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28 Jan 2011, 10:34 pm

I can't seem to get away from classes with the dreaded, online quiz that is timed oh and randomized too. I just don't get this whole need to time quizes.

For example, let's say I have a class on Tuesday and a class on Saturday. Its the same class, if my homework is due before the class starts on Saturday. Then why does the quiz need to be timed as well?

No matter if its timed or not, there will be people who do the quizes last minute. I have classmates confessed that they have done our timed quizes last minute.

So, why are my quizzes timed?

Why does a test need to be timed? It just adds to the pressure.



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28 Jan 2011, 11:57 pm

I assume it is so the quiz is not taken with too much reliance on notes or outside sources.

Have you contacted your school's learning disability office about removing the time limit for you? This is usually an easy, low-level accommodation.



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29 Jan 2011, 1:35 am

chaotik_lord wrote:
I assume it is so the quiz is not taken with too much reliance on notes or outside sources.

Have you contacted your school's learning disability office about removing the time limit for you? This is usually an easy, low-level accommodation.


My parents told me I don't want to open that can of worms.


And that's ret*d.

In your work world if your boss gave you a "test", you'd be allowed the resources around you to figure it out.



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29 Jan 2011, 12:06 pm

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In your work world if your boss gave you a "test", you'd be allowed the resources around you to figure it out.

But you might have a deadline for it.


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29 Jan 2011, 10:13 pm

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But you might have a deadline for it.


Yeah, but I'm not having problems with the deadline.

If it already has a deadline, don't add a time restriction.



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29 Jan 2011, 11:45 pm

Pandora_Box wrote:
My parents told me I don't want to open that can of worms.


And that's ret*d.


hahahaha I totally opened that can of worms... I learned that public school actually have very little control. Anything that the school should be in charge of it actually done by the schoolboard... and anything that the schoolboard should be in charge of is done by the government.

So trying to get stuff changes is usually quite hard. I believe that you should at least try. It may be hard, but it was always a good experience for me to question certain rules.



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30 Jan 2011, 1:49 am

I have timed online quizzes for one of my courses too....actually I also had them in class for my neuroscience course last semester. I get SO anxious whenever I have one of them and since there is roughly one a week (for my current class) I am anxious quite a lot now. I can't stand the feeling that I might run out of time. Nonetheless........ I've actually done pretty well on them and am starting to get used to them.


Having said that you could go and ask for extra time on the quizzes. Asking for the accommodations should go through a disabilities dept. and should be confidential. I don't think you have to worry about "opening a can of worms". The worst that can happen is that they decide it is not a reasonable accommodation.....



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30 Jan 2011, 2:54 am

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I have timed online quizzes for one of my courses too....actually I also had them in class for my neuroscience course last semester. I get SO anxious whenever I have one of them and since there is roughly one a week (for my current class) I am anxious quite a lot now. I can't stand the feeling that I might run out of time. Nonetheless........ I've actually done pretty well on them and am starting to get used to them.


Same I have those very anxieties. That and the way I test is extremely different. See I read the chapter and may know the answers. However, I always read the book, take the test, read over the text questions and double check them with the book to make sure. Which doesn't always take 15 minutes.


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Having said that you could go and ask for extra time on the quizzes. Asking for the accommodations should go through a disabilities dept. and should be confidential. I don't think you have to worry about "opening a can of worms". The worst that can happen is that they decide it is not a reasonable accommodation.....


My parents told me I need to stop worrying and that I don't want to do something like that. And that I just need to learn how to adapt.



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30 Jan 2011, 2:58 am

Pandora Box. I don't know what kind of situation you are in. I am only in gr12 so I may not have the best of advice.
If your parents don't want you to do it.. you should know exactly why they do not want you to do it.

"you don't want to open that can of worms"

You should ask them specifically what will happen. Because only then can you make an informed decision. If they are going to keep information from you... I don't think they should be doing that.

Even if you end up not asking for more time. Asking your parents and finding out why they do not want you asking should be a relief.



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30 Jan 2011, 5:36 am

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Pandora Box. I don't know what kind of situation you are in. I am only in gr12 so I may not have the best of advice.
If your parents don't want you to do it.. you should know exactly why they do not want you to do it.

"you don't want to open that can of worms"

You should ask them specifically what will happen. Because only then can you make an informed decision. If they are going to keep information from you... I don't think they should be doing that.

Even if you end up not asking for more time. Asking your parents and finding out why they do not want you asking should be a relief.


Well to get qualifications at the school, even if you have a doctors certification. You have to go through their own rigirous testing as well.

My parents think:

-I'm worrying to much about the time, and should learn to adapt

-Don't think I should label myself disabled for benefits [um not sure what the heck they mean by this]

-Already thinking me being diagnosed with Aspergers was a stupid mistake. To label yourself is to limit yourself.

-Think I worry to much about what I might have...in this case I was diagnosed Aspergers, but before I went to seek a diagnosis my parents told me not to worry about it. And the same thing here, I wonder if there is something setting me back to complete these timed quizzes I need help, but my parents think I'm worrying to much.



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30 Jan 2011, 10:38 am

The purpose for a time limit on a quiz is one of proficiency.

If you know the material, you should be able to complete the quiz in the time allotted with an acceptable score.

The flaw is that some people have anxiety issues (NT and AS) where the presence of the time limit becomes their focus and their brains can't function on the exam.

In real life, yeah, if you can't do the job in the 30 minutes you have to do it, you won't have that job for long, but most people, at work, focus on work and not the clock.

It's similar to the "choke" they talk about in sports. A recent test offered people money to make simple 3-foot puts into a hole on a miniature golf course. When money was not involved, they often made the shot easily. When money was offered for making the put, the stress it added caused them to miss...often more so based on how much money was being offered. It became a distraction from a very simple task they could otherwise do.



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30 Jan 2011, 1:30 pm

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The purpose for a time limit on a quiz is one of proficiency.

If you know the material, you should be able to complete the quiz in the time allotted with an acceptable score.

The flaw is that some people have anxiety issues (NT and AS) where the presence of the time limit becomes their focus and their brains can't function on the exam.

In real life, yeah, if you can't do the job in the 30 minutes you have to do it, you won't have that job for long, but most people, at work, focus on work and not the clock.


I don't see how completing something in 30mins is proficient. To me that's not enough time to do your utmost best work.



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30 Jan 2011, 2:11 pm

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Same I have those very anxieties. That and the way I test is extremely different. See I read the chapter and may know the answers. However, I always read the book, take the test, read over the text questions and double check them with the book to make sure. Which doesn't always take 15 minutes.

You have taken closed-book exams before, right? Just treat this as a closed-book quiz. If you have extra time at the end, you can check the book to look up answers for any questions you were especially unsure of.


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30 Jan 2011, 2:58 pm

Like someone else said, it's so you don't rely too heavily on your notes, book, etc.

And as for your parents not wanting you to go to the disability office, you can do it without them. I didn't notice your age but you can do it all as long as you're 18. You just have to ask for the accommodations you want and you'll probably have to contact your psychologist or whoever diagnosed you for proof. One of the accommodations you can ask for is for extra time on tests, quizzes, etc. Having accommodations is not a big deal at all...I've had them at junior college and now at a 4 year college. It's never caused a problem or "opened a can of worms".


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30 Jan 2011, 3:13 pm

-I'm worrying to much about the time, and should learn to adapt

You have to figure out which things you are able to adapt to. And figure out which things are just ridiculous and do not apply to what you are trying to accomplish.


-Don't think I should label myself disabled for benefits [um not sure what the heck they mean by this]

I kinda know what they mean but it is hard for me to describe it. Either they think you are trying to label yourself as disabled to get benefits you don't need OR that labeling yourself as disabled will have some negative effects. But this is just me speculating.



-Already thinking me being diagnosed with Aspergers was a stupid mistake. To label yourself is to limit yourself.

haha the diagnosis doesn't change anything unless you let it change anything. I think that they are worried about you accepting who you are and stopping trying to learn about social interaction and doing all the autistic stuff. once again speculation.



-Think I worry to much about what I might have...in this case I was diagnosed Aspergers, but before I went to seek a diagnosis my parents told me not to worry about it. And the same thing here, I wonder if there is something setting me back to complete these timed quizzes I need help, but my parents think I'm worrying to much.

I don't know about this. all I can say is that it reminds me that I absolutely hate talking over the phone. it is because I do not believe I can communicate as well over the phone.



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30 Jan 2011, 4:52 pm

Pandora_Box wrote:
zer0netgain wrote:
The purpose for a time limit on a quiz is one of proficiency.

If you know the material, you should be able to complete the quiz in the time allotted with an acceptable score.

The flaw is that some people have anxiety issues (NT and AS) where the presence of the time limit becomes their focus and their brains can't function on the exam.

In real life, yeah, if you can't do the job in the 30 minutes you have to do it, you won't have that job for long, but most people, at work, focus on work and not the clock.


I don't see how completing something in 30mins is proficient. To me that's not enough time to do your utmost best work.


In the world, it is a question of productivity. If I want to test your ability to perform multiplication and give you a test with 15 fairly straightforward equations and 30 minutes to do it (2 minutes per question), if you know how to do multiplication, then there is no reason you can't get 100% in under 30 minutes.

If you don't panic at the idea of competing against a clock, and you know how to do multiplication, then it's a pass/fail matter. You should not need 5 minutes per question to do something any competent person could probably do in under 1 minutes/question.

Now, on more esoteric exams (like essay exams I did in law school), it was insane how you had to do stuff from memory in 3 hours....not because it wasn't enough time, but in real life nobody would ever expect you to be able to rattle off all you learned on a topic in 3 hours without access to research and notes. Of course, that's how the bar exam works, so you're tested that way. :roll: