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18 Jan 2013, 11:20 pm

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I don't have a problem with the day or the man or any of that.. but I don't know if he'd personally condone the idea of FORCING people to do something they didn't want to do in some ham-handed way of honouring him. I could be wrong on that.. But what good is my going and standing around and washing my hands 200 times to get the dirt off of them going to do to promote his legacy?

The thing is, I feel that if the government was doing it's job properly we wouldn't need community service or charities..

So, I assume then that you're also in favour of massive tax increases, since the government would a) need to buy the actual materials and b) pay a bunch of people to do work. Nothing comes free. It's fine to say that the government should step up and do more - as long as you're personally willing to pay for it through taxes. In your case, you're using it as a cop-out to absolve you have any responsibility.

By the way, if you wouldn't take any job that would consider volunteering to be a nice addition, I hope you really like unemployment. I don't think I can think of any job in any field, anywhere, that wouldn't, between two otherwise identical candidates, pick the one that's done a bunch of volunteering.



And I wouldn't want to work for any company that expects me to work for free. I mean I've done that whole thing in Retail of "Working off the clock" and I have decided not to do that again. You can give as much of your time as you want to to whatever scams I mean charities that you want too.. but I don't work for free.. or under duress.

You also need to get your head out of your a**, seriously. The world doesn't revolve around you. There are MILLIONS of people less fortunate than you, and all your school is making you do is HELP them. They're not making you donate to charity or anything. God, you're bloody self-centred.



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18 Jan 2013, 11:30 pm

cammyyy wrote:
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I don't have a problem with the day or the man or any of that.. but I don't know if he'd personally condone the idea of FORCING people to do something they didn't want to do in some ham-handed way of honouring him. I could be wrong on that.. But what good is my going and standing around and washing my hands 200 times to get the dirt off of them going to do to promote his legacy?

The thing is, I feel that if the government was doing it's job properly we wouldn't need community service or charities..

So, I assume then that you're also in favour of massive tax increases, since the government would a) need to buy the actual materials and b) pay a bunch of people to do work. Nothing comes free. It's fine to say that the government should step up and do more - as long as you're personally willing to pay for it through taxes. In your case, you're using it as a cop-out to absolve you have any responsibility.

By the way, if you wouldn't take any job that would consider volunteering to be a nice addition, I hope you really like unemployment. I don't think I can think of any job in any field, anywhere, that wouldn't, between two otherwise identical candidates, pick the one that's done a bunch of volunteering.



And I wouldn't want to work for any company that expects me to work for free. I mean I've done that whole thing in Retail of "Working off the clock" and I have decided not to do that again. You can give as much of your time as you want to to whatever scams I mean charities that you want too.. but I don't work for free.. or under duress.

You also need to get your head out of your a**, seriously. The world doesn't revolve around you. There are MILLIONS of people less fortunate than you, and all your school is making you do is HELP them. They're not making you donate to charity or anything. God, you're bloody self-centred.


I don't want to help them though, since they mean nothing to me. The rest of the world, outside of my Family & Friends, my Country and "The West" can take a flying leap as I just don't care.



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19 Jan 2013, 12:00 am

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I don't have a problem with the day or the man or any of that.. but I don't know if he'd personally condone the idea of FORCING people to do something they didn't want to do in some ham-handed way of honouring him. I could be wrong on that.. But what good is my going and standing around and washing my hands 200 times to get the dirt off of them going to do to promote his legacy?

The thing is, I feel that if the government was doing it's job properly we wouldn't need community service or charities..

So, I assume then that you're also in favour of massive tax increases, since the government would a) need to buy the actual materials and b) pay a bunch of people to do work. Nothing comes free. It's fine to say that the government should step up and do more - as long as you're personally willing to pay for it through taxes. In your case, you're using it as a cop-out to absolve you have any responsibility.

By the way, if you wouldn't take any job that would consider volunteering to be a nice addition, I hope you really like unemployment. I don't think I can think of any job in any field, anywhere, that wouldn't, between two otherwise identical candidates, pick the one that's done a bunch of volunteering.



And I wouldn't want to work for any company that expects me to work for free. I mean I've done that whole thing in Retail of "Working off the clock" and I have decided not to do that again. You can give as much of your time as you want to to whatever scams I mean charities that you want too.. but I don't work for free.. or under duress.

You also need to get your head out of your a**, seriously. The world doesn't revolve around you. There are MILLIONS of people less fortunate than you, and all your school is making you do is HELP them. They're not making you donate to charity or anything. God, you're bloody self-centred.


I don't want to help them though, since they mean nothing to me. The rest of the world, outside of my Family & Friends, my Country and "The West" can take a flying leap as I just don't care.

I sincerely hope that one day you live in poverty, or are crippled, with no friends or family to support you. You'll get what's coming to you, you conceited and self-centred garbage. Maybe then you will have understanding for the misery and suffering some people have to live with on a day-to-day basis.



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19 Jan 2013, 12:14 am

cammyyy wrote:
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I don't have a problem with the day or the man or any of that.. but I don't know if he'd personally condone the idea of FORCING people to do something they didn't want to do in some ham-handed way of honouring him. I could be wrong on that.. But what good is my going and standing around and washing my hands 200 times to get the dirt off of them going to do to promote his legacy?

The thing is, I feel that if the government was doing it's job properly we wouldn't need community service or charities..

So, I assume then that you're also in favour of massive tax increases, since the government would a) need to buy the actual materials and b) pay a bunch of people to do work. Nothing comes free. It's fine to say that the government should step up and do more - as long as you're personally willing to pay for it through taxes. In your case, you're using it as a cop-out to absolve you have any responsibility.

By the way, if you wouldn't take any job that would consider volunteering to be a nice addition, I hope you really like unemployment. I don't think I can think of any job in any field, anywhere, that wouldn't, between two otherwise identical candidates, pick the one that's done a bunch of volunteering.



And I wouldn't want to work for any company that expects me to work for free. I mean I've done that whole thing in Retail of "Working off the clock" and I have decided not to do that again. You can give as much of your time as you want to to whatever scams I mean charities that you want too.. but I don't work for free.. or under duress.

You also need to get your head out of your a**, seriously. The world doesn't revolve around you. There are MILLIONS of people less fortunate than you, and all your school is making you do is HELP them. They're not making you donate to charity or anything. God, you're bloody self-centred.


I don't want to help them though, since they mean nothing to me. The rest of the world, outside of my Family & Friends, my Country and "The West" can take a flying leap as I just don't care.

I sincerely hope that one day you live in poverty, or are crippled, with no friends or family to support you. You'll get what's coming to you, you conceited and self-centred garbage. Maybe then you will have understanding for the misery and suffering some people have to live with on a day-to-day basis.


Says the person who lives in a country with socialized healthcare and good government assistance programs.

I'm not responsible for people in Bangladesh or Somalia, I pay taxes, and if those taxes were distrubuted the way I want them to be, there wouldn't be nearly as much poverty or suffering in the US as there is now.. You need to check your righteous indignation at the door.

I do love the irony that it's the two people from the country who has MORE entitlements than my country who are lecturing me on my civic responsibilities.. I can't even go to the damn doctor without taking out a small loan yet I'm supposed to feel sorry for people in other countries? Please.



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19 Jan 2013, 5:48 pm

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I do love the irony that it's the two people from the country who has MORE entitlements than my country who are lecturing me on my civic responsibilities.. I can't even go to the damn doctor without taking out a small loan yet I'm supposed to feel sorry for people in other countries? Please.

Yes, actually. Why? Because you can go to the doctor by taking out a loan. There are millions of people who would love to be able to do that, who have absolutely no way of getting to a doctor.

I know our government has more programs, and I am extremely thankful for it. But that's where my last post about higher taxes comes in. We have those programs because we are willing to pay for it through higher taxes. It doesn't come free. And besides, government programs do not replace civic responsibility - even with the government funding, we still have and need lots of charitable organizations.

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And I wouldn't want to work for any company that expects me to work for free. I mean I've done that whole thing in Retail of "Working off the clock" and I have decided not to do that again. You can give as much of your time as you want to to whatever scams I mean charities that you want too.. but I don't work for free.. or under duress.


Who said anything about working for a corporation for free? There's a big difference between working a job for free, and doing something for other people for free. The reason companies favour those who volunteer usually is not because they expect to get free labour out of them - they favour them because volunteering shows that a person a) cares about other people besides themselves, and b) isn't lazy.

And I don't know what charities you've been involved with in the past to get that impression, but they are not all scams. Charities accomplish a lot of things around the world.

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I don't want to help them though, since they mean nothing to me. The rest of the world, outside of my Family & Friends, my Country and "The West" can take a flying leap as I just don't care.


I don't even know what to say to this one. You really need to learn that the world doesn't revolve around you.



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19 Jan 2013, 6:03 pm

This is all a step toward national service for all, which the fed government would like to have for all kids when they hit 18-21. I was actually in Americorps for two years but that taught me all I needed to know about volunteering and charity - no good.

Help yourself - most people can hardly even manage their own lives yet they want to save the world. Be loyal to family and friends and help them.

Most charity cases are charity cases for a reason. The same goes for most charity-case countries, if not the people in them.

I believe in true freedom, and if a person does not want to work for free, they should not be expected to.

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19 Jan 2013, 6:20 pm

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I do love the irony that it's the two people from the country who has MORE entitlements than my country who are lecturing me on my civic responsibilities.. I can't even go to the damn doctor without taking out a small loan yet I'm supposed to feel sorry for people in other countries? Please.

Yes, actually. Why? Because you can go to the doctor by taking out a loan. There are millions of people who would love to be able to do that, who have absolutely no way of getting to a doctor.

I know our government has more programs, and I am extremely thankful for it. But that's where my last post about higher taxes comes in. We have those programs because we are willing to pay for it through higher taxes. It doesn't come free. And besides, government programs do not replace civic responsibility - even with the government funding, we still have and need lots of charitable organizations.

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And I wouldn't want to work for any company that expects me to work for free. I mean I've done that whole thing in Retail of "Working off the clock" and I have decided not to do that again. You can give as much of your time as you want to to whatever scams I mean charities that you want too.. but I don't work for free.. or under duress.


Who said anything about working for a corporation for free? There's a big difference between working a job for free, and doing something for other people for free. The reason companies favour those who volunteer usually is not because they expect to get free labour out of them - they favour them because volunteering shows that a person a) cares about other people besides themselves, and b) isn't lazy.

And I don't know what charities you've been involved with in the past to get that impression, but they are not all scams. Charities accomplish a lot of things around the world.

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I don't want to help them though, since they mean nothing to me. The rest of the world, outside of my Family & Friends, my Country and "The West" can take a flying leap as I just don't care.


I don't even know what to say to this one. You really need to learn that the world doesn't revolve around you.


Why should I though?

You don't like it, tough. You're just another Typical holier-than-thou. Charities are band-aids slapped over real problems, most of them are completely ineffectual at best, and corrupt at worst.

I don't know what Corporations you're talking about, but the only thing most corporations care about is how much f*****g money you're going to make for them. They don't care if you're a good civic citizen so long as you close.

http://youtu.be/8kZg_ALxEz0



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20 Jan 2013, 7:30 am

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I don't know what Corporations you're talking about, but the only thing most corporations care about is how much f***ing money you're going to make for them. They don't care if you're a good civic citizen so long as you close.

http://youtu.be/8kZg_ALxEz0

You're absolutely right. And you know who tends to make more money for them? It's people that aren't lazy, and who don't think the world revolves around them. Because those types of people tend to be a lot more willing to do more than just the bare minimum required to keep their job



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20 Jan 2013, 10:20 am

How is not giving a s**t about civics equating to me being "Lazy"? You're just making stuff up to feel better about wasting your own time "Helping" people.



If I had all the free time to go do charity work, know what I'd do? I'd get a second job, or learn a new skill to improve myself.. cause you know what Corporations like better than people who Close? People who can close in 3 Languages.



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20 Jan 2013, 2:35 pm

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How is not giving a sh** about civics equating to me being "Lazy"? You're just making stuff up to feel better about wasting your own time "Helping" people.

If I had all the free time to go do charity work, know what I'd do? I'd get a second job, or learn a new skill to improve myself.. cause you know what Corporations like better than people who Close? People who can close in 3 Languages.


Sigh...first off, I never said that not volunteering implies you're lazy. What I said was that volunteering shows that you're not lazy. There are many people who are not lazy who choose not to volunteer - and you may very well be one of them. However, nobody who regularly volunteers is lazy - that is an inarguable fact.

That's why companies will give preference to these people - because they can be 100% certain that they aren't hiring someone who will only put in minimal effort out of laziness.

You're idea of getting a second job or learning a skill is a fine idea. Just like volunteering, learning a skill also looks good on the resume. It is absolutely true that companies like people that can speak more than one language. I don't see how that point contradicts anything I've said.



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20 Jan 2013, 2:44 pm

Regardless, I'm through talking to you about this, if you want to waste your time volunteering to teach the homeless how to yodel or whatever it is you consider important, I can't stop you. But, I'm not going to do the "Mandatory Volunteer" work.. and I'm already doing the paperwork to drop the class, including filing a protest against the professor for having a requirement like this.

If I'm going to do something it's going to be for myself, or some one I care about, not for some one I don't know.



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20 Jan 2013, 6:22 pm

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Regardless, I'm through talking to you about this, if you want to waste your time volunteering to teach the homeless how to yodel or whatever it is you consider important, I can't stop you. But, I'm not going to do the "Mandatory Volunteer" work.. and I'm already doing the paperwork to drop the class, including filing a protest against the professor for having a requirement like this.

If I'm going to do something it's going to be for myself, or some one I care about, not for some one I don't know.

So, all charity work is equal in importance to teaching people how to yodel? Ok then. I can see that no amount of logic will get through to you.

I am rather curious where your protest will go. Don't whether the person that reads it will simply be stunned into silence by disbelief, or whether they'll just have a laugh at it. (P.S. at any school, at any level, the course syllabus will have been pre-approved by the higher-ups...so good luck with that).



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20 Jan 2013, 6:30 pm

The same can be said for you, obviously no amount of logic is going to get through that thick skull of yours.. and all I can suggest is, if you don't like it, stop coming in here. No amount of your so called reason or logic is going to make me suddenly swap my world view to match yours and think 'Well Golly Gee Willikers I sure would like to go and spent a few of my limited hours on this earth dishing out soup to smelly hobos.. that sure does sound swell!".

Of course they aren't going to do anything about it, I don't expect them to, and frankly It doesn't matter if they do anything about it or not, that's not the point, this is a matter of principle. I'm allowed to put in a Faculty review and I'm doing it in the form of a very strongly worded letter of protest.



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The same can be said for you, obviously no amount of logic is going to get through that thick skull of yours.. and all I can suggest is, if you don't like it, stop coming in here. No amount of your so called reason or logic is going to make me suddenly swap my world view to match yours and think 'Well Golly Gee Willikers I sure would like to go and spent a few of my limited hours on this earth dishing out soup to smelly hobos.. that sure does sound swell!".

Of course they aren't going to do anything about it, I don't expect them to, and frankly It doesn't matter if they do anything about it or not, that's not the point, this is a matter of principle. I'm allowed to put in a Faculty review and I'm doing it in the form of a very strongly worded letter of protest.

So, because I have a different opinion then you, I should stop coming in here?

P.S. I thought you were done talking to me about this?



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20 Jan 2013, 7:53 pm

And let you have the last word? I think not. It's just that we've expended anything useful to say to one another.. so if you want to waste your time on pointlessly arguing with me.. go ahead.. I still would prefer you stop coming in and ruining my thread though.



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And let you have the last word? I think not. It's just that we've expended anything useful to say to one another.. so if you want to waste your time on pointlessly arguing with me.. go ahead.. I still would prefer you stop coming in and ruining my thread though.

Ruining your thread? In your first post you asked how this was legal, and why you were being punished. You asked a question, and I tried to answer it.

Don't ask the question if you don't want the answer.