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19 May 2010, 7:21 pm

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It is your attitude of glorious entitlement I find nauseating. There is no shame to being on disability; your attitude about others, however, is something I find shameful. Please try to separate my opinion on your behavior and my opinion on disability, because they are not the same.
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Well I guess it's a good thing I don't care about your e-pinions then!



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19 May 2010, 7:22 pm

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I have two college degrees and an awful lot of skills that I refuse to share with society.


If your disability is the reason why you can't work than why did you write this nonsense. If you were able to obtain two degrees and say you refuse to share the knowledge you obtain, than that's a problem with your beliefs that has nothing to do with anxiety or whatever other problems you claim to be dealing with.


Seconded. There is a difference between being disabled and choosing not to work, which the OP has refused to clarify thus far.


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19 May 2010, 7:26 pm

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This entire argument is petty, small minded and ultimately absurd. The whole reason for the 'spectrum' umbrella for describing Autism is because different people may function at widely varying levels. What is doable or even relatively easy for one may be impossible for others with essentially identical symptoms. However, the definition of disability is that it significantly impairs one's ability to obtain or maintain gainful employment or to perform typical day-to-day functions. If you can operate your own business, you're not having a significant problem, so disorder or none, that doesn't qualify as a disability.

Anxiety and depression very much can cause debilitating loss of functionality, but in my experience it's the Autistic subtleties that interfere with employability. It's the very fact that coworkers perceive people with AS as 'different', even when they can't quite define what 'different' means. That the need to employ alternate methods is classified as stubborn refusal to conform . That being focused and non-social is thought of as being anti-social.

When jobs in my original long term career path started changing form and then finally drying up by the thousands, I turned to a Career Education program for the Disabled to obtain a license to perform a different job (I already held the same license in another state, but here they insisted I retake the entire training course). In spite of the fact that I completed the program, and the instructors documented that fact, they refused to license me and kicked me out of the program days before I should have graduated because of my Autism - they insisted that I magically overcome social anxiety issues (stop being Autistic) in order to become a more high-pressure salesman (which is in no way related to the job in any case). Let me say that again - I was discriminated against for my handicap in a program that was supposed to assist the disabled in finding work! And the state Board of Continuing Career Education upheld that decision, because as they told me "It's not our place to enforce the Americans With Disabilites (antidiscrimination) Act".

My point being, that I'd be more than happy to be working right now, but the state is barring me from holding a job in my chosen profession (and as I trust all of you are aware, just picking a random job out of the newspaper is not an option - personally, I've never lasted more than a month in any of those). Some of us would like to work, at least part-time, but my Autistic disability keeps me from gainful employment even when I want to work. :roll:

While there may be many people abusing the Welfare system, qualifying for Disability in the US is not a simple process. Not only do your own medical or Mental Health professionals have to vouch for you, a panel of government doctors has to decide that you really do have a legitimate problem, and they take their sweet time coming to a determination. In most cases, if you're under 50 and not on serious medication, they figure you're capable of doing something and won't even consider you. If you do get it, it's based on whether you live alone or have family or a spouse with an income that can carry part of the tab, and if you live alone (who could seriously suggest that a person disabled by a SOCIAL disorder be forced to live with a roommate?) it's barely enough to survive on - by the time they take out Medicare, it isn't enough to live on. When you shop once a month, you have to decide: bath soap or laundry soap - you can't afford both and still buy enough Ramen noodles and hot dogs to get through the month. So you can shove words like 'leech' and 'loser' where the sun don't shine - nobody wants to live in this endless luxury. :evil:

Geez Louise, do you realize how ridiculous it is for a bunch of people with a neuropsyche disorder to sit around fighting over who's the biggest loser and how "all you other Bozos don't function as well as I do, so you suck" ? It reminds me of Jack Nicholson in Cuckoo's Nest looking down his nose at all the 'looneys' he had to put up with in the Mental Institution, never realizing he was just as screwed up as the rest of them, just in a different way.


Everything you have said is correct. This is why I have to challenge values, sayings, and beliefs of american society itself. Williard, will you help me to do this? http://ultimatesuperset.blogspot.com/ Read these as well. http://ultimatesuperset.blogspot.com/20 ... r-you.html
http://ultimatesuperset.blogspot.com/20 ... erica.html
http://ultimatesuperset.blogspot.com/20 ... -fair.html
http://ultimatesuperset.blogspot.com/20 ... arned.html

The honest truth is we have to challenge this whole system itself. If I must, I will do so alone. I would prefer and I do need help. I really can't do it alone. I think it is high time to start shoving these values down some people's throat. I am positive that we can change this system from within. I have a positive attitude. The advocates for self-responsibility say we are entitled to nothing. I say they are correct. This means we are not entitled not to do this. We are not entitled not to be able to advocate for ourselves and demand the ability to provide ourselves happiness. We are not entitled to not have the detailed instructions on how to and keep our jobs. We are not entitled not to be able to provide ourselves a living. The advocates want us to not have a sense of entitlement. They will get what they wish for and more.

Will you read my blog and see what I am doing and help me to do this? Will you help me to perfect a new philosophical system I have so far.



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19 May 2010, 7:31 pm

Willard, Cube and Jim seem to be the only others in this discussion who are getting anything I am saying. Everybody else just wants to trolls the interwebs.

You other two are screaming about a sense of entitlement but for some reason you have some sense that you are entitled to some sort of explanation from me. Go practice what you preach. I don't owe you an explanation of any sort, nor do I feel the need to defend myself against whatever it is you think is fishy. Just make your own conclusions, you're going to anyway no matter what I say. If you think I am abusing the system, fine go off into your little daily life believing that, it won't affect me (or the free money and medical care I get every month) one bit.



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19 May 2010, 7:40 pm

@cube - that's one kickass blog you have there. I agree with what you are getting at because we are pretty much saying the same thing here. Like I said, we live in a social construct that is not real at all, it could easily be a completely different world we live in. The social construct is a fantasy that is fabricated by mutual consent of the average human (average neurotypicals of average intelligence being the most numerous). My intent in posting this thread was to challenge how people think and maybe even begin the unraveling of the way they have been conditioned to think and behave. There are no absolutes. The only rights and wrongs are the ones we agree on, and even those could easily be other than what they are.



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19 May 2010, 7:48 pm

Honestly, whether you even read my responses doesn't really matter to me. It is expressing my feelings of disgust towards your attitude and sharing that with others that interests me. Your statements make no sense, that you have two advanced degrees but "refuse" to share that with others and therefore sought disability. You may indeed qualify and be entitled to it - but that doesn't mean I have to respect your attitude about it, only that you have the right to have your own opinions as well. You seem to think you're entitled to free money despite your abilities, based on your repeated statement that you are refusing to work, not that you are unable. Don't want criticism? Post in the Haven. Otherwise, expect people to speak their minds in response (provided they stay within the rules) and get over it.


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19 May 2010, 8:02 pm

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How about we switch the focus off me for one second and you answer the question I posed to you twice already? How about we make a case for you? What is it about HAPPILY accepting disability checks that gets your panties in such a wad? Why should I feel shame for doing so? For some reason you feel it is perfectly acceptable for me to go examine my own thoughts and motives but you seem reluctant to do so, why is that? I already know the answer and I think you might as well, but I really want to see you admit it.

Ok... I've already answered this, but obviously you didn't catch it, so I'll spell it out for you.

If you were happy to be getting disability because you wouldn't be living out on the street, this would be an entirely different story. However, you're happy because by your own words...
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I am more than happy to take NT's tax money.

What I get from this is that the only reason you're happy is because you're taking money from other people, so you can sit on your ass all day. That's why you should be ashamed of yourself. You're not happy because you needed it, but because you wanted to take money from "normal" people, and because you don't want to work.

Also, my thoughts and motives for what? Calling you out as a fraud?



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19 May 2010, 8:05 pm

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You've had debilitating anxiety disorder???? I am shocked. I did not know that. Will you take a look at my blog sometime and give me a critique if you do not mind? I do want to be able to work at somepoint. I've even been to voc-rehab. Apparently they gave me the wrong appointment day or I misunderstood myself.

Sure thing! I shall! Doesn't anxiety suck!! !



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19 May 2010, 8:07 pm

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"There are no absolutes."


There is one problem with this statement here. This statement is an absolute. If there are no absolutes then we can't have this statement be an absolute as well. We have a paradox here. If we say that it is not true that there are no absolutes then it really says that Sometimes, there are some things that are absolutes and sometimes things are non-absolute.

This means we have absolutes within certain subsets and contexts but once we leave them they're not so absolute. Cyborg, I took it a step futher then you did.

I'm not satisfied with just taking the taxpayers money. I want to be able to work.



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19 May 2010, 8:08 pm

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cubedemon6073 wrote:
You've had debilitating anxiety disorder???? I am shocked. I did not know that. Will you take a look at my blog sometime and give me a critique if you do not mind? I do want to be able to work at somepoint. I've even been to voc-rehab. Apparently they gave me the wrong appointment day or I misunderstood myself.

Sure thing! I shall! Doesn't anxiety suck!! !


Your blog doesn't seem to be on your profile. E-mail me at [email protected].



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19 May 2010, 8:14 pm

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How about we switch the focus off me for one second and you answer the question I posed to you twice already? How about we make a case for you? What is it about HAPPILY accepting disability checks that gets your panties in such a wad? Why should I feel shame for doing so? For some reason you feel it is perfectly acceptable for me to go examine my own thoughts and motives but you seem reluctant to do so, why is that? I already know the answer and I think you might as well, but I really want to see you admit it.

Ok... I've already answered this, but obviously you didn't catch it, so I'll spell it out for you.

If you were happy to be getting disability because you wouldn't be living out on the street, this would be an entirely different story. However, you're happy because by your own words...
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I am more than happy to take NT's tax money.

What I get from this is that the only reason you're happy is because you're taking money from other people, so you can sit on your ass all day. That's why you should be ashamed of yourself. You're not happy because you needed it, but because you wanted to take money from "normal" people, and because you don't want to work.

Also, my thoughts and motives for what? Calling you out as a fraud?


So far 3 people have understood the subject of this thread and I think it's a little too deep for you to grasp. Go do something else for a while, obsessive fixation isn't going to do you any good.



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19 May 2010, 8:33 pm

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"There are no absolutes."


There is one problem with this statement here. This statement is an absolute. If there are no absolutes then we can't have this statement be an absolute as well. We have a paradox here. If we say that it is not true that there are no absolutes then it really says that Sometimes, there are some things that are absolutes and sometimes things are non-absolute.

This means we have absolutes within certain subsets and contexts but once we leave them they're not so absolute. Cyborg, I took it a step futher then you did.

I'm not satisfied with just taking the taxpayers money. I want to be able to work.


You're right about that but what I am saying is that we collectively create our own reality. If we happen to fall into the gap that most people fall into then we don't feel the effects of society and accept it as truth, but if we do not fit into that gap then we feel and see the effects of it, and it's not always pleasant to be mashed into a hole that isn't the size and shape we happen to be (hence the name of this website, and the people who don't understand these concepts relentlessly trying to press me with their conditioned thought mechanisms who should probably be hanging out at rightplanet.net instead). So some of us who don't fit are able to get away from the subsets and contexts and see things from a not so absolute perspective. Once we are away from these subsets and contexts we are able to create our own if we wish or simply observe others in interesting ways, much to the behest of those who are unable to remove themselves.

I want to be able to want to be able to work. I just don't want to, and even if I did I know I wouldn't be able to anyway, so why bother?



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19 May 2010, 8:46 pm

I, for one, share Cyborg's sentiments completely.

I have two Master of Science degrees, and used to have a high salary. Now, I really can't do anything any more.

The fact of the matter is: most of the people who are "working" aren't doing anything more useful than the people collecting disability payments anyway.

Although my perceptions may be jaded by my experiences as a government employee.



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19 May 2010, 8:52 pm

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The fact of the matter is: most of the people who are "working" aren't doing anything more useful than the people collecting disability payments anyway.


Lol, well said.



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20 May 2010, 5:33 am

I am just wanting work that doesnt take more out of me than i can give. I dont know what that is yet though.


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20 May 2010, 5:54 am

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I am proud to say it too! When you have sensory issues, anxiety/panic/depression, social difficulties, and all the other problems that occur when NTs are around I am proud to say I don't want to do it!

I am more than happy to take NT's tax money to pay for my disability checks and medicaid. To quote the movie Fight Club, "I call it an a**hole tax".

Thanks uncle Sam!


I can understand that in YOUR case, it might be the best option, but working has it's benefits.

1. It gives you something to do. I used to hate working, but in truth, if I stayed home all the time, I'd go crazy.

2. Having a job (even if you work alone, hint hint) gives you a feeling of empowerment and self-sufficiency. Yeah, there's a lot you can't do, but here's something you CAN do.

3. Maybe it's just me, but having dealt with welfare (as a case manager and as a one-time recipient), I can tell you I'll be damned if I go back on the government dole. It was a demeaning and insulting experience, and I sure as heck don't want some government peon telling me what I can and can't do because I get some pathetic amount of money from them once a month. I could beg on the street and make more money AND be free of government dictates.