Can I appeal to anti-discrimination laws as a non citizen?

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18 Jun 2016, 11:25 am

Chichikov wrote:

I don't think I said either of those things, so who is building straw man arguments now.
It seems you are playing word games to avoid facing up to the basics of what you are suggesting.

Ah, that's funny. Now you're abandoning your own arguments and blaming me for "playing word games".
As a side note: I don't think that hinting at a thing and saying the same thing directly are really different.

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"I think I deserve the job and if I don't get it it must be because you are discriminating due to ASD, so I get the job or I sue"
That is the bare bones of your argument, that is the core of what you are saying.

Not, that's just another straw man. I know my experience, you don't. As I wrote before, one of the projects I've done at my last job is currently on the company's showcase, and that company is worth more than $100 million. This should tell something.

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That's irrelevant

If it's irrelevant, you shouldn't have talked about it.

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Effectively, people who are like them.

Exactly, sir. And now you should look up a definition of the word "discrimination" in the dictionary.

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If you want to live in an NT world you need to play their games.

I think that making people respect you despite your difference is one of those games.
I have no idea why you're trying to whitewash them. Looks like you've became a victim of the Stockholm syndrome.

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18 Jun 2016, 11:33 am

Fnord wrote:

You seem to be trying to argue your way into a job through this thread.

No, I just don't agree to what is not the truth.

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Contentiousness is a job-killer.

And obedience is the must have requirement, but thanks for explaining to a stupid autist. /s

Fnord wrote:

Some people go through the interview process dozens

I've already beaten this number.

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The ones who winge on about how tough it is usually take longer to get hired, if they get hired at all.

Try saying the same to someone black or a feminist.

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18 Jun 2016, 11:41 am

BirdInFlight wrote:

Are you a non-citizen already living in the US and applying for jobs, such as in the case of someone who already holds legal status as a resident alien?

I have a business visitor visa only. Max 6 months in USA every year, but I don't usually stay there for long as it's a waste of money when you don't have a job.

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Just move on -- this stuff probably happens all the time and there's not much anyone can really do about it, being that the company can always prove other reasons.

I'm not getting younger. In my case, pretending that everything is fine will mean dying of starvation when I get too old and this factor damages my job success rate even more. My government, unlike yours, won't give a flying f**k for my problems.

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18 Jun 2016, 11:44 am

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It's also safe to assume some employers are willing to trade off a little bit in technical skill in order to hire a pleasant staffer.

Not "a little bit".
And I don't really understand this obsession about being "pleasant". I had quite a few very pleasant coworkers, but they all were treacherous bastards.

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18 Jun 2016, 12:35 pm

XenoMind wrote:

Fnord wrote:

You seem to be trying to argue your way into a job through this thread.

No, I just don't agree to what is not the truth.

The truth is always the truth, whether you believe it or not.

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Fnord wrote:

Contentiousness is a job-killer.

And obedience is the must have requirement, but thanks for explaining to a stupid autist.

Sarcasm won't help your case, either.

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Fnord wrote:

Some people go through the interview process dozens

I've already beaten this number.

I predict that you will exceed this amount many times over.

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Fnord wrote:

The ones who winge on about how tough it is usually take longer to get , if they get hired at all.

Try saying the same to someone black or a feminist.

I have, and most are either unemployed or under-employed. Those who get hired are often held back or dismissed for their contentious, whiny attitudes and their over-reaching senses of entitlement.

If you are such a great catch, then why aren't you employed in your own country?

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18 Jun 2016, 12:45 pm

Fnord wrote:

The truth is always the truth, whether you believe it or not.

That's very true. And it applies to you, too.

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I predict that you will exceed this amount many times over.

I know. Thanks for explaining again.

Fnord wrote:

I have

I doubt that. If you said to a feminist that she's just a whiner, they would have left you without your job and without your last pants already.

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If you are such a great catch, then why aren't you employed in your own country?

Because I'm fed up with sh***y jobs where you work overtime, spend 3 hours commuting every day and get $1500 a month. Or don't work overtime, don't spend much time commuting and get $500 a month.
And discrimination doesn't just go away when you are in a different country.

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18 Jun 2016, 1:25 pm

A contentious spirit, an over-reaching sense of entitlement, and a lack of marketable job skills will put anyone in the unemployment line.

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18 Jun 2016, 10:35 pm

Fnord wrote:

A contentious spirit, an over-reaching sense of entitlement, and a lack of marketable job skills will put anyone in the unemployment line.

So first you wrote that you would kick out anyone who dares to disagree with you, and now you're blaming me for being "entitled" just because I don't agree with you. That's some expert-level mental gymnastics.

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19 Jun 2016, 10:39 pm

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PS My congratulations for successfuly derailing this topic. Your ego feels better now?

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20 Jun 2016, 9:06 am

Sangsang wrote:

... Employers are hiring folks that are pleasant o deal with, if it's an option. It's also safe to assume some employers are willing to trade off a little bit in technical skill in order to hire a pleasant staffer. This doesn't doom the folks with few soft skills to unemployment. In my experience, it does mean that your technical prowess needs to exceed, BY FAR, the pain-in-the-ass-ness of dealing with your lack of social skills to get hired.

It takes an extremely talented individual to overcome their lack of people skills - otherwise, it does not matter how good your work is if no one wants to work with you.

Thus, it is not an act of discrimination to not hire grumpy, whiny, or contentious people - it's just plain, good business practice.

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20 Jun 2016, 9:10 am

XenoMind wrote:

My congratulations for successfuly derailing this topic. Your ego feels better now?

What do you want: sympathy or advice?

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20 Jun 2016, 9:24 am

Just don't disclose that you're disabled. It doesn't work. You won't get a job if you state that you're disabled. That's the reality.

Forget "politics." It won't work in this case. Maybe after you've been on the job a few years, and demonstrate that they NEED you.

It's better to be pleasant in your interview. And it's better to prove your competence in the interview. Both.

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20 Jun 2016, 9:27 am

Fnord wrote:

XenoMind wrote:

My congratulations for successfuly derailing this topic. Your ego feels better now?

What do you want: sympathy or advice?

I think XenoMind got both from us, and all he gave back was a lot rude comments.

XenoMind, go get a lawyer and try the best you can to fight the discimination you're up against. The users at Wrongplanet have helped you the best we can. Honestly, I think you are rather rude, so please stop writing sarcastic comments and put your energy into finding a lawyer or some other support for your case.

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20 Jun 2016, 12:23 pm

ok wrote:

Fnord wrote:

XenoMind wrote:

My congratulations for successfuly derailing this topic. Your ego feels better now?

What do you want: sympathy or advice?

I think XenoMind got both from us, and all he gave back was a lot rude comments ...

Well, at least we tried. Perhaps one day some lucky American corporation will know the joy of having XenoMind on its payroll!

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21 Jun 2016, 2:13 am

Fnord wrote:

It takes an extremely talented individual to overcome their lack of people skills

Agreed.

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otherwise, it does not matter how good your work is if no one wants to work with you.

... though, not because of this. Lack of social skills means that people will lie to you, sabotage your work to get an advantage, steal your projects, etc.

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Thus, it is not an act of discrimination to not hire grumpy, whiny, or contentious people - it's just plain, good business practice.

Forum is a place where you can say what you think. Job interview is a place where everybody lies. :wink:

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21 Jun 2016, 2:17 am

ok wrote:

I think XenoMind got both from us

I really don't think that saying that I can't do my work properly means "sympathy" or "advice".
And it's really strange that you wrote "us" as you didn't write a single message in this topic before.

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