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14 Jan 2012, 2:53 am

I was about to start work running a rather large companies social media campaign when I get asked to look at a website the company had recently launched. The person asks me what I think of the new site so I tell him my honest opinion of it. It looks like a 12 year old threw it together over a weekend. It looks like whoever designed it put the minimum amount of effort into the site and then pushed it to the web. As it turns out, I was talking to the person who had created the website and he was none too happy to hear my criticism of his work. I will never understand why NT 's ask for an opinion, yet don't want you to be truthful about how you feel.


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14 Jan 2012, 3:49 am

I know just how you feel. My mother used to drive me really crazy. She would ask my opinion on something, and when I would give it, she would pick or do the opposite of what I said. It got where I would try to figure out the best thing for her to do, so I could say the opposite one, thereby getting her to make the right choice. Unfortunately, she would often decide that she didn't like the right choice, and would start arguments with me about whatever it was, but she wouldn't like the other choice, either. I finally got to the point of often refusing to give my opinion, telling her to make up her own mind. This didn't help, because this made her angry, too. It was a no win situation. It seems like she was looking for a reason to start a fight. I don't understand why she would do that, but that's my impression.

My mother had mental health issues that she refused to get help for. I am free now of her bad temper, and confusing behavior, as she passed away about 8 1/2 years ago. Most people would love to hear their deceased parent's voices again. To me, one of the worst sounds I know, was my mother's voice, because so much of the time she was snarling at, or yelling at me, or my siblings, or my father. She would say terrible things to us when she was mad, which was all too much of the time. I am so glad I now live alone.

I don't know how to handle people who ask for an opinion, and then snarl at you. If anyone does have a solution, I would like to know what it is.

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14 Jan 2012, 5:17 am

Maybe constructive criticism would work best, tell them how to improve, rather than use only criticism



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14 Jan 2012, 5:53 am

To7m wrote:
Maybe constructive criticism would work best, tell them how to improve, rather than use only criticism


Yes, I thought if that. And sacking you just for that - that seems a bit harsh?! I have a feeling that we're not getting anything near the complete story here.



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14 Jan 2012, 8:34 am

This is what they mean by wanting a "team player." What you said is offensive to whoever put together the site. You should have known that. You should also have known that even if the person you talked to wasn't the person who put it together, it is quite likely that the someone who did is still around and in a position to make your life hard--he may have gotten promoted to management!

What I would have done is to first realize that we need to translate the question--the real question was, "how can we make our website better?"

Alternately, as is done with stupid athletes, is to learn stock phrases to say. See the movie Bull Durham, in which the up and coming pitcher is taught how to talk to the media. In other words, if you can't say something nice, just put out some meaningless stock phrase instead.



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14 Jan 2012, 8:48 am

BTDT wrote:
What I would have done is to first realize that we need to translate the question--the real question was, "how can we make our website better?"


You may want to be careful with this advice as sometimes you can't answer the question without issuing that many different suggestions that what you're implying is effectively the same as what the OP said: that you think that it's absolute rubbish and that in your view there is no other alternative than basically starting afresh.



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14 Jan 2012, 11:17 am

When you are new on a job, you have to be very cautious about what you say to whom until you know who all the players are and where the bodies are buried so to speak. It would have been more diplomatic and cautious to say whatever good things you could find to say about the website and then ask, 'who designed this?' Or maybe that should have been your first question.

Believe me I know that urge to tell an employer exactly how you think they are doing something wrong and why and in detail. This only works if you are a consultant and they are paying you do this. You do your analysis, and then, oh joy, you get to leave! Had you been hired as a consultant that scenario would have gone much differently and you would have been paid too.

Sorry to hear that this happened, I recommend this book, Aspergers on the Job, by Rudy Simone, she gets it, and she wrote it for employers and employees. A quote from the book:

'....people with Aspergers have an irrepressible urge to inform, often without correctly anticipating the emotional reaction of the recipient' p. 19

Would you have softened your feedback if you had known the person who asked you for your opinion was the designer? Actually, it sounds like you got sand bagged, the person who asked you, should have said, "I designed this website, what do you think?" They definitely had a hidden agenda or they were insecure and were checking you out in a very sneaky fashion.

Was this part of the interview process or were you already hired? I am wondering if you can go back and ask for a do over. Or contact the top person there and explain unless that was the top person you were speaking with....



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14 Jan 2012, 11:44 am

To7m wrote:
Maybe constructive criticism would work best, tell them how to improve, rather than use only criticism


Indeed, people tend to be much more appreciative and receptive of constructive criticism.



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15 Jan 2012, 4:44 am

PaintingDiva wrote:
When you are new on a job, you have to be very cautious about what you say to whom until you know who all the players are and where the bodies are buried so to speak. It would have been more diplomatic and cautious to say whatever good things you could find to say about the website and then ask, 'who designed this?' Or maybe that should have been your first question.

Believe me I know that urge to tell an employer exactly how you think they are doing something wrong and why and in detail. This only works if you are a consultant and they are paying you do this. You do your analysis, and then, oh joy, you get to leave! Had you been hired as a consultant that scenario would have gone much differently and you would have been paid too.

Sorry to hear that this happened, I recommend this book, Aspergers on the Job, by Rudy Simone, she gets it, and she wrote it for employers and employees. A quote from the book:

'....people with Aspergers have an irrepressible urge to inform, often without correctly anticipating the emotional reaction of the recipient' p. 19

Would you have softened your feedback if you had known the person who asked you for your opinion was the designer? Actually, it sounds like you got sand bagged, the person who asked you, should have said, "I designed this website, what do you think?" They definitely had a hidden agenda or they were insecure and were checking you out in a very sneaky fashion.

Was this part of the interview process or were you already hired? I am wondering if you can go back and ask for a do over. Or contact the top person there and explain unless that was the top person you were speaking with....

This is a very good advice given i totally agree that first you should i have asked who designed the website and then only commented..
workplace situations can be tricky and difficult to understand its almost like a battlefield and you need to be careful of what and when you are talking.
also thanks for recommending the book let me check it out.



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15 Jan 2012, 10:18 am

johnsmcjohn wrote:
I was about to start work running a rather large companies social media campaign when I get asked to look at a website the company had recently launched. The person asks me what I think of the new site so I tell him my honest opinion of it. It looks like a 12 year old threw it together over a weekend. It looks like whoever designed it put the minimum amount of effort into the site and then pushed it to the web. As it turns out, I was talking to the person who had created the website and he was none too happy to hear my criticism of his work. I will never understand why NT 's ask for an opinion, yet don't want you to be truthful about how you feel.


Yikes! I understand your honest response, but obviously you hurt their NT feelings.

When in a situation like this, the best thing is to first ask, "Did you do this?" Or something similar. Find out who's work you are being asked to critique before responding.

Gotta love that Aspie honesty in action!


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15 Jan 2012, 11:41 am

The truth hurts.



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15 Jan 2012, 11:47 am

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I know just how you feel. My mother used to drive me really crazy. She would ask my opinion on something, and when I would give it, she would pick or do the opposite of what I said. It got where I would try to figure out the best thing for her to do, so I could say the opposite one, thereby getting her to make the right choice. Unfortunately, she would often decide that she didn't like the right choice, and would start arguments with me about whatever it was, but she wouldn't like the other choice, either. I finally got to the point of often refusing to give my opinion, telling her to make up her own mind. This didn't help, because this made her angry, too. It was a no win situation. It seems like she was looking for a reason to start a fight. I don't understand why she would do that, but that's my impression.

My mother had mental health issues that she refused to get help for. I am free now of her bad temper, and confusing behavior, as she passed away about 8 1/2 years ago. Most people would love to hear their deceased parent's voices again. To me, one of the worst sounds I know, was my mother's voice, because so much of the time she was snarling at, or yelling at me, or my siblings, or my father. She would say terrible things to us when she was mad, which was all too much of the time. I am so glad I now live alone.


i can understand what you have been through because i had same issue with both my brother, mother and father
its quite later in life i realised that they have narcisstic behaviour



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29 Jun 2012, 7:05 am

To7m wrote:
Maybe constructive criticism would work best, tell them how to improve, rather than use only criticism


This.