Why are people obtaining decent jobs without education.

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03 Nov 2010, 6:26 am

Can someone tell me the secret to this? I'm in school and doing good, but I don't like school.



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03 Nov 2010, 6:59 am

Social skills....that's true for pretty much all opportunity.

Most jobs DO NOT really need the skills they advertise up-front. They would like them in a prospective applicant, but the employer (most, at least) can and do readily ignore those "prerequisites" when they find someone they want to work with.

Woman with a nice rack, good figure, sunny disposition and nice face can be a sales rep even if she's never done anything close to that. They know her looks and personality will go farther than skills will, and they can teach her the skills...but normally they want someone experienced just to be considered for the job.



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06 Nov 2010, 4:55 pm

They start at the bottom and work their way up... you should have your school diplomas though.


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10 Nov 2010, 1:10 am

zer0netgain wrote:
Social skills....that's true for pretty much all opportunity.

Most jobs DO NOT really need the skills they advertise up-front. They would like them in a prospective applicant, but the employer (most, at least) can and do readily ignore those "prerequisites" when they find someone they want to work with.

Woman with a nice rack, good figure, sunny disposition and nice face can be a sales rep even if she's never done anything close to that. They know her looks and personality will go farther than skills will, and they can teach her the skills...but normally they want someone experienced just to be considered for the job.


How can employers know about social skills when they're just flipping through the resumes? I agree with the OP-experience is far more valued than education. Is that the way it should be? Maybe. Maybe not. But you can't deny that this mentality really hurts a certain segment of the population.



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10 Nov 2010, 5:49 am

I wouldn't be surprised if it was family connections. Seriously, I see and hear about so many people getting easy jobs or "well, let's give them a shot" jobs just because some cousin is already working there. That seems like the easiest way to get a job.

Unless you're working in something technical, you actually need skills to do those jobs.



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26 Nov 2010, 7:51 pm

Many jobs are personality types, not educational types (which is yet another reason why the educational system is whacked, but that's another story for another day).

That being said, there's numerous reasons why. One, of course is connections. Another, of course, is the aforementioned personality. It doesn't take an MBA to sell a product, it takes a person who is likable, and can properly advertise to a customer. My twin sister majored in English and has done very well in her sales roles. A friend of mine, on the other hand, majored in Marketing and has struggled (though he's also latched onto crappy companies).



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27 Nov 2010, 9:26 am

SadAspy wrote:
How can employers know about social skills when they're just flipping through the resumes?


Generally, they can't, BUT....

1. A resume might get you the interview. People skills get you the job.

2. Lots of people without the minimum qualifications get interviewed because they "know a guy" who puts a word in for them. I know people who got hired because they knew someone with the influence to get the hiring person to look at them and pick them as a personal favor.



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29 Nov 2010, 2:18 pm

Nepotism.

Although the preferred 21st century term is "networking".



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03 Dec 2010, 11:01 pm

I agree with everything that has been said.

-nepotism/family connections
-favoritism
-looks (especially with women)
-social skills (they can see this easily in an interview)

this is the bulk of it.

Jobs that require degrees are the same too for the most part.



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07 Dec 2010, 12:04 am

Because if 10% of the population is unemployed, and about 40% of people have degrees, then where are all the rest of the jobs going? Half the jobs are held by people without degrees. Of course, over half the nation works for minimum wage or a unlivable wage.

The characteristics that are listed for a potential job applicant are like the unrealistic traits many people have for the perfect guy or the perfect girl. How often are they really going to find someone like that? A job interview is about telling the employer what he/she wants to hear. Kind of like a date, or running for President. That part requires no degree.



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07 Dec 2010, 9:28 am

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Because if 10% of the population is unemployed, and about 40% of people have degrees, then where are all the rest of the jobs going? Half the jobs are held by people without degrees. Of course, over half the nation works for minimum wage or a unlivable wage.


I'm assuming you're in the U.S.? Actually the number is only 40% if you include people with just an associate's (2-year degrees). Nonetheless, you bring up an excellent point. How is it I'm unemployed despite having a master's degree yet tens of millions of people get jobs with no degree? It goes to show you college doesn't mean jack s**t.



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07 Dec 2010, 9:52 am

ApsieGuy wrote:
Why are people obtaining decent jobs without education ...
... I don't like school.

I suspect many people, including employers, find/view "school" as quite optional unless some specific education or training of a technical nature is actually necessary in order to even begin. If you possibly can, talk with some potential employers and ask for some specific thoughts or suggestions along the line of preparing yourself for employment there ... and you might just get some answers as to what would be best for you to do right now.


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12 Mar 2011, 10:00 am

Alex_M wrote:
Nepotism.

Although the preferred 21st century term is "networking".


It's still nepotism.... no matter how they like to dress it up.



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12 Mar 2011, 12:35 pm

kostopsykologi wrote:
Alex_M wrote:
Nepotism.

Although the preferred 21st century term is "networking".


It's still nepotism.... no matter how they like to dress it up.


Yes and no. Nepotism involves family. Networking also involves friends.



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12 Mar 2011, 1:45 pm

SadAspy wrote:
zer0netgain wrote:

How can employers know about social skills when they're just flipping through the resumes? I agree with the OP-experience is far more valued than education. Is that the way it should be? Maybe. Maybe not. But you can't deny that this mentality really hurts a certain segment of the population.


How the HELL do you GET the experience if NO ONE GIVES YOU A CHANCE? If I want to be an ACCOUNTANT, am i supposed to have been born a savant and gotten an accounting job at age SIXTEEN? HUH?! I don't want to bag groceries for the rest of my life, nor do I want to be stuck renting an apartment for the rest of my life. Honestly, I'm so sick and tired of seeing NTs get spoiled by employers, while we're stuck stoking the coal!



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12 Mar 2011, 1:47 pm

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Because if 10% of the population is unemployed, and about 40% of people have degrees, then where are all the rest of the jobs going? Half the jobs are held by people without degrees. Of course, over half the nation works for minimum wage or a unlivable wage.

The characteristics that are listed for a potential job applicant are like the unrealistic traits many people have for the perfect guy or the perfect girl. How often are they really going to find someone like that? A job interview is about telling the employer what he/she wants to hear. Kind of like a date, or running for President. That part requires no degree.



SO I guess if I want to live a livable life on my own, I have to become SUPERMAN?! Is that right?!