I Don't WANT to Work!

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'Thanking uncle Sam' would be a lot less glib if you weren't gloating about milking the system at the same time.

I live in the UK, so no, I don't think I owe you any thanks. I am grateful for the state funding for education, but I am well aware that I will more than pay it back in taxes over the next few decades. I don't mind that; I see it as a debt that should be repaid. What I don''t agree with is financing others who choose 'sponging' as a lifestyle choice, rather than a necessity or a stop gap between jobs.

See, you really need to read. I am NOT milking the system, I am a legitimate disability case. The only problem people have with me is I am willing to be happy to accept it and not feel like a loser. You can't tell me you don't milk the system, you use the highways that other people paid for, and all the other services I mentioned that our tax dollars pay. Hell, I STILL pay taxes even on disability. Get off my roads if you don't like what I have to say.

But why?????? Is it just spite? If your talents could make you money from home, why wouldn't you use that opportunity? I understand not working because of disability. There are a lot of people on this site (and not on this site) who aren't in paid employment but rather on diability. I get that. I don't get this wierd attitude that there is something inherently wrong with working. What about doing things that benefit others but don't earn buckets of money? What about things that benefit other autistic people??? There is a poster here who lives in a group home and volunteers with other autistic adults. There is another poster (on disability, with an aid) who works with autism researchers to educate them about the true nature of autism, clearing away some of their misconceptions. There are lots of posters who work from home. Do you do anything? I just don't get that.

No, I don't do anything right now except try to stay sane. I haven't been on meds for long, and before meds life was pure hell for me. I am just taking a break from everything and resting after 30 something years of hypersensitivity and panic disorder. I have thought about doing things that involve working with autistics, but doing anything right now just isn't possible. I said to somebody earlier I want to be able to want to work. I don't have anything against people who are able to work, except maybe a drop of envy.

It's torture in itself to not want to do *anything*. I used to have a lot of different things I was passionate about, but now I can't find anything to occupy me. I used to enjoy doing my art but now I can't bring myself to pick up a pencil or a brush. It's really frustrating, but hopefully given some time I will find some sort of will to do something other than sitting here wishing I had something I was interested in doing that didn't drive me into a fit of frustration every time I tried.

You seem like you genuinely want to know, so there you go, a genuine answer. Sorry if I was harsh with you, it's hard not to be when you are being attacked by a mob of angry internet trolls who just want to throw insults at you and not even think about what has been said.

Thank you for the detailed answer. It makes a lot more sense to me now.

Thanks for making a genuine inquiry rather than an accusatory one. Maybe I should start hating people with AS instead of NTs (hah jk).

That's the first time you've answered anything detailing the difference between being disabled, and the attitude you paired with your statements. However, I will tell you that accusing people of being trolls and attacking them personally isn't generally looked upon too kindly as this is a support site. I've addressed your statements and the position you have taken, and offered my opinions on them; at no point were you targeted or insulted. As to your comments - it was your decision to bring my diagnostic status as an attempt to "weaken" my point of discussion, not mine. I'm not sure how it is stooping to anyone's level to point out the obvious... however, it is telling when you refuse to refute what was said and revert to other strategies.

If you seek a place without critical analysis, The Haven is your best location for such discussion. Given your explanation, I can understand taking time for yourself to heal and find direction. But I still take offense at how you presented your position in the OP, as it implied demand without grace and expectation without balance. If that troubles you, so be it, but you should take the time to reread your own posts at some point when you are feeling less defensive.

M.

Had you shown some tact with your "questions" then maybe I would have engaged in a discussion with you, but I don't give in to people when they accusingly demand answers out of me.

Ok, apologies for not picking up on that, but there are 5 pages already here, and if you start off your thread with phrases like;



...can you not understand why people are getting upset? Not only are you happy to accept welfare, but you also appear to be biting the hands that feed you by calling them 'a**holes'. Whether you are 'happy' to be relieved of working or not, it's unfair to those that are working and providing for you to not at least have the decency to be respectful to them for doing so.

They know they could have it a lot easier if they just quit the 'social construct' and refused to work, but if everyone did that, then who would pay for it all? I'm not suggesting that people hold onto their jobs completely out of altruism, but give the workers a break; they are entitled to moan because they hate their jobs. Whilst you may be relieved and happy that you don't have to work, I think a small price to pay would be not to rub it in how much you are enjoying, what to them, is a permanant vacation at their expense; think how galling it must be for them!



Again, I repeat, I don't live in America. I've never used you highways. I use the highways that others have paid for in my country, on the understanding that I will also pay for highways when I start paying taxes myself. That seems fair enough to me.

Looking at it one way, I agree with you, there may be a lot of people who work miserable jobs who would be happier without them, but unfortunately, life's not fair. If only the people who wanted to work had jobs, the economy would collapse eventually.

Simply stating that you feel happier not working is not a bad thing in itself, but if everyone who hated their jobs decided the same thing, they'd all quit. Except for the 'social construct' that keeps people inside. I agree with you, it is a social construct but it works, and more importantly, it needs to work.

I don't know what it's like in America, but where I am originally from, our welfare system is ridiculously easy to get on and stay on indefinitely. I have seen generations of families who all sign on to the dole when they come of age and never come off it or even try to seek other employment. Their attitude is similar to the post you made at the start of your thread; that they are happy to be on benefits and for NTs/the state/anyone but them to pay for it all. These people will never change, and their children will sign on to benefits as well. Since they never plan to work, they drop out of school as early as possible. They have as many kids as they can, as early as possible to get child support and all together they make up a huge non-working class that litters the lower socio-economic strata of the country. Drug use and alcholism is rife, and partly due to sheer boredom. It's tragic and hard to get out of. Especially since in my country, once you take taxes into account, you earn less working at minimum wage than you 'earn' in benefits each week. It's no wonder they see everyone with a job as a gullible idiot, and those with jobs in turn see them as leeches.

I don't know if that bears any resemblance to what your country is like, but I described this so you can understand a bit more about why I am viscerally opposed to advocating a 'work free' life for anyone who can manage any kind of work at all, whether they are 'happier' unemployed or not.

As I said before, apologies if you genuinely cannot work. I did not pick up on that due to the way you framed your initial post. I don't think you should feel bad about being temporarily unemployed or on disability; it exists to help people who cannot gain employment at a particular time, for whatever reason that may be. I don't think you should feel ashamed for being unable to work, but equally, I don't believe that not working should be a source of pride, or justified as 'breaking free' from society.

Anyway, sorry if that doesn't make a lot of sense. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me sometimes either. I don't think this is about your case exactly, since you seem to have a legit reason, even if initial post was a little distasteful. It's more the general idea that people who don't like working shouldn't work... seen too much of that around here and it's not pretty...

...one comes to an ASD website, expecting tact...

Methinks you might want to reconsider your expectations.

I am blunt by nature, and when I have an opinion it isn't written in beach sand. If you have a problem with how I address you, then speak to that issue and don't avoid the subject at hand through insult. I have taken great care to address your words, the semantics behind your word selection, and the implications thereof in how it reflects on you as well as how that mentality affects and reflects on others. I take responsibility for my words; will you?


M.

Yeah the exact same thing goes on here. I don't know what country you are in but disability here pays less than working at a McDonalds. There are also women here try to get as many kids as they can so they can collect multiple child support checks. Believe me, I am just as disgusted by people getting a free ride at other's expense as you are (I fell for that one myself and ended up having to pay child support for basically being a sperm donor).

My OP was intended to provoke a response from the sort of people who think ANYBODY on disability (legitimate or not) should feel bad for doing so and should be branded second class citizens. Essentially this post was an experiment because I know those people exist and I wanted to see if there was any sort of intellectual reasoning behind that sort of logic.

Disability is a godsend for some people, and it's not wrong to not want to work when working is physically or mentally painful to the point of being completely terrorized by it.

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See number 1...

If you want to poll peoples' opinions, it's probably best to be more open about your intentions in future. People here are usually more than blunt and will give you their honest opinion straight out if you ask for it.

For me, I have realised a fewyears ago that i cannot contribute in the way that most people can. I ended up in a really ba situation because I didnt listen to my body and my mind and pushed myself for years- 10 years- until I burned out.

I would dearly love to be able to contribute, and get out of this welfare trap that I am in. Some of the people I have dealt with in the welfare office are ok, but I have had to meet with a few lately that I wondered if they werent more suited to being SS officers, they seemed to enjoy cutting pieces off my benefit, a sort of sadism. Now all my savings are gone and I am in the position of being semi-dependent on others, people who arent my parents even. I know what it is like to be poor now and I actually understand why people get involved in crime and cannot get out of this situation. The amount that most people get wth the unemployment or disability benefit is so small that it is difficult to live on, and pretty dehumanising to be stuck on, having to pretty much beg some stony-faced social workers every three months for it.

What i dont get is how other aspies are being so mean to others. Great that you can work,but not everyone is as fortunate. And I hope that the people who actually can work never find themselves in that position.

What about these bankers that swindled the country for trillions of dollars? Aren't they much more heinous leeches than people living on disability pensions?

The country would have been much better served if these particular people had never "worked" in the first place and simply lived on disability payments.

I'm working again for the first time in like 8 months and its like I'm right back where I was before I quit my last job. I know where you're coming from, a part of me hates "not wanting to work", but at the same time I'm growing some acceptance of my situation. I'll probably end up on disability while I recover and try and figure out what to do next, and while I wish I didn't have to, I'm pretty much left without any other choice.

15 jobs in the last 10 years, just thinking about it makes me sick. I would be happier just watching grass blow in the wind for 8 hours a day.

I disagree and here is why. http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt124782.html