Interesting Proposal to Solve the Bullying Problem

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30 Jul 2005, 12:02 pm

That's actually not a bad idea. I've seen the following poem on a billboard in downstate Illinois. I'm guessing it's an area with a lot of republicans, who support NRA. So why not apply the same concept to schools?

Violent thugs
Won't dare attack,
If their victim
Might shoot back.



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30 Jul 2005, 7:29 pm

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That sounds like a good idea, but there's problem. The American legal system will block it.


And shoud (allthogh i dout that it will for long, with the way things are going, here and in america). This is exactly the sort of Big Brother sosiety that needs to be avoided at all costs.


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25 Aug 2005, 2:07 am

I hate to say it, but that sounds VERY un-fundable, even down to the fact that there must be one person monitoring every camera: this would quickly add up to thousands of people being employed to monitor one school district.

I think a slightly more practical system would be to have the cameras automatically turn on half an hour before people arrive at the school and an hour after they have left. These cameras would be unmonitored, but (now don't jump down my technically-impaired throat!) they would be sending a constant stream of data to a control centre throughout the day (there would have to be a digital way to do this to avoid having to make tapes). This data is then stored for a period of 48 hours, after which it is overwritten by the next day's data. All cameras are to be clearly labeled. The process (I think) is incredibly simple! If a child falls victim to bullying, they note where and when it happened, which camera would have caught the footage, and report the incident to the database. This way we eliminate the need to employ thousands of people to sit all day staring at a camera (they would most likely tune out and not pick up anything at all, as it's just not possible to stay that tuned in for that long for something that boring!). It would also put the child in a position of control over the situation. Best of all, the presence of these cameras would probably deter most people!

As for corrupt authorities, employ kind old grannies who have somehow become computer literate to run the database centre! That should do the trick! :wink:


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25 Aug 2005, 10:29 pm

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I think a slightly more practical system would be to have the cameras automatically turn on half an hour before people arrive at the school and an hour after they have left. These cameras would be unmonitored, but (now don't jump down my technically-impaired throat!) they would be sending a constant stream of data to a control centre throughout the day (there would have to be a digital way to do this to avoid having to make tapes). This data is then stored for a period of 48 hours, after which it is overwritten by the next day's data. All cameras are to be clearly labeled. The process (I think) is incredibly simple! If a child falls victim to bullying, they note where and when it happened, which camera would have caught the footage, and report the incident to the database. This way we eliminate the need to employ thousands of people to sit all day staring at a camera (they would most likely tune out and not pick up anything at all, as it's just not possible to stay that tuned in for that long for something that boring!). It would also put the child in a position of control over the situation. Best of all, the presence of these cameras would probably deter most people!

This is perfect!:D As long as there is a way to capture the bullying and play it back, it's all good. Since the recordings will last 48 hours, the student will have enough time to report the incident, and the control center will have enough time to review it.
As for eliminating tapes, the control center (or academic security office, as I call it) can license the digital recording technology from the TiVo Corporation.



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26 Aug 2005, 6:10 am

School bullying is a problem? I thought it was character building.



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26 Aug 2005, 10:13 am

Yay! Glad to get your approval Aspie1!


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27 Aug 2005, 9:28 am

That would be a good idea PheonixKitten, but don't most students who are getting bullied refuse to talk about it and just let it happen? Eventually they'll crack and usually get in trouble for defending themselves, but that doesn't help since they get the punishment and not the actual bully. I dunno, my knowledge of bullying stops at the fact that most people who are bullied keep quiet about it and noone ever knows it happens because the vitcims are too scared to talk out about it for fear of getting attacked by the bully again. Least thats my thoughts.
For some reason the title of this thread reminded me of Jonathan Swift's 'A Modest Proposal' - and no, I'm not suggesting it's a good idea to eat the bullies after they've been fattenned up :P

Edit: after rereading what you said, Aspie1, maybe I should clarify that the student refuses to tell anyone at all because they get worked up about it, so having it on the database wouldn't affect it. Though I guess if the student knew it was there then they'd be alot more open about admitting to being bullied. Eh.



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28 Aug 2005, 12:38 am

Hmm, true Astarael, but at the same time I think a lot of kids keep silent because it's their word against others. If people came out to the schools and drilled into them that all they have to do is ask and the tapes will be located and the situation handled, I like to think more kids would be spurred into action. It could even be played across with the humorous slant: "Come on kids! Report your bullying, or I will get the sack!" *grins*


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28 Aug 2005, 2:35 am

it's so hard to sort out bullying issues. so much of it goes on outside times when kids can be "monitored", whether by CCTV or staff. lunchtimes, break times, big playgrounds etc. and then there's all the stuff which happens on the journey to and from school.

one of the things many primary schools (ages 5-11) do here is the "buddy" system, where older kids are set up as buddies, and to whom other kids can go if there's any trouble. they can sort out minor problems, and obviously get staff involved in more serious ones.

there's also a lot of work being done with the the bullies themselves, although i don't really know whether i think it works.

there will always be bullies. let's face it - there's an awful lot of them in governments, in the military, and in businesses, around the world. in fact, in any institution. while anyone agrees that "might is right", there'll be bullies. maybe we should consider addressing THAT issue, in order to curb bullies in schools - they only do it cos they can see it works.



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28 Aug 2005, 7:31 am

Good point Vivi... if we can stop Dubya Bush in his tracks, THEN we have a hope of solving school bullying...


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28 Aug 2005, 11:48 am

PhoenixKitten wrote:
Hmm, true Astarael, but at the same time I think a lot of kids keep silent because it's their word against others. If people came out to the schools and drilled into them that all they have to do is ask and the tapes will be located and the situation handled.

You've just nailed it right on. Bullying victims keep silent 'cause they think no one will help them. Sadly, this is often true. I've even had bullies tell me: "No one will believe you; you don't have any evidence". With the tapes or digital recordings readily available at the academic security office, there will be evidence. And with evidence, bullies can be prosecuted and charged with appropriate crimes. For instance, forcefully taking lunch money can be classified as an unarmed robbery.



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28 Aug 2005, 6:59 pm

Woohoo! *grins at armed robbery* Exactly! No more of this 'boys will be boys' crap! Lol, and something tells me that kids will take it a lot more seriously: victims won't feel like a wimp if they are making a charge of 'armed robbery' as opposed to 'he took my lunch money!', and bullies should think twice about the new name too!


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13 Nov 2005, 8:32 am

vetivert wrote:
there will always be bullies. let's face it - there's an awful lot of them in governments, in the military, and in businesses, around the world. in fact, in any institution. while anyone agrees that "might is right", there'll be bullies. maybe we should consider addressing THAT issue, in order to curb bullies in schools - they only do it cos they can see it works.


That sounds like an INFINATELY better approach


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13 Nov 2005, 8:36 am

PhoenixKitten wrote:
Woohoo! *grins at armed robbery* Exactly! No more of this 'boys will be boys' crap! Lol, and something tells me that kids will take it a lot more seriously: victims won't feel like a wimp if they are making a charge of 'armed robbery' as opposed to 'he took my lunch money!', and bullies should think twice about the new name too!


The thing is thogh, lots of kids that age wood love to be thort of as an "armed robber", so it woodnt exactly work that way


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20 Feb 2006, 8:40 pm

I dug up this old thread on solving the bullying problem in school, and thought it'd be fun to revive it. Read my initial post and people's comments on it, then let me know what you think.



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19 Oct 2006, 2:05 pm

i have had problems with bullying, being punished for defending my self, and being provoked....
no tolerance policys on violence do not adress the issue of why im being attacked, and schools punishment system can be an ineffective deterent.
my girl tina_watercrest talked of her school having an anti-bullying policy unfortanty it was only enforced for a year.
I would love to see those who bully other sujected to corporal punishment, or keep them isolated for prolonged periods of time instead of letting them out to play with the other kids

I would rather have been in a big brother system in elementary school and called everyone comrade than going through the hell i went through.

I remember them telling us to be nice an inclusive later this worked a little but overall this was ineffective

pychological and physical bullying are causing more mental issues for people with ASDs like social anciety, depression, and make it difficult to make friends,
it is an evil that must be stoped


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