mention it to people? otherwise I am not sure if it could classify as a cry for help...though the way I see it if something is a cry for help that indicates the individual is really struggling and not sure where to turn, it can happen to anyone.
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