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25 Jun 2009, 5:32 pm

I was called into my boss' office at the beginning of my shift to discuss what he saw as possible "communication issues" between me and my office mate. He said there had been some complaints. I had a chance to speak with her (yes, I was calm) but she denied talking to our boss about this.

In the course of the conversation, though, she did tell me that she didn't feel that the two of us had "gelled" and that we weren't really working as a team. I'm a little mystified. We copy each other on almost every email that goes through our area related to business so that we both know what's going on. We work overlapping shifts so we give each other a quick briefing on the days' occurances at that time, or leave an email if there's something the other needs to know about. Our process seems to work well enough that there are no significant slow-downs due to our area. The process could stand some improvement, of course, but we're operating in a half-paper/ half-digital environment and all the suggestions we've made for increasing the digital portion in order to improve work-flow have been shot down as too expensive or difficult to develop, so we're basically stuck with what we've got. There are a series of spreadsheets that bridge the gaps between the two halves of the process and we both update them regularly.

I'm not sure how to proceed from here. I've told her to let me know if there are specific things she thinks need to be addressed, but it's all kind of vague from her end. Has anyone else had this sort of experience? Am I overlooking something that could help?

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25 Jun 2009, 6:53 pm

Story of my life, and I haven't found a solution.
The problem is that they don't know what they want.
Maybe you're just not warm and fuzzy enough. Or maybe you fail to respond properly to sick jokes that aren't funny.
If I make a tangible mistake that they can name, no matter how trivial, they latch onto it as though it's a federal offense. If I make no mistakes at all, they'll invent stuff. I call it hallucinating.
From what I gather, mentioning Asperger's will only make things worse. I've never tried it.
If you find a useful strategy, I'd love to hear it.



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25 Jun 2009, 8:16 pm

I think it could be she senses you don't want to be girly friends with her. I had a job where there was a lot of gossiping and I was viewed with suspicion because I wasn't interested. Oh, and btw they were men.



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25 Jun 2009, 8:35 pm

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I think it could be she senses you don't want to be girly friends with her.


This may be part of it. She's much more outgoing than I am and I think she was expecting an environment where everyone chatted back and forth all day and joked around. I mainly stick to work topics unless I'm feeling unusually open. She's also admitted feeling a little put out that some of the engineers prefer to wait until my shift to ask questions, even though she's perfectly qualified to answer them, too, and I can understand that. It kind of irritates me, too. She says she likes me well enough, just doesn't feel that we've "gelled," whatever that means. She gave an example, citing the fact that we each have our own way of doing things and our own approaches to the job. I actually thought that was a strength rather than a weakness. Sometimes her approach works out better than mine, sometimes mine works better than hers, but the job gets done either way. I'm just not seeing how this affects our productivity.

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25 Jun 2009, 8:57 pm

Really, when you think about it, it's outrageous that you were called into the office in the first place!



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25 Jun 2009, 11:26 pm

Hi, Patricia. Did the boss tell you what the actual "communication issues" were or what the complaints had been about? At the moment this all sounds very vague. He can't reasonably expect you to change your behaviour if he hasn't told you what you're doing wrong.

If your co-worker has cited your different ways of doing things, that would suggest that she might not like the way you do them. I work with other people and am aware that having a consistent approach to tasks can be important, so maybe the two of you need to sit down together and come to an agreement about how things will be done by BOTH of you so that there are no more misunderstandings.

Another suggestion would be to work on improving the relationship between the two of you. If she is normally a very social person, she may be perceiving you as standoffish. You could perhaps suggest meeting for coffee or you could bring some homemade treat in to share with her, or do some other small thing to establish a bond. These sorts of gestures mean a lot to some people and make them feel more valued as colleagues. Perhaps she feels threatened by your efficiency and thinks that you view her critically- who knows? I really hope things work out for you- no one needs extra stress in the workplace. Jenny



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26 Jun 2009, 7:49 am

"Gelling" often refers to building a pseudo-friendship relationship.

It is, in my opinion, an unprofessional expectation to place on someone because working well with someone does not require that you show any affection towards them, but that's what separates AS people from NT people.



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26 Jun 2009, 12:52 pm

At my last performance review, my boss told me that I annoy some people. Of course I asked what he meant. Who did I annoy, how did I annoy them, etc. And my boss didnt want to tell me who complained or what they complained about because 'it wasn't important'. But he did give me advice to be more professional in the future.

To be honest I have no idea how I could annoy anybody. I only interact with other people when I am getting an assignment, or handing a completed assignment off to somebody else. But apparently something I did bothers people.



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26 Jun 2009, 4:22 pm

bossses (and especially HR) are caught between 'addressing the issue', and 'avoiding actionable consequences'. They don't want to tell you, in case you go to court with it.

If this is just a 'one-off' complaint, you've tried to communicate, and resolve the issue. Take notes, and keep them available. If it happens again, you have every right to ask for specifics as to the action, or behaviors they're having trouble with, but probably they won't volunteer anything that identifies it with specific people.

good luck.



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26 Jun 2009, 10:35 pm

Thanks to all who have tried to help me sort this out. It's still a bit confusing without specifics to go on. If it comes up again, I'll try to pin them down to specific things they think I can do to help matters. Other things have come up today that may render the whole question moot, anyway. <sigh>

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26 Jun 2009, 11:15 pm

pschristmas wrote:
Has anyone else had this sort of experience? Am I overlooking something that could help?

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Patricia


I don't think we'd be here if it wasn't the story of our lives. I always run into this at work - someone just can't stand me. I did just write something on the social thread. I hope I am not excommunicated if I double post it :?

I have thought about relationships a lot. I have carefully studied them and still don't quite understand how they consolidate.

I have tried being authentic, nice, helpful, funny, etc and it doesn't quite jell relationships. I have seen friends be selfish, backbiting, jerks to each other and still be friends.

I have decided, like the mystery of nonverbal communication, that there is a subtle consecutiveness that happens between NTs that stronger than the negative behaviors I see in their relationships that doesn't seem to happen between others and me. It is elusive and I cannot figure out how to harness it.

It’s the same way with nonverbal communication. "They" say it can make up 60% of a conversation (how do “they” measure it?). Its like reading a book that someone has randomly cut out holes throughout the pages. I read today on one of the threads that people who have a hard time looking another in the eye are considered suspiciously.

Maybe it is the illiteracy with nonverbal communication that inhibits the formation of the bonds of friendship. Maybe talk and overt actions are superficial and nonverbal runs deep into the subconscious where bonds are formed…?


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27 Jun 2009, 9:35 am

I work alone on my job and only see clients for the duration of the job. Other people work in teams and I don't think I could tolerate trying to come up with chit chat for that long. In other job situations I usually develop at least a comfortable working relationship if not a friendship after time. Sometimes co workers tell me they were afraid to approach me at first. I must be sending off vibes.



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27 Jun 2009, 12:04 pm

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I don't think I could tolerate trying to come up with chit chat for that long.


Why is simple little 'chit chat' is sooo hard!! And why do people do it?


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In other job situations I usually develop at least a comfortable working relationship if not a friendship after time. Sometimes co workers tell me they were afraid to approach me at first. I must be sending off vibes.


I get along with most people and I can do my job competently. It seems though, that every place in which I've worked has one person who takes major exception to me and works it.

I do not have the skills to deal with this and I don't seem to engage the loyalty of the workers I do get along with enough for them to step in and help me. I eventually just leave.

I have stayed at each job two years and then I move on and start over. These frequent transitions are stressful, but less so than dealing with someone out to get me. I have tried coming out of the closet, which hasn't worked yet. In fact it alienated some people who were formally nice to me.

Has anyone taken assertiveness training? Was it helpful? Through these years of employment, my insurance has only paid for limited visits and then with a $25.00 co-pay. $100.00/month ends up being a major hit on my budget, but I would do it if I got positive return for my money.


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29 Jun 2009, 2:31 am

pschristmas wrote:
I was called into my boss' office at the beginning of my shift to discuss what he saw as possible "communication issues" between me and my office mate. He said there had been some complaints. I had a chance to speak with her (yes, I was calm) but she denied talking to our boss about this.

In the course of the conversation, though, she did tell me that she didn't feel that the two of us had "gelled" and that we weren't really working as a team. I'm a little mystified. We copy each other on almost every email that goes through our area related to business so that we both know what's going on. We work overlapping shifts so we give each other a quick briefing on the days' occurances at that time, or leave an email if there's something the other needs to know about. Our process seems to work well enough that there are no significant slow-downs due to our area. The process could stand some improvement, of course, but we're operating in a half-paper/ half-digital environment and all the suggestions we've made for increasing the digital portion in order to improve work-flow have been shot down as too expensive or difficult to develop, so we're basically stuck with what we've got. There are a series of spreadsheets that bridge the gaps between the two halves of the process and we both update them regularly.

I'm not sure how to proceed from here. I've told her to let me know if there are specific things she thinks need to be addressed, but it's all kind of vague from her end. Has anyone else had this sort of experience? Am I overlooking something that could help?

Regards,

Patricia


Yes . We need to start a company that hires only asperger people. I have heard ' you are doing a great job' then within a day or week ' we have decided to change the position to include more duties, goodbye', and was fired. I have been fired for explaining I could not do the work of five people or work for five bosses, for not being 'quick' enough on picking up motor skill tasks (talk about feeling bad! These are tasks that even small children can do), I have had no reports or the vagueness that you have experienced, I received GREAT employment review from some companies, with an added note that said I 'shelved books too loudly;'. When I disagreed about this, they made a huge issue, wanted to call a meeting with the district manager, just ridiculous ! If the person is not being specific enough after you requested them to be specific, perhaps we should say to the person " I am here to do a job and accomplish a task, that is all.. getting along with you or your liking me is really immaterial'. What do you have to lose? If they are going to fire you anyway.. I see a lot of jerky people who are very rude keeping their jobs for 20-35 yrs.



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29 Jun 2009, 2:38 am

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I think it could be she senses you don't want to be girly friends with her. I had a job where there was a lot of gossiping and I was viewed with suspicion because I wasn't interested. Oh, and btw they were men.


Yeah, and the advice we got was useless. I was told 'talk' ,then 'don't talk' at work. Either way didn't work. Then the people I asked advice from got really snotty and told me 'don't ask us for advice anymore' when their work advice didn't work for me.


Not participating in gossip or dirty jokes made me look arrogant, and answering questions they asked but didn't like the answer to also didn't work in the long run, Best is to find a balance.. say 'hmmm'' a lot and smile at their complaints and gossip and say 'oh yeah'. That worked for me.
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29 Jun 2009, 2:40 am

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Really, when you think about it, it's outrageous that you were called into the office in the first place!


I agree! How about trying my mother's approach of saying 'what is this all about?' Then if they repeat the 'gel' comment, say 'I don't understand'. You had a MUCH better friday than I did.. I was three minutes late to work due to running on a fractured toe after bus didn't show up on time, got yelled at in front of the entire staff, and was told 'if you can't be here on time'..