Freedom of Speech in the workplace

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22 Oct 2010, 1:16 am

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At Wal-Mart, just talking about video games with gamer coworkers is enough to cause some people to be paranoid. They hear keywords like "grenade", "plasma rifle", "Sentinel laser" and such and then assume I'm planning to conquer the universe, and so I get fired for the "violent act" of somehow potentially being a "terrorist". ...


Ive known a kid who worked at walmart that actually got sent to "juvinile jail" as I call it for it. And I know he wasn't making threats because we were discussing farcry together. (this was not long after its release). even argued it in court and challenged it and he still got f**** over because words like shoot and grenade are "serious business".


Do you know of any more examples of this? After I can afford it I am determined to take Wal-Mart through as many levels of the courts as necessary to ensure that Wal-Mart pays for junk like this which they have committed, and probably still are committing, against innocent people. Having more examples of this type of hard-headed refusal to think and blind following of policies regardless of actual situation would be useful in developing a more generalized legal battle against them.



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22 Oct 2010, 5:52 am

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Rick Sanchez getting fired from CNN for saying "the media is run by Jews" is a recent example. Many people react by saying that this person's Freedom of Speech got violated. But it didn't. They didn't get arrested. They got fired. Freedom of Speech protects you from arrest (which is why it's relevent in DemonAbyy'ss anecdote) but it does not guarentee that you get paid for saying these things.


Well, that's a slightly different matter.

Juan Williiams was fired from NPR at the demand of the Council for American-Islamic Relations because of what he said as a guest on a Fox news program.

I found it reprehensible that NPR rationalized it as saying he had a right to free speech but not a right to employment. Journalism is all about freedom of speech and to fire a reporter who expressed his view when not working in his capacity as a journalist (it would be defensible if he passed his personal views as "facts" in a news story, but that is not the case here) is the height of hypocrisy. Ironically, NPR's firing of Williams perfectly illustrates his comment on Fox about political correctness run amok. A real news agency would not terminate an employer because someone in the viewing audience was offended. Checking your views and opinions for fear of offending someone stifles free speech, and the journalistic profession is very adamant about not tolerating things that stifles free speech.

Now, for an ordinary person, yes, expressing a view publicly could cost you your job. Especially if doing so carries the impression that your employer embraces or endorses your viewpoint or results in hostility directed at your employer. However, there is a question as to whether your employment contract sets rules and policies of what outside behavior can be sanctioned or what rights you have to employment...violation of which would result in legal action against the employer.



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22 Oct 2010, 8:03 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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'keet, all I did was to pare things down to relevant facts ...


"relevant facts" are those which have been abstracted from their original context and juxtaposed to fit into a new context.

No, 'keet, no such thing happened. I only removed all the emotional stuff in order to get down to the simple question of whether or not you had been restricted from speaking freely in a situation where no law even says you must be allowed to speak. I am not saying you were being treated properly, and neither am I saying you were wrong in saying the things you said. I am simply saying no personal rights were violated in any of the situations you have mentioned.


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22 Oct 2010, 7:06 pm

leejosepho wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
leejosepho wrote:
'keet, all I did was to pare things down to relevant facts ...


"relevant facts" are those which have been abstracted from their original context and juxtaposed to fit into a new context.

No, 'keet, no such thing happened. I only removed all the emotional stuff in order to get down to the simple question of whether or not you had been restricted from speaking freely in a situation where no law even says you must be allowed to speak. I am not saying you were being treated properly, and neither am I saying you were wrong in saying the things you said. I am simply saying no personal rights were violated in any of the situations you have mentioned.


Saying that something wrong isn't illegal is not to say that it isn't wrong, just that there has not yet been a law made to address it in particular. When I take Wal-Mart to the courts I will be seeking to establish a formal ruling regarding the freedom of speech in the workplace in particular and clarifying that freedom of speech entails freedom from punishment for merely speaking things which others consider disfavorable.



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22 Oct 2010, 7:40 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Saying something wrong isn't illegal is not to say it isn't wrong ...

Agreed, and my own posts show the same ...

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
... just that there has not yet been a law made to address it in particular.

Some companies do better than others in the kinds of situations you have described, and some unions make differences there ... but there is no way "the gub'ment" is ever going to make a law giving employees freedom from retribution every time an employer, manager or supervisor does not like something an employee has said.

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
When I take Wal-Mart to the courts I will be seeking to establish a formal ruling regarding the freedom of speech in the workplace in particular and clarifying that freedom of speech entails freedom from punishment for merely speaking things which others consider disfavorable.

I commend your committment there, but you will get nowhere with that unless you can show Wal-Mart has either broken an existing law or has at least treated you unfairly in relation to their own internal policies ... and then something like that would only be a civil matter the one with the deepest-filled pockets ends up winning.


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