I think my job coach is not best for me but cannot be sure
DinoMongoosePenguin
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There are a number of reasons.
1.) She doesn't seem to get that I cannot handle call center jobs (which have a horrible reputation anyway and have high turnover, so I doubt I would last long. She had pressured me to do this more than once. The first few times, I just "forgot" (either by accident, and one time I delayed till it was too late). Lately, I did apply,. it had a lot of forms, which I filled out. When it showed that I'd have to deal with angry customers who would try and trash me to HR in their sample calls, I got a bit uneasy, wondering if this would be the right job. (I'd heard bad things about call centers.) So I halted on the form, though they both emailed and called me, asking to interview anyway (even though I hadn't filled out the forms fully, though they did recommend that I fill out the forms first or I wouldn't get the interview.) This in itself told me they were a bit desperate. So I was even more uneasy. I looked up the place on both Indeed and Glassdoor and found a large amount of bad reviews on BOTH of them, saying many of the same things, making it unlikely that it's just a bunch of disgruntled workers with axes to grind. So I decided not to do it. My Mom backed me up.
So I went to meet with the job coach and another job coach-like person, and they kind of made me feel bad that I didn't try on it. However, my Mom backed me up, saying that actually she knows two friends who work at said call center and THEY said it was bad.
Basically, the job coach and her co-worker said that both the two friends of my Mom and all the people on Indeed and Glassdoor must all be wrong and that I shoulda tried to go for the interview (which woulda been at least 20 miles away anyway, it wasn't like it was right in town.). (BTW, said call center called me again to try and get me to sign up, but I ignored them. I really feel that I made the right decision.)
2.) I have told her that when I do get to the point where I feel SO overwhelmed, that I often will just "move to get it done, and will try but won't try too hard as I'm too overloaded". (It's what I did at school when I had too much; I just had to admit that sometimes I had to contribute less to some group projects than others and had to sometimes admit that some classes were taking up a lot of time and had to divert attention from them to other classes, which needed time too and also, to make sure that school wasn't dominating my whole life, sometimes had to just turn in things not the best done so that I could actually do stuff that WASN'T school related.) However, my job coach had said that my approach was "Unacceptable". I said, "Maybe, but I cannot handle past my breaking point. I sometimes have to 'just go and try and get it over with and who cares how it turns out' sometimes." She said "That's still unacceptable." and I said "Well, I cannot change who I am."
3.) She and the other job-coach person wanted me to change my resume. It did need sprucing up, but I actually wonder if I had it better before, as it listed my actual skills. She had it changed so that it more showed my degrees. Personally,I think they just made it WORSE for me, as "Bachelors for Computer Science" could apply to a lot of fields, and with the quick glance and busy market, they aren't likely to just call me to find out and so I think my resume are just getting canned. I told her this, but she said "We do this for a living. We know what we're doing." Plus, I might add that showing the degrees only, rather than the skills, which could be more generic too, I think I'm also being turned down often for being overqualified too.
4.) I am not one to bother applying to positions that I KNOW I have less than half the qualifications for, but she keeps saying "Who knows, maybe they'll not find anyone qualified and hire you and train you." Personally, I think that's not likely. Also, one time I had originally not applied for a job I might have been able to get as I had accidentally looked at the wrong page and read "mid-level" which I'm not, so I had thought that it would be lying to apply for something I KNOW I couldn't do and that it was rude to the employers and also dishonest. However, my job coach used the same argument that, even if so, that maybe they would not find anyone and hire and train me.
5.) Despite me saying that I didn't think I would be good at sales, she says "Well, that's likely what you'll have to do around here." (which is likely true, to some degree) However, the two times I actually got an in person interview, I think it was obvious to the interviewers that I felt that, as much as I felt pressured to play down my weaknesses, that my body language and nervousness and answers were giving the impression that I wasn't interested and couldn't handle it. So, both those two interviews never went anywhere.
6.) Despite hearing that maybe temp agencies could help, she said that she was only there to get permanent jobs and so wouldn't (or perhaps couldn't due to her orders) help me at all on that.
7.) She doesn't seem to get that sometimes I am not trying as hard because, after two years of not finding a job, I am starting to get into a "why bother" mode and am increasingly leaning toward self-employment.
Often, I dread Wednesdays and am feeling like students in Danny Phantom who went to see Spectra for counseling (i.e. I felt WORSE after going in to see her than before I saw her.)
1.) She doesn't seem to get that I cannot handle call center jobs (which have a horrible reputation anyway and have high turnover, so I doubt I would last long. She had pressured me to do this more than once. The first few times, I just "forgot" (either by accident, and one time I delayed till it was too late). Lately, I did apply,. it had a lot of forms, which I filled out. When it showed that I'd have to deal with angry customers who would try and trash me to HR in their sample calls, I got a bit uneasy, wondering if this would be the right job. (I'd heard bad things about call centers.)....
5.) Despite me saying that I didn't think I would be good at sales, she says "Well, that's likely what you'll have to do around here." (which is likely true, to some degree) However, the two times I actually got an in person interview, I think it was obvious to the interviewers that I felt that, as much as I felt pressured to play down my weaknesses, that my body language and nervousness and answers were giving the impression that I wasn't interested and couldn't handle it. So, both those two interviews never went anywhere....
Sales is one of the worst careers for me, and also most of the people on this forum I think. I'm pretty good at customer service type tasks, where I'm helping someone navigate a complex and feature-rich shopping experience to get them to the point where they can identify what they need, but pressuring people to buy stuff that they don't need just because management wants me will make me feel like a phony very quickly and make it quite awkward. How can I sell something that I don't believe in, or that I do believe in but I know that the customer doesn't need it?
Unfortunately, one of the problems that I've seen is that a lot of the easiest-to-get jobs are jobs for extroverts - sales, call center, and things like that. If you want to sit behind a desk and work quietly, those jobs are harder to get.
1.) She doesn't seem to get that I cannot handle call center jobs (which have a horrible reputation anyway and have high turnover, so I doubt I would last long. She had pressured me to do this more than once. The first few times, I just "forgot" (either by accident, and one time I delayed till it was too late). Lately, I did apply,. it had a lot of forms, which I filled out. When it showed that I'd have to deal with angry customers who would try and trash me to HR in their sample calls, I got a bit uneasy, wondering if this would be the right job. (I'd heard bad things about call centers.) So I halted on the form, though they both emailed and called me, asking to interview anyway (even though I hadn't filled out the forms fully, though they did recommend that I fill out the forms first or I wouldn't get the interview.) This in itself told me they were a bit desperate. So I was even more uneasy. I looked up the place on both Indeed and Glassdoor and found a large amount of bad reviews on BOTH of them, saying many of the same things, making it unlikely that it's just a bunch of disgruntled workers with axes to grind. So I decided not to do it. My Mom backed me up.
So I went to meet with the job coach and another job coach-like person, and they kind of made me feel bad that I didn't try on it. However, my Mom backed me up, saying that actually she knows two friends who work at said call center and THEY said it was bad.
Basically, the job coach and her co-worker said that both the two friends of my Mom and all the people on Indeed and Glassdoor must all be wrong and that I shoulda tried to go for the interview (which woulda been at least 20 miles away anyway, it wasn't like it was right in town.). (BTW, said call center called me again to try and get me to sign up, but I ignored them. I really feel that I made the right decision.)
2.) I have told her that when I do get to the point where I feel SO overwhelmed, that I often will just "move to get it done, and will try but won't try too hard as I'm too overloaded". (It's what I did at school when I had too much; I just had to admit that sometimes I had to contribute less to some group projects than others and had to sometimes admit that some classes were taking up a lot of time and had to divert attention from them to other classes, which needed time too and also, to make sure that school wasn't dominating my whole life, sometimes had to just turn in things not the best done so that I could actually do stuff that WASN'T school related.) However, my job coach had said that my approach was "Unacceptable". I said, "Maybe, but I cannot handle past my breaking point. I sometimes have to 'just go and try and get it over with and who cares how it turns out' sometimes." She said "That's still unacceptable." and I said "Well, I cannot change who I am."
3.) She and the other job-coach person wanted me to change my resume. It did need sprucing up, but I actually wonder if I had it better before, as it listed my actual skills. She had it changed so that it more showed my degrees. Personally,I think they just made it WORSE for me, as "Bachelors for Computer Science" could apply to a lot of fields, and with the quick glance and busy market, they aren't likely to just call me to find out and so I think my resume are just getting canned. I told her this, but she said "We do this for a living. We know what we're doing." Plus, I might add that showing the degrees only, rather than the skills, which could be more generic too, I think I'm also being turned down often for being overqualified too.
4.) I am not one to bother applying to positions that I KNOW I have less than half the qualifications for, but she keeps saying "Who knows, maybe they'll not find anyone qualified and hire you and train you." Personally, I think that's not likely. Also, one time I had originally not applied for a job I might have been able to get as I had accidentally looked at the wrong page and read "mid-level" which I'm not, so I had thought that it would be lying to apply for something I KNOW I couldn't do and that it was rude to the employers and also dishonest. However, my job coach used the same argument that, even if so, that maybe they would not find anyone and hire and train me.
5.) Despite me saying that I didn't think I would be good at sales, she says "Well, that's likely what you'll have to do around here." (which is likely true, to some degree) However, the two times I actually got an in person interview, I think it was obvious to the interviewers that I felt that, as much as I felt pressured to play down my weaknesses, that my body language and nervousness and answers were giving the impression that I wasn't interested and couldn't handle it. So, both those two interviews never went anywhere.
6.) Despite hearing that maybe temp agencies could help, she said that she was only there to get permanent jobs and so wouldn't (or perhaps couldn't due to her orders) help me at all on that.
7.) She doesn't seem to get that sometimes I am not trying as hard because, after two years of not finding a job, I am starting to get into a "why bother" mode and am increasingly leaning toward self-employment.
Often, I dread Wednesdays and am feeling like students in Danny Phantom who went to see Spectra for counseling (i.e. I felt WORSE after going in to see her than before I saw her.)
The coach does sound pretty awful but does have a few valid points, specifically regarding:
#4 she's right. An employer's job ad is usually an unrealistic wish list of everything they want in an employee -- they'll usually happily hire a candidate with 50-75% of what they're asking for.
You've nothing to lose by applying to a position you're only somewhat qualified for.
#7 her suggestion to keep trying hard BECAUSE you've been unemployed for 2 years is a good one. Not trying is the worst possible thing you could do here.
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A few questions for you:
A) have you had this same job coach for the past two years?
If yes, finding a new one would be a good idea. The current one's efforts/advice clearly isn't working for you.
If no, following her advice (however misguided it may seem) would be a good idea, as whatever you've been doing clearly isn't working for you.
B) what's stopping you from applying for jobs the coach "disapproves" of? Or doing up an alternate version of your cv (the way YOU think would be more effective)?
You could do both (your way applications + coach's way apps) simultaneously. Heck, I can't think of a single reason why doing both would NOT be a good idea. The more jobs you apply to, the better your odds of landing a job will be!
Okay, sorry, but I'm going to have to start out with a "loooollll!" But there's a reason.
Does this job coach know anything about autism? Just get over it! Unacceptable! What if you didn't have any hands? Sure, you can get false ones, but I don't think you'd be playing the piano. Unacceptable! Play! Come on, now, it's silly! SALES?? There are some aspies here who work in sales, but unless they actually believe in the product, it depresses them, fast. It probably depresses most neurotypical people too.
Didn't you say you have a Bachelors in Computer Science? Why do you need a job coach?
There was another person on this forum...I can't remember his username, but he was using a job service that was doing a terrible job of placing him in something appropriate. He eventually found someone on his own and I think he's still working there. In a college bookstore? I wish we could tag users on here. He could give you some good advice.
I think you should just put in some applications at places that you wouldn't mind working. There are IT positions in most companies so you would have a lot of places to choose from.
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Well, here's the thing, IMO, about Job Coaches, and Vocational Rehab (VR): They're not working for YOU, as, I imagine, anyone would expect, they're working for THEMSELVES----or, at the very least, working for their company! It's all a numbers game----they probably have a quota, for the number of people they place, in positions. They don't care what your "wants" / needs are, they don't care if you have a degree / don't have a degree, they don't care that you're not interested in whatever type of job, all they care about is that they can say they've placed another person!
I hate to say it, but some things you DO have to "just get over it"----BUT, I say that in regard to, say, getting along with people; we, ASDers, just HAVE TO learn, and it's sooooo difficult; but, we're never gonna be able to get / retain a position, if we don't.
As for them playing-up your degree----especially, for the types of positions, they're putting you in, for----I don't feel that's a wise decision. I feel, like others have said, that you need to have more than one / several resumes, and that they should be VERY job / ad -centric!! For instance, I have experience as a Cater Waiter----for one ad, to which I respond, I might play-up the fact that I have organizational skills; for another ad, I might play-up the fact, that I have people skills; for another ad, I might play-up the fact that I can multitask. Yes, you SHOULD have a sort-of template, but you MUST cater EACH resume to that SPECIFIC job / ad----just having ONE resume, and sending it to EVERYBODY, isn't gonna cut it!
As for "We do this for a living. We know what we're doing.": They're saying "trust us", and when I hear THAT, I DON'T----cuz, IMO, that means that they're just trying to "sell" to you, and that means they'll tell you ANYTHING (again, just to say they've made a placement)! !
Bottom line: If your gut tells you they're not helping, they're not helping; and, if your gut tells you, you shouldn't be playing-up your degree, go with your gut!
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DinoMongoosePenguin
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Does this job coach know anything about autism? Just get over it! Unacceptable! What if you didn't have any hands? Sure, you can get false ones, but I don't think you'd be playing the piano. Unacceptable! Play! Come on, now, it's silly! SALES?? There are some aspies here who work in sales, but unless they actually believe in the product, it depresses them, fast. It probably depresses most neurotypical people too.
Didn't you say you have a Bachelors in Computer Science? Why do you need a job coach?
There was another person on this forum...I can't remember his username, but he was using a job service that was doing a terrible job of placing him in something appropriate. He eventually found someone on his own and I think he's still working there. In a college bookstore? I wish we could tag users on here. He could give you some good advice.
I think you should just put in some applications at places that you wouldn't mind working. There are IT positions in most companies so you would have a lot of places to choose from.
Not sure if the term is job coach or what. They technically work, to some degree, for the Department of Rehabilitation Services.
Plus, I do realize, though empathy is hard to do when you have Aspergers, that if she doesn't push me to do jobs, even if she knows that I likely won't get them, it could make HER look bad to her superiors. Plus, I do have an entitlement complex (in that I am rather irked that I went for a four year degree and it looks like only minimum wage jobs or slightly above that are available for me. I mean, why did I go to college again? I coulda stayed out, started earlier in those types of jobs, and saved the stress, not to mention the cost, of college.)
Also, I've learned a dark secret about my own industry, one my family and others don't seem to get yet. The STEM field is graduating people, but only about 1 in 3, if that, are actually gets careers in it and loads of these positions are going overseas or to cheap labor replacements with the H1B visas (which I think should be banned totally.) It's already hard enough for an NT (don't know what that means, but hearing it used around here, I'm assuming it means someone without Autism) to get hired as they are mostly using foreign labor instead of entry-level and those over 35 or so are getting laid off and having to sometimes even train their foreign replacements.
Plus, even the lower level jobs are being replaced with foreigners (i.e. try doing construction work in many places without knowing Spanish too well.) (P.S., I'm not an xenophobe, though in some ways, I might be turning into one in disgust (I guess what keeps me from doing so is that I realize that the foreigners are, just like us, victims of the corporate and governmental (yes, Obama helped make it worse with his executive orders strengthening this mess.) scheme to profit at our expense.) over this.
In short, STEM is DEAD in America and I'd recommend anyone considering going into it to change careers. It's being going south for the last 15 years.
As for the temp agencies, I did a little digging and even found groups like Manpower are lobbying for Amnesty and more foreign workers, meaning the temp jobs will get more like the horror stories we've seen overseas as time goes by (I've already heard all sorts of horror stories about temp work even now and that temp agencies should be banned. I believe things are only going to get worse, barring a change of course by citizen action.)
On the flip side, Aspergers people can be more creative and do writing or art, which, though not encouraged in this conformist culture, may be more steady as other things start to college both at the high-level end (IT, white collar), and at the low-level (factory work, blue collar) levels.
Anyway, with this mess both at the high level and low level with the "Visa Attack" and the "Part Time Job Rise/ Full Time Job Decrease" trend, it's bad enough for a NT, but it's almost a future-ender for Aspergers people who don't fit into the "normal" trend. Unless we use our creativity to our advantage. Then we can rise above the NT people that looked down on us for so long!

As it is, I'm not sure my job coach/counselor knows how bad things are getting and the cause of the trend. The trouble is, one could blog happily and expose a lot of the bad guys behind this, but this opens the risk of being blacklisted for being a blabber mouth, but, on the flip side, nothing has worked so far (indeed, I'd have MORE trouble wanting to blab if I DID have a job that I could lose by being a whistleblower.), I feel that they got me down and I'm gonna pull them down with me. (By them, I mean the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, etc.)
Also, the job coach lately said that if things weren't working out in the areas we were looking, we could try something different and she'd be open to discussing it. (I think she sees that I'm getting very burned out too.)
DinoMongoosePenguin
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1.) She doesn't seem to get that I cannot handle call center jobs (which have a horrible reputation anyway and have high turnover, so I doubt I would last long. She had pressured me to do this more than once. The first few times, I just "forgot" (either by accident, and one time I delayed till it was too late). Lately, I did apply,. it had a lot of forms, which I filled out. When it showed that I'd have to deal with angry customers who would try and trash me to HR in their sample calls, I got a bit uneasy, wondering if this would be the right job. (I'd heard bad things about call centers.) So I halted on the form, though they both emailed and called me, asking to interview anyway (even though I hadn't filled out the forms fully, though they did recommend that I fill out the forms first or I wouldn't get the interview.) This in itself told me they were a bit desperate. So I was even more uneasy. I looked up the place on both Indeed and Glassdoor and found a large amount of bad reviews on BOTH of them, saying many of the same things, making it unlikely that it's just a bunch of disgruntled workers with axes to grind. So I decided not to do it. My Mom backed me up.
So I went to meet with the job coach and another job coach-like person, and they kind of made me feel bad that I didn't try on it. However, my Mom backed me up, saying that actually she knows two friends who work at said call center and THEY said it was bad.
Basically, the job coach and her co-worker said that both the two friends of my Mom and all the people on Indeed and Glassdoor must all be wrong and that I shoulda tried to go for the interview (which woulda been at least 20 miles away anyway, it wasn't like it was right in town.). (BTW, said call center called me again to try and get me to sign up, but I ignored them. I really feel that I made the right decision.)
2.) I have told her that when I do get to the point where I feel SO overwhelmed, that I often will just "move to get it done, and will try but won't try too hard as I'm too overloaded". (It's what I did at school when I had too much; I just had to admit that sometimes I had to contribute less to some group projects than others and had to sometimes admit that some classes were taking up a lot of time and had to divert attention from them to other classes, which needed time too and also, to make sure that school wasn't dominating my whole life, sometimes had to just turn in things not the best done so that I could actually do stuff that WASN'T school related.) However, my job coach had said that my approach was "Unacceptable". I said, "Maybe, but I cannot handle past my breaking point. I sometimes have to 'just go and try and get it over with and who cares how it turns out' sometimes." She said "That's still unacceptable." and I said "Well, I cannot change who I am."
3.) She and the other job-coach person wanted me to change my resume. It did need sprucing up, but I actually wonder if I had it better before, as it listed my actual skills. She had it changed so that it more showed my degrees. Personally,I think they just made it WORSE for me, as "Bachelors for Computer Science" could apply to a lot of fields, and with the quick glance and busy market, they aren't likely to just call me to find out and so I think my resume are just getting canned. I told her this, but she said "We do this for a living. We know what we're doing." Plus, I might add that showing the degrees only, rather than the skills, which could be more generic too, I think I'm also being turned down often for being overqualified too.
4.) I am not one to bother applying to positions that I KNOW I have less than half the qualifications for, but she keeps saying "Who knows, maybe they'll not find anyone qualified and hire you and train you." Personally, I think that's not likely. Also, one time I had originally not applied for a job I might have been able to get as I had accidentally looked at the wrong page and read "mid-level" which I'm not, so I had thought that it would be lying to apply for something I KNOW I couldn't do and that it was rude to the employers and also dishonest. However, my job coach used the same argument that, even if so, that maybe they would not find anyone and hire and train me.
5.) Despite me saying that I didn't think I would be good at sales, she says "Well, that's likely what you'll have to do around here." (which is likely true, to some degree) However, the two times I actually got an in person interview, I think it was obvious to the interviewers that I felt that, as much as I felt pressured to play down my weaknesses, that my body language and nervousness and answers were giving the impression that I wasn't interested and couldn't handle it. So, both those two interviews never went anywhere.
6.) Despite hearing that maybe temp agencies could help, she said that she was only there to get permanent jobs and so wouldn't (or perhaps couldn't due to her orders) help me at all on that.
7.) She doesn't seem to get that sometimes I am not trying as hard because, after two years of not finding a job, I am starting to get into a "why bother" mode and am increasingly leaning toward self-employment.
Often, I dread Wednesdays and am feeling like students in Danny Phantom who went to see Spectra for counseling (i.e. I felt WORSE after going in to see her than before I saw her.)
I love the Danny Phantom reference. LOL. I miss that show. Anyway, if you feel like searching for a job is too difficult for you, there are other options available. Perhaps being self-employed is the way to go in your case. Your situation reminds me of my own a few years ago. I had a two-month stint at a hospital filing medical records and as the job was ending, I was placed with this agency known as JCS (Jewish Community Services). With them, my job counselor kept finding me positions on these career search engines or through their database that were either filled or unavailable. Not only that the last few times I went to a job coach class on how to write cover letters and all that other stuff employers probably don't give a damn about, she kept reporting what I wasn't doing while I was there. I stuck with them for less than a year and decided to go back to school for something I had little to no interest in doing which was medical billing and coding. Back then, I had less control over my life and was only doing what other people wanted me to. Now, I realize I have to live for myself because otherwise I won't be happy. I'm in the process of becoming self-employed. My goal is to save up as much money as possible to leave town. But, I want steady income and I believe this can be done. Believe me nothing is never easy. You gotta fight for what you want in this life.