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10 Feb 2021, 11:09 am

Maybe I should've put this in General discussion.
Maybe this is the right section for it.
Both are relevant....

Maybe it should've been in Social Skills and Making friends or In-depth.
But while relevant, it might not be the point.



Ever had one of these or something similar when you guys went to school?

As early as in elementary? Or even pre-elem?
And/or as late as middle school.

Not to be confused with:
Religion, moral studies, ethics, maybe civics or sociology... Even if it's close to it.

Because not all schools had such subjects -- for complicated reasons actually related to religion, moral studies, ethics, sociology, etc...


I mean subjects such as these as a kid or maybe as teenager.
Where all the 'right answers' are the nicest words and actions possible. :lol:

Nothing complex related to philosophy, social issues, religion, politics or some debatable dilemmas in ethics and involving the law.

But something utterly basic as 'polite expressions' and 'how to share', like 'magic words'.
Or something simpler 'please read the sign and obey'. A

And no, this isn't in kindergarten or nursery.

More related to, say, "Good Manners and Right Conduct" -- yeah, it's one of this subject's name version too.

Ten commandments and virtues, maybe into the mix in some occassion. Or something as civil as do not cheat or scam.
Maybe not. That's not the point.
Unless it is as explicit as 'thou shalt not kill'.

In an explicit, vocal and written, possibly rehearsed manner, not merely implicit nor practiced like at home.




Cause I do. While growing up. :lol:

It didn't made sense to me -- I know in real life no one's that perfect, and that real life is way more complex as much as I wished otherwise.


In my mind I just know the most appropriate of answers; there's nothing too critical about it. Too damn easy in the paper. :P

Maybe that's how I learned how to lie... :lol: :lol: :lol: Because on the paper, the honest answer is logically incorrect.
Even if honesty is one of the virtues, so do obedience technically. :lol: :lol:

So I choose a students answer, than a kid's answer.
By technically lying about how I should and shouldn't act -- or at least that's how I interpreted the questions.
The correct interpretation is how one is ought to act and say words, yet I didn't like the whole idea of that. :lol:

Maybe that's also how I grew disliking the idea of masking.


Very ironic, wouldn't?
Maybe I learned how to lie, while learning how to hate the idea of masking at the same time because of this subject. :twisted:


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10 Feb 2021, 11:29 am

What is "One of these"?  I do not see a list of specific subjects.


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10 Feb 2021, 12:34 pm

Fnord wrote:
What is "One of these"?  I do not see a list of specific subjects.

It has different names -- I do not know those names.

Except calling it 'values education', 'character/attitude/personality education/study (or at least that's the translation I could give)', 'good manners and right conduct'...

It can be different. :? But with similar ideas.


Or maybe I confused the sentences.
Or maybe I left out more information as usual. Or implied something that isn't.



Got any school subjects related to learning social manners?
As if it is actually one of the regular school subjects?

How to be polite or courteous, learning various social rules and, etc...?
'People skills' as part of lessons in school, and is taught as if it's another graded school subject, complete with tests and all.


I also wanna know how it is if it exists elsewhere. My search tells me so far it may not be so worldwide.


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10 Feb 2021, 12:45 pm

I think you mean "Ethics" or "Citizenship"; my school had no such classes (American Midwest, 1960s-1970s).

Students who were physically attractive, athletic, talented, and had wealthy parents were considered "cool" no matter how badly they behaved.  The rest were considered "uncool" no matter how well they behaved.  Some of us were even complete social rejects due to "odd" appearances and behaviors, physical clumsiness, lack of any artistic talent whatsoever, and being afflicted with "working-class poverty".

Hence, physical attractiveness, athletic ability, artistic talent, and monetary wealth were more important than "Ethics" or "Citizenship" in my school.


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10 Feb 2021, 12:48 pm

I did PSE at school.

Mum tells me it was later known as PHSE.

It wasn't like that though.

It was stories about kids getting into all sorts of scary situations (section 28 in mind though...) and discussion about how to avoid that stuff or what you'd do in their situation.

Stuff like: stranger danger, drug addiction, alcohol addiction, gambling addiction, being drawn into a life of crime.

The gambling bit seemed really inland to me cos it made going to an amusement arcade out to be this massive danger and this exotic place: like a Las Vegas casino. I've been going to amusement arcades since before I was going to school. Your parents just gave you £1 (when you're an adult, you limit yourself to £1) then you do a bit of 'gambling'. The lottery's about as risky as that :roll: You know it will all go, you know it's rare you win a prize, the fun is in the taking part.


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10 Feb 2021, 3:02 pm

I've never heard of this 'values education'. Maybe it's specific to your school or area?


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10 Feb 2021, 3:25 pm

We didn't have actual classes for those things, but while going over traffic rules (when to cross the road etc.) in the first grade, we did get some lessons on how to behave in public transport. We also learned tablemanners during lunch, though my teacher in junior high was upset with the fact that my previous school didn't allow eating bread during the meal; it was to be eaten after the plate was empty.



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10 Feb 2021, 7:22 pm

Fnord wrote:
I think you mean "Ethics" or "Citizenship"; my school had no such classes (American Midwest, 1960s-1970s).

Like that yes.
But more to do with following the rules and bits of common sense.

Than, say, lists of laws or something about right and wrong in a philosophical sense.


NaturalEntity wrote:
I've never heard of this 'values education'. Maybe it's specific to your school or area?

I'm also wondering how much of that is the case.


KT67 wrote:
I did PSE at school.

Mum tells me it was later known as PHSE.

It wasn't like that though.

...

What you mean it wasn't like that? :o
Subjects tittle a non-indicative name?

Those lessons sounds a bit more practical though. :P Is it specialized to such lessons or was there more?

The types I got does include such lessons.
But more often than not, it's not the main theme.


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We didn't have actual classes for those things, but while going over traffic rules (when to cross the road etc.) in the first grade, we did get some lessons on how to behave in public transport. We also learned tablemanners during lunch, though my teacher in junior high was upset with the fact that my previous school didn't allow eating bread during the meal; it was to be eaten after the plate was empty.

:o Just two lessons? In your entire school life?


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11 Feb 2021, 3:02 pm

Unsure where you live but it's not in my timezone if you're posting at (to me) gone midnight. My school did a thing on British values once but that faded away really fast and we never came back to it again.


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13 Feb 2021, 9:42 pm

NaturalEntity wrote:
Unsure where you live but it's not in my timezone if you're posting at (to me) gone midnight. My school did a thing on British values once but that faded away really fast and we never came back to it again.

If you've taken it...
May I know how was it? :o


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14 Feb 2021, 2:11 pm

Edna3362 wrote:
NaturalEntity wrote:
Unsure where you live but it's not in my timezone if you're posting at (to me) gone midnight. My school did a thing on British values once but that faded away really fast and we never came back to it again.

If you've taken it...
May I know how was it? :o

It was OK I guess... just teaching us about stuff like equality, justice and freedom. 'British Values', apparently. Then after a few weeks it trickled up and we never did anything like it again. We've had focus on mental health but that isn't the same.


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