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Brittany2907
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02 Dec 2007, 11:35 pm

I dropped out of high school. Not sure what the future will hold for me now as employment is concerned.

Is anyone here a "high school drop out" with a successful job/career???
What is it???


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02 Dec 2007, 11:53 pm

Why did you drop out of high school? A lot of places require that you have at least a High School diploma or GED.

My friend dropped out of high school, and now all he does is drywalling for $10/hr.



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03 Dec 2007, 12:00 am

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Why did you drop out of high school? A lot of places require that you have at least a High School diploma or GED.

My friend dropped out of high school, and now all he does is drywalling for $10/hr.


He should consider himself lucky.


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05 Dec 2007, 5:09 am

Brittany2907 wrote:
I dropped out of high school. Not sure what the future will hold for me now as employment is concerned.

Is anyone here a "high school drop out" with a successful job/career???
What is it???


There are always options.

I dropped out and managed to make a living (sometimes a REALLY good living), but I always ended up quitting those jobs because I hated them, they were not what I wanted to do, and I was being forced into doing things which were simply not right to do.

Dropping out of school was the smartest thing I ever did - you don't learn a goddamn thing, in fact they destroy your ability to think. The only drawback about being a high school dropout is that there is a stigma attached to it. The only benefit to a high school diploma is that there is a positive stigma to it, a stigma which says, "this person will put up with abuse, crap, torture and mental slavery, this person is a willing, groveling slave who needs to be pushed and bossed." This is what many employers want, and 3/4 of university degrees are the same thing. An "English Degree" is simply another term for "spending thousands of dollars so you can be handed a list of books to read."

If you have a diagnosis and a thorough medical history, you might consider speaking with your doctor or psychiatrist about getting a permanent disability pension, rebates on housing, etc. A lot of the time those who know how to game the government system are well ahead of others, the willing wage slaves. There's no need to feel "guilty" about this either, the government stole this money from other people, and would just spend it somewhere else anyways.

If you decide to go this route, it can be a lot easier on you, you can spend your time, like you do now, on your interests. There's a better chance that when you get a place of your own you won't need to have a roomate if your cheque covers the rent costs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disability_pension

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In New Zealand income support exists for people with physical or mental health issues. The two main disability benefits are the Sickness Benefit, and the Invalid's Benefit. A doctor's referral and medical certificate (or equivalent) is needed to claim the benefits. The Invalids Benefit is for someone who has a severe disability, and/or long term sickness, which is paid slightly more than the Sickness Benefit. In addition, there is the Disability Allowance, to supplement medical costs. If the Disability Allowance does not pay for all medical costs, then Temporary Additional Support is provided, but obtaining it is more difficult. All of these benefits have maximum limits, depending on such things as income (both the individual and their partner) and cash assets. Note that the Sickness Benefit and Invalid's Benefit are for people aged less than 65 but the Disability Allowance is for anyone over 18 years.


It gets you out of your house, out on your own, able to pursue your interests in your own way, without being hassled too much by people that would try and manipulate you, like shifty roommates. A 16 year old girl is considered prey to many people, and a 16 year old aspie girl even moreso.

It doesn't need to be permanent either. You can maybe volunteer a couple times a week with a charity that does work with animals. Work experience almost always counts more than a degree. There are plenty of charities that bring dogs around to old-age homes and disabled kids, and if you can get in on the ground floor and prove yourself without having to worry about making a living at it as well, you can reduce your stress level and learn much more quickly. Plus, an employer can make you beholden to them, while a charity that you work for free at doesn't have the same leverage.

Now, that may not be the route you wish to take, but it IS an alternative to burger flipping and trying to live off Ramen noodles for a few decades :)


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07 Dec 2007, 12:38 am

Hmmmmmm ... encouraging people to drop out of school and go on disability so they don't have to work? Is that really a good solution to the problem? Really?

I understand your thoughts about wage slavery and such, but most people find a level of happiness within the herd mentality.

I recommend getting a highschool equivalency diploma and then going immediately to either community college or a vocational school. That way you can avoid the highschool BS. It's a harder path, but doable. Why not advance your opportunities through education and then decide if you want to go on disability? You'll most likely hate yourself later for giving up now!

Continue your education at all costs! You won't regret the accomplishments! You can always change your life later if you don't like it, but give yourself a chance now!



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07 Dec 2007, 2:22 am

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Hmmmmmm ... encouraging people to drop out of school and go on disability so they don't have to work? Is that really a good solution to the problem? Really?


Try reading what I said instead of trying to score points, you condescending a**hole.

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It doesn't need to be permanent either. You can maybe volunteer a couple times a week with a charity that does work with animals. Work experience almost always counts more than a degree. There are plenty of charities that bring dogs around to old-age homes and disabled kids, and if you can get in on the ground floor and prove yourself without having to worry about making a living at it as well, you can reduce your stress level and learn much more quickly. Plus, an employer can make you beholden to them, while a charity that you work for free at doesn't have the same leverage.


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07 Dec 2007, 3:00 am

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Try reading what I said instead of trying to score points, you condescending a**hole.


Wow, you really take this 'terror' stuff seriously.

Edit: I have problems finding a job and I am a high school graduate almost done with a degree... so nothing is a guarantee.

I agree with Kurtz that school is largely a waste of time. You can learn so much more on your own.

But then again, the 'paper' is important to many. It's pretty easy to just coast and get through the system of public schools... they really don't want to have people not graduate.

I'd just go back somehow and get the diploma.


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07 Dec 2007, 4:28 am

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Wow, you really take this 'terror' stuff seriously.


I take honesty and utility seriously. I take the safety of the young and defenseless seriously.

She isn't an idiot. She quit school for a reason.

And I really hate it when people twist my words in order to make themselves look superior.


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07 Dec 2007, 4:40 am

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And I really hate it when people twist my words in order to make themselves look superior.


Yeah, that's annoying.

Is that what he did there though? I didn't read it as quite so condescending, quick to respond without considering your arguments though.


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07 Dec 2007, 5:15 pm

Ok, this isn't encouraging someone to drop out of school?

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Dropping out of school was the smartest thing I ever did - you don't learn a goddamn thing, in fact they destroy your ability to think.


Ok, this isn't encouraging someone to go on disability rather than face their problems?

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... you might consider speaking with your doctor or psychiatrist about getting a permanent disability pension, rebates on housing, etc. A lot of the time those who know how to game the government system are well ahead of others, the willing wage slaves. There's no need to feel "guilty" about this either, the government stole this money from other people, and would just spend it somewhere else anyways.

If you decide to go this route, it can be a lot easier on you, you can spend your time, like you do now, on your interests.


I'm not trying to twist any words. The only person here trying to look superior here is you, with your comments about wage slaves and how much BS school is!! ! I don't necessarily disagree with you on either count, but I don't think encouraging young people down that path is such a good thing. Few people have the mentality to cope with living outside of the accepted social structure of our society. Maybe you do, and that's fine, but I'm not sure it should be encouraged to everyone. If she persues her education and then decides to accept the viewpoint of wage slavery and such, then that's fine, but without an education there isn't a lot of options. One can financially succeed without it, but it's VERY rare and FAR more difficult. Thus, that path should not be so easily encouraged, especially to someone so young and possibly impressionable.

I was trying to recommend how she could get an education while avoiding the BS of highschool. Thereby suggesting a path that she may find a little easier, but ultimately reach the same goal. I'm not sure where I was being condescending? If I stated my opinion matter-of-factly, that is no worse than how you stated yours. But since I disagree with you, that clearly makes me a "condescending <explative>"



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08 Dec 2007, 1:31 pm

Stewie wrote:
One can financially succeed without it, but it's VERY rare and FAR more difficult. Thus, that path should not be so easily encouraged, especially to someone so young and possibly impressionable.


Especially since those few people who can succeed without it are generally NTs with major social skills to compensate for their lack of education. I grew up in a rural hick town, and college opened my whole world up--there were lots of interesting things I learned about that I had not encountered in the reading I was doing before college. I'm not even talking about the better financial position you can be in as a result of education, I just feel like you can't find as many things to stimulate your thinking on your own.



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08 Dec 2007, 10:19 pm

I dropped out of high school (more than once), though I did get my GED.

At 26, making close to 6 figures with good job security and options, I'd consider myself reasonably successful. I wouldn't recommend this path to most people though.



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31 Jan 2010, 8:04 pm

Pugly wrote:
Kurtz wrote:
Try reading what I said instead of trying to score points, you condescending a**hole.


Wow, you really take this 'terror' stuff seriously.

Edit: I have problems finding a job and I am a high school graduate almost done with a degree... so nothing is a guarantee.

I agree with Kurtz that school is largely a waste of time. You can learn so much more on your own.

But then again, the 'paper' is important to many. It's pretty easy to just coast and get through the system of public schools... they really don't want to have people not graduate.

I'd just go back somehow and get the diploma.


Well I am in my 3rd year of college and I would used to think the same way about these things, but now my mind has changed. My view of school is that it is just something that you must do good in and do your best in if you want to go succeed in life, you must try to put effort in school and be able to handle dealing with your classes. I regret not giving a darn in high school and I am sadly stuck at a community college right now, while my peers have a blast at a 4 year university. Putting effort in school and worry about important things are key, this is my opinion.



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01 Feb 2010, 8:24 am

Hardly anyone will hire you without a GED. Once you get a GED, you can choose to go to college, but you'll likely have to start at community college since they aren't as snooty about who gets let in.

If you are brilliant and can be an entrepreneur, getting the GED or college will do little to nothing for you because you will be able to make money with your talents.



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04 Feb 2010, 5:14 pm

Entrepreneurism is great, but it’s a long shot. 80% failure rate. That’s what I keep hearing, 80% of new businesses fail.

Even if you follow the Fred DeLuca strategy of “Start Small, Finish Big.”
http://books.google.com/books?id=4IwaHV ... ng&f=false
Even if you have a business plan (recommended), you’re still going to have to make a lot of adjustments from the very first morning. And it’s still a long shot.

From talking with several CPAs, I take the main issue to be that revenues at first tend to be slow in coming, whereas the expenses come right on schedule.



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04 Feb 2010, 5:15 pm

Sales might be a high probability course of action. Of course, there are unethical companies and all the other problems you’ve heard about sales.

But the advantage of a good company is that if you’re connecting with customers and making sales (and disclosing what needs to be disclosed), it’s accepted that you can be a little different and march to your own drummer.