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22 May 2010, 12:18 am

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You seriously think anxiety, the absolute WORST thing a human being can feel isn't disabling? If you had 10 men holding you on the ground ready to gang rape you, would you be nervous at all? No, you would be freaking the hell out! Imagine living life with that feeling every single day your entire life and tell me it isn't disabling.

If your anxiety is that bad, how did you manage to get 2 college degrees, but you can't last in a job for more than a week? That makes absolutely no sense. Plus you say that you take Xanax which makes it a lot better... You're really not helping your case here. Not to mention the fact that if your anxiety was really that bad, a disability check every month wouldn't give you "solace". You'd still be having panic attacks constantly/


Agreed. I have anxiety too, been diagnosed with 'gad-nos' (I think anxiety is pretty much a spectrum thing). I applied for disability at one point because I have two chronic diseases, but surprisingly I did not qualify. Unlike you have stated though, I have a strong desire to work, but at this point I feel like I'm unable to. I've been called lazy, a brat, etc for not working, but the irony is that I actually have been jealous of those who are healthy enough to work. I'm in college right now, and I've had major anxiety at times because of it. It was recommended I drop some courses and at one point recommended I drop altogether...I don't understand how you have two college degrees if you say you are as disabled as you are.

Also, I commented on your thread about combining stimulants with xanax before I read this one. If you have severe anxiety there is no way I would recommend you take uppers. I can't imagine anyone would give them to you if you have disabling anxiety.



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22 May 2010, 6:58 am

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Will you help me to change the world cyborg? Will you help me to keep refining dynamic honesty and get it closer and closer to infinity. Will you try to help me to implement this around the world?


Unfortunately I don't think the world will ever accept such a thing, just take a look at some of the people posting in this thread. A lot of people are lost causes and will never figure out this sort of thing. It's casting your pearl before swine. The truth can be right in their faces and they wouldn't know it or would refuse to believe it. It's really not worth the effort to do anything more than speak to those who are willing to listen. Christ himself wasn't able to talk sense into the people who landed him on the cross.


I have hope someday it will. You're limiting your vision my friend. I'm thinking of the world of the future like 200 years from now. 500 years. 1000 years. 5000 years.

With Christ, Over 2000 years passed and the world is a bit better than it was during his time was it not? We don't have human sacrifice anymore and other barbaric stuff do we not? I think things will become better but I think it takes time slowly. It could take 5000 years. This is the vision I'm talking about and I want to implement.

I ask you again my brother, will you help to implement this?



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22 May 2010, 7:28 am

astaut wrote:
I don't understand how you have two college degrees if you say you are as disabled as you are.


I don't understand how you got on the internet as stupid as you are.

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If your anxiety is that bad, how did you manage to get 2 college degrees, but you can't last in a job for more than a week? That makes absolutely no sense. Plus you say that you take Xanax which makes it a lot better... You're really not helping your case here. Not to mention the fact that if your anxiety was really that bad, a disability check every month wouldn't give you "solace". You'd still be having panic attacks constantly/


Art School != job. Obviously neither of you have been to a school. Stop trying to think before you hurt yourselves,



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22 May 2010, 7:23 pm

Cyb0rg please do not insult the people who are trying to understand your point of view. Personal attacks do not give you an upper hand.


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22 May 2010, 7:29 pm

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22 May 2010, 8:42 pm

Kind of random, but by NT did you mean "NeuroTypical" or the Myer-Briggs NT Rationals?

I just realized that you probably meant the former! I thought you were talking about the NT personality type; ... sorry about that!



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24 May 2010, 12:30 am

When I first read the OP's initial post, I wondered if he was being outrageous to stimulate debate, rather than stating an opinion. Seems the last 6 pages have proved me wrong.

Personally I've had moments when my personality and lack of social skills have driven my co-workers up the wall, I take it to heart and just wish I didn't have to be in that situation, ergo I wish I didn't have to work. But they were just flashes, my rational side would kick in very quickly, thoughts of being poor and not having my privacy bringing me back to normal. Being married has helped too, It wouldn't be just me who'd suffer.

I would never even have considered going 'on the sick' as they used to say back in the the UK. I tend to daydream about winning the lottery and becoming some kind of recluse.



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25 May 2010, 12:44 am

I don't know anymore. I spent my entire adult life working low paying jobs because I cannot pass the math aptitude tests the good paying companies put out to weed out people like me. The ones that do not have aptitude tests hold interviews where I become nervous, sweaty, shaky, and make no eye contact causing me to fail the interview. I have never had a job where I had to interview for. I got jobs through friends who felt sorry for me or through a low paying temp company, my friends are all gone and the temp service I used went out of business. The other temp services have math tests you have to take. I am going for job training in a medical billing where I have a feeling I will not do well but it was the only job training that did not involved math skills, working with loud machines, touching people. or working with electrcity. If I fail at this I will be screwed beyond belief I am laid off now and could not even secure a job at Wal-Mart or Target. If I was to go on ssi/disability I will be making slightly more than my unemployment benifits i am getting right now,

For the 22 years I have worked I have recieved nothing but insults and mistreatment from co-workers and taken advantage of by bosses and temp services. I have never been able to afford to live independently with what I made. I have tried and have nothing to show for it except anger and self hate. I often wonder if I would have been a better person if I was not exposed to all the @$$holes who I had to work with over the years. Cyb0rg, all I have to say its not really worth it. Busted my but, for what so I could say I am better then some welfare dependent? Right now I I am still debating wheather or not to get tested for Aspergers just in case I fail at medical billing and need to go on disability, Screw what people think of me at least I tried, :cry:



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29 May 2010, 7:47 pm

I work in a job where it is 100% human interaction, appliance sales, it is HELL for me. I manage to get through each day and I am finding my trips to the break room to be less and less each day I work. I would much rather be a comic book inker, and if I were offered a job in that field that paid me enough to pay my bills and afford to have fun, I would leave in a second. Why am I doing it? One reason, to FORCE myself to learn how to interact with people( being unemployed AND having asperger's means a two year time of NOT really interacting with people) Two, I need the money and jobs here are few and far between. Three, the money is good some weeks. Four, it's kind of a rush when you sell a full Electrolux kitchen set and know that you just made 300 bucks for an hour's worth of work...


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31 May 2010, 7:30 pm

Wow...just Wow, I live if fear of people and yet I still work.



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01 Jun 2010, 4:49 am

This whole discussion is reminding me of an Ayn Rand novel. Hope you're doing something purposeful with your life on my tax dollars, even if it's to indulge in a special interest.
And the way you said you are happy to collect off the NTs. Forgive me if that statement came across as you being spiteful toward them. Are you?



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02 Jun 2010, 9:20 pm

I've been trying to get a job for years with no avail, so as long as I'm unemployed I'm going to collect the disability benefit. It's better to be on it than not on it if your unemplyed getting money than no money at all and I coudnt care less about the peoples tax dollars it's going to go towards people collecting benefits anyway. I mean it's there for a reason so you might aswell take advantage of it.



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02 Jun 2010, 10:20 pm

I guess acceptance of the situation is good. That's something I probably wouldn't be very good at. The reason I think so, is because I don't like my unemplyement benifits as it is. If I wasn't able to work, and had to get disability, I suspect it would reinforce in my mind what I learned growing up. "earning money is what makes you worth anything. If you don't work you are nothing but a burdon, taking up space!" Let me admit that, that concept doesn't help anyone in the slightest.



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05 Jun 2010, 1:09 am

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This whole discussion is reminding me of an Ayn Rand novel. Hope you're doing something purposeful with your life on my tax dollars, even if it's to indulge in a special interest.



Oh you mean like the purposeful things the government does with
your tax dollars in order to make the world safe for the good Miss
Rand's heroic businessmen?


You know.... like bombing and agent oranging villages in southeast Asia, funding
and arming right-wing paramilitary groups in Central America, killing thousands
of Iraqi civilians, etc....

:roll:



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05 Jun 2010, 5:14 pm

work is more than just about money. it gives you a reason to wake up in the morning, it helps your self esteem because you feel like you are helping out with something and that you have a purpose. just living off benefits wont make you feel good about yourself and will erode your mental health. even if you cant find paid employment, volunteer work can help you psychologically. i havent been able to get a job and depression usually kills me when i do have one, so i volunteer. its not very nice and its slave labor, but i guess its better than doing nothing. the economy is crap here anyway - theres no jobs but working in pensioner hospitals as care workers and call centres.



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06 Jun 2010, 2:02 am

I don't want to work either. But here (midwestern US, single person with no kids) I don't think the welfare system would cover me (and I want to work -- see below).

(I got Social Security Disability [SSDI] payments for a couple of years about 5 years ago, when I had the bone marrow transplant for Hodgkins' Lymphoma, and that was nice. But I kept my goal of supporting myself.)

Right above me, Aspieintheuk said work "gives me a reason to get up in the morning" (although I get up at noon, since I work 6:00 PM to 2:30 AM). I agree with Aspieintheuk. If you want, you can turn supporting yourself and making your way through life as kind of a "game". It has two major components: earn as much as you can, and spend as little as you can.*

And sometimes it has pretty nice rewards (I do appreciate the little things). Like riding a motorcycle home from work in the dead of night, breeze blowing across my forearms (a $600 bike, instead of one that cost 20 times as much, makes me smile even more because it is a better value). Eating an occasional meal at a restaurant. Attending an occasional sporting event that I couldn't afford on welfare money.

* A third component involves adapting to the *_very_* challenging times ahead (in both the world of work [earning] and the costs of living [spending]). People who work hard and plan ahead might not have a perfect lifestyle, but they'll do better than most people.


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