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14 May 2010, 2:12 pm

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Are private schools suddenly exempt from the Americans with Disabilities Act? If I were the child's parents I would have started with the lawyers when the PUBLIC school refused to get someone trained in dealing with Autism. It seems it's definitely past time to get lawyers involved with the private school.

If the original poster is in the U.S., private schools don't have the same requirements that public schools do. What you suggest is a possible approach, but it will work better with the public school than with the private school.



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14 May 2010, 4:40 pm

I think she should find a different school for her child. If they are frequently spanking him then he obviously is getting into trouble and meshing well with the school culture. I would be willing to surmise that a child who doesn't mesh well is not in an optimal learning environment. Furthermore, if she has requested that they stop, or lessen the spankings, and they are not doing so, then the school is unresponsive to her wishes as a parent. This looks like a recipe for disaster.



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14 May 2010, 4:40 pm

I think she should find a different school for her child. If they are frequently spanking him then he obviously is getting into trouble and meshing well with the school culture. I would be willing to surmise that a child who doesn't mesh well is not in an optimal learning environment. Furthermore, if she has requested that they stop, or lessen the spankings, and they are not doing so, then the school is unresponsive to her wishes as a parent. This looks like a recipe for disaster.



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14 May 2010, 7:52 pm

My parents spanked me but only as a last resort to get my attention such as when I was about to touch a hot stove or something of that nature. A slap on the bum is better than third degree burns. My parents never spanked because I refused to do chores or because I was having a tantrum (spanking would only esculate the tantrum in my case) or because I was arguing; which in those cases classifies as abuse if you ask me. My parents never spanked to punish me.


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14 May 2010, 9:01 pm

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I was spanked out of anger, as a child. It didn't work. I took it out, on my peers. If they weren't treating me right, I'd get into fights, with them. That's what I was taught. If somebody makes me angry, I must hurt them. I'm glad that I'm not like that, today.


The few times his father or I have swatted my son in anger, I think that's exactly what he learned. I work very hard at controlling my temper around him now.


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15 May 2010, 2:15 am

In Canada (my country) spanking or hitting a child in any manner in school is illegal. I cannot possibly conceive of a situation in which I would find it acceptable for a teacher to strike a child. It's prehistoric as far as child development goes.

It is also illegal here to spank your own child in your home if you use a tool of any kind - belt, whip, spoon - they are all now classified as weapons when used to strike a child. You also cannot legally spank a child under and over certain ages.

I still find it hard to believe that the US continues to allow spanking in schools.


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15 May 2010, 2:23 am

Physical punishment just seems wrong to me... I'm not one to argue over its effectiveness in the field of discipline, but I'm sure there are better ways to do that, instead of what is essentially physical violence.



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15 May 2010, 11:34 am

As someone who's been spanked as a kid, I think that in a very limited number of situations, spanking is actually OK. It has to be rare enough to have significance when it happens. For instance, only in situations when the child endangers himself or others, like climbing onto a slippery kitchen counter, throwing glass objects around the room, or when a tantrum is clearly a manipulative act and not an innocent meltdown. If spanking happens too often, it its significance gets "diluted", and it becomes, in the child's mind, "just another thing my parents like to do to me". This is especially true with aspie children, who, like myself, will start associating punishments with their parents' free will, and not with their own actions.



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15 May 2010, 3:16 pm

Aspie1 wrote:
As someone who's been spanked as a kid, I think that in a very limited number of situations, spanking is actually OK. It has to be rare enough to have significance when it happens.

My own experience as a kid matches this.

In the original poster's situation the spanking seems excessive, though. I doubt it's the right school for her child.



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15 May 2010, 5:14 pm

CockneyRebel wrote:
I was spanked out of anger, as a child. It didn't work. I took it out, on my peers. If they weren't treating me right, I'd get into fights, with them. That's what I was taught. If somebody makes me angry, I must hurt them. I'm glad that I'm not like that, today.


Me too!

I think it can be effective to condition little children to not do dangerous things when other options have been exhausted. Like someone else pointed out, it has to be rare to be effective. It's more of a startle effect I was going for, of WOW this must be a big deal. Mom's never done THAT before.



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17 May 2010, 6:28 am

Spanking any child in my country is now illegal except where a safety issue is involved. Or it's 'inconsequential' (whatever that means :roll: ). Was highly controversial when the act went through and there were all sorts of people saying it would make criminals out of good parents etc, but it hasn't.

For my opinion, spanking is a horrible thing to do to a child, I have done it out of frustration and anger in the past of which I am ashamed, and it's basically the worst most counter-productive thing I think you could do.



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17 May 2010, 7:57 am

In the UK it is illegal for schools to spank, and also illegal to assault a child even if you are the parent. Even before it was illegal it was illegal for schools to spank without the parents consent (cerca 90's). I would check the laws in your state. I suspect they can't lay a finger on your child without consent. In any even get the child out of there. The spanking and caning relationship with religious groups has a dubious cause, you only have to read up on Christian Domestic Discipline to see it is clearly a fetishistic/BDSM bent thinly disguised as discipline.



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17 May 2010, 9:31 am

nostromo wrote:
Spanking any child in my country is now illegal except where a safety issue is involved. Or it's 'inconsequential' (whatever that means :roll: ). Was highly controversial when the act went through and there were all sorts of people saying it would make criminals out of good parents etc, but it hasn't.

For my opinion, spanking is a horrible thing to do to a child, I have done it out of frustration and anger in the past of which I am ashamed, and it's basically the worst most counter-productive thing I think you could do.


I think that by "inconsequential" they mean a birthday spanking (one spank for each year, and one to grow on) which is done gently for laughs or other playful situations like that. It sounds like the kind of spanking that is still legal is exactly what I did with my kids. Either a swat to get their attention in life threatening or very serious situations or maybe a playful tap.



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17 May 2010, 10:02 am

If she doesn't want her child spanked, then get him out of that school. She is paying for him to be there. If spanking is part of the school's disciplinary methods, there is nothing she can really do about it other than pulling him out.

Personally, I don't have a problem with spankings. It makes consequences real and immediate. Although since my girlfriend doesn't want her son spanked, I will of course respect her wishes.