Did I have AS as a child and learned coping mechanisms????

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04 Jul 2011, 6:45 pm

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I wasn't surprised to see this thread here today after partially reading your thread about your son yesterday. The way you came across sounded a little Aspie to me, and please take that as a compliment, because that is how it is meant. :)


Have at it, please. Don't hold back. :D
Right now this is actually what I would want to hear - for the sake of my son.

I am married to a really good man who loves me and I love him back; I am extremely close to my sister with whom I could spend 20 years locked in a prison cell and, at the end of those 20 years, we would still have something to share at the gate, upon release. I get along with my parents (and mother-in-law!) very well. I have a few good friends (not many, never had many), have tons of acquaintances, get along really well with most of my colleagues ... and managed to get every job I have EVER interviewed for. There is nothing else I would fix in the "social skills" department. So I would never bother to go investigate with a psychologist.

Yet, I would be happy to know I had (still have?) AS - just to keep that hope alive for my son. I am just afraid that someone who managed to learn to navigate the social scene so successfully would not really have had AS in childhood - be it a socially difficult one.



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04 Jul 2011, 6:51 pm

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He has a great role model... :)


That is very kind - but I just wanted to clarify that I am aware some of the facts I have given may come across as too "self-important".
Many of those facts just shine on paper (in conventional ways). In reality, I am painfully aware of my limitations.



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04 Jul 2011, 8:00 pm

goodolddays wrote:
draelynn wrote:
He has a great role model... :)


That is very kind - but I just wanted to clarify that I am aware some of the facts I have given may come across as too "self-important".
Many of those facts just shine on paper (in conventional ways). In reality, I am painfully aware of my limitations.


Everyone has limitations and no one is perfect. Those 'facts' are the same sort of facts most people have. It all looks very shiny on the surface but everyone has some sort of challenge in their life. You and your son just have different challenges than most people - and perhaps more of them.

If you have Asperger's - the fact that you finished high school, moved half way around the world, finished college, got married and have kids and a career is more than most people manage in life more or less those with a 'disability'. No one is promising that life will be easy - no one gets that promise. But he can take charge of his life and live it to the fullest - as you have, despite your challenges. You should be proud of what you have accomplished. I know plenty of 'normal' people with no challenges that haven't even accomplished a fraction of what you have.

Being proud isn't a bad thing. The biblical pride refers more to boastfulness. Being proud of your accomplishments is how you build self esteem.

You have alot on your plate at the moment. Give it some time to all sink in. And be kind to yourself in the process.



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04 Jul 2011, 11:21 pm

Figured I should chime in here. I'm fairly certain that if the AS diagnosis existed when I was a kid I'd have gotten that label. Now? Doubtful. I am a firm believer in the plasticity of the brain - the brain can develop new pathways, etc, to cope with any deficiencies. We are all constantly developing, even as adults. ASD's don't mean frozen development!

To give you a personal example, I used to have some pretty huge social issues. I had trouble talking to anyone outside the family. I was pretty bad up until jr. high or so. But through many varied life experiences I was able to get over this - for example I worked at a food service job where I was required to interact with the public. Later on, I became an ESL (English as a second language) instructor. I even fronted a band at one point.

I'm not saying I am a party animal now but as you have seen from your own personal experience people do change and develop over time, regardless of any ASD's.



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04 Jul 2011, 11:42 pm

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I have worked really hard over the years to overcome the social deficits that would hold me back, and help/will help my sons to do the same. I have also worked hard and will continue to work to address the sensory issues and anxiety that sometimes make my or my sons lives miserable. What remains after that are the unique ways that our brains work, which I wouldn't give up for anything. I like being passionate, driven and single-minded when it comes to my interests. I like ignoring pop culture, and not even noticing what "the Jones'" are up to, let alone trying to keep up with them. I like being introverted, and being content with a few good friendships, rather than many superficial, time consuming acquaintanceships. I like not being dependent on other people to entertain, console, educate or inspire me, which it seems most NT's are..


I admire your determination to do what's best for your kids. There are many parents here who make sacrifices and I take my hat off to all of them. Your strategy whether devised or learned on the job is inspirational and I think should be made into a kind of code for the parent of an autistic child.



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05 Jul 2011, 2:06 am

Wreck-Gar wrote:
Figured I should chime in here. I'm fairly certain that if the AS diagnosis existed when I was a kid I'd have gotten that label. Now? Doubtful. I am a firm believer in the plasticity of the brain - the brain can develop new pathways, etc, to cope with any deficiencies. We are all constantly developing, even as adults. ASD's don't mean frozen development!

To give you a personal example, I used to have some pretty huge social issues. I had trouble talking to anyone outside the family. I was pretty bad up until jr. high or so. But through many varied life experiences I was able to get over this - for example I worked at a food service job where I was required to interact with the public. Later on, I became an ESL (English as a second language) instructor. I even fronted a band at one point.

I'm not saying I am a party animal now but as you have seen from your own personal experience people do change and develop over time, regardless of any ASD's.


I can absolutely relate to your experiences, I also remember being called "clumsy" by my parents because I used to drop many things and just not pay attention. Now I can joggle tons of things going and up and down the stairs without dropping anything.
I also remember always leaving the toothpaste top off (I may have had ADD but not ADHD) until my father once made a huge roar about it, "putting the fear of God in me" - the ol' fashion way ...but it sure did work. 8O
To this day, I NEVER forget to put the darn toothpaste cap on. If it's not back on, I feel like I have my arm detached.



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05 Jul 2011, 2:32 am

goodolddays wrote:
I can absolutely relate to your experiences, I also remember being called "clumsy" by my parents because I used to drop many things and just not pay attention. Now I can joggle tons of things going and up and down the stairs without dropping anything.
I also remember always leaving the toothpaste top off (I may have had ADD but not ADHD) until my father once made a huge roar about it, "putting the fear of God in me" - the ol' fashion way ...but it sure did work. 8O
To this day, I NEVER forget to put the darn toothpaste cap on. If it's not back on, I feel like I have my arm detached.


I got called clumsy as well. I also had to do this special ed gym class when I was in jr high, it was me and this really overweight kid...I always felt awfully embarrassed by it. The other kids always asked, "What were you doing outside" and I just hung my head down and said, "nuthin."



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06 Jul 2011, 4:05 am

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I lived in a cocoon where the thought I had AS never occurred to me, not even once. After my daughter was Dx with HFA I peeled away the layers like an onion and it revealed to me the fairly obvious fact that I had AS. For simplicity I'll list the stages I went through;

1. Daughter's DX
2. Checked my family history - I suspected my father and brother had autism as they both had speech delays. Although both are fairly nuerotypical as adults, they are remarkably geeky and introverted preferring their own company.
3. I did some online AS tests and scored low on NT and high on AS
4. I looked back on my childhood and realized that my weirdness and introverted nature tied in with my score on the AS test.
5. I dwell on individual events and realized how autistic I really was.

For instance my mother has a home video of me when I was 6 yrs old where I am jumping up and down on the spot flapping my hands. I asked why I did that she explained I apparently derived pleasure out of it. Kids at school thought I was weird in primary school because I used to lie down horizontonally and drag myself around on the ground. My recollection was the activity was stimulating.

It's really weird that as an adult I never thought my behaviour (and my brother's) wasn't a diagnosable disorder. My parents thought process at the time is a mystery - perhaps they didn';t want to open that can of worms.

Back then if you were able to talk, attend school and learn and you didn't have an extra limb, then there was no need - or indeed anything to learn - by investigating further. You would have just been accepted as a bit odd but nothing more.



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06 Jul 2011, 5:19 am

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Back then if you were able to talk, attend school and learn and you didn't have an extra limb, then there was no need - or indeed anything to learn - by investigating further. You would have just been accepted as a bit odd but nothing more.


You are right. In addition the 1970s there was quite a big stigma associated with seeing a psychologist. My parents were old fashioned and the thought of seeking a diagnosis for a mental illness for their sons would have been social suicide for them.



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06 Jul 2011, 12:00 pm

I believe that I am on the spectrum. Definitely. My husband looks at me when we talk about my daughter and myself and says "Uh, you two are EXACTLY the same". He's an aspie too. Good grief....

I need to start having a sense of humor about it. But some days I want to go hide. My life makes more and more sense to me now. I just hope my daughter has it better than me because I work so hard to help her through things (my mother is clueless and is not emotionally available AT ALL...she is a child emotionally it's pretty bad) that my mother never did.

I developed social skills and I have that sense of pride when I get through a conversation, so I know what my daughter is feeling when she is anxious about something and accomplishes things. I know that look too well.

When therapists would tell me that they haven't seen a mother so connected with their child and how I anticipate her reaction to things..... uhm...there's my tipoff right there. I know what she is going to do because my gut/instinct/mental process is the same. Its been very eery, but I guess its been beyond helpful. I don't need books to describe ASD, I breathe it every second of every day.

Oh and also I can add that I know the woman who's sis in law is the head of the research dept at UCLA's autism program and they a study/interview of parents.... 99% of the parents have ASD traits.... the one's that didn't have them??? The kiddos were adopted... NO Joke!! !! !!



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06 Jul 2011, 8:01 pm

cyberdad wrote:
nostromo wrote:
Back then if you were able to talk, attend school and learn and you didn't have an extra limb, then there was no need - or indeed anything to learn - by investigating further. You would have just been accepted as a bit odd but nothing more.


You are right. In addition the 1970s there was quite a big stigma associated with seeing a psychologist. My parents were old fashioned and the thought of seeking a diagnosis for a mental illness for their sons would have been social suicide for them.


I was always the shy/quiet kid.



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07 Jul 2011, 3:39 am

But Goodolddays, even if you did have AS as a child, and have fought through and made a great success of things, it doesnt mean that your son will follow your pattern, he is a different individual. I dont mean he won't be successful, he may well be, who knows how his life will turn out, but you seem slightly fixated on the point of, "if I had AS as child and things worked out well for me, then that means all will go well for him, whereas if I was actually NT all along then how can I have hope for him?"
They do say ASD is a hugely wide spectrum, and perhaps you do have a few traits, but have managed to find ways to overcome and compensate.
Looking back on my own childhood, I too would have always been happy with one or two friends, seen individually, did not feel comfortable in groups, felt different in many ways , always felt awkward in my body and not feminine enough, many things that I've read here I can relate to, but probably not enough for a diagnosis.
Now I am a parent to a 13 year old where many of the signs are much more concentrated, but aspects of her I do understand.
By the way I found your life story fascinating reading, it did not seem too long, and I was very impressed by how you taught yourself english so well.
That physical stuff you're experiencing, yes it doesn sound stress based. Why not book yourself a massage? I think it could help a lot.



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07 Jul 2011, 5:26 am

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That physical stuff you're experiencing, yes it doesn sound stress based. Why not book yourself a massage? I think it could help a lot.


I think all the parent's here could do with one of those :lol:



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07 Jul 2011, 7:36 am

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I never took a serious IQ test, beginning to end, so I don't have an official evaluation of my "smart-ness".
I just remember scoring very high (99 percentile) on the verbal section of the GRE test (in English, which is not my primary language), average on the quantitative part, and below average on the analytical part.
I do feel quite intelligent in some ways and hardly so in other ways. For example, I feel really good at understanding nuances and depth when reading books of all sorts (especially non-fiction, academic, self-improvement, etc).

At the same time, I am still incapable of cracking up a spontaneous joke or throwing in some cool sarcasm, so I feel kind of dumb in this respect. If anything, I can put together some cynical, self-deprecating or just plain-deprecating kind of humor, but not the classic cool, spontaneous joking. I do appreciate and understand all kinds of humor and people who are so spontaneous and cool.


This describes me perfectly. They are defiantly Aspie like traits. They alone couldn't diagnose you, but you are defiantly closer to the spectrum than most.

A child is a collection of things from both parents. And it seems like you do have a lot of 'Aspieness' to pass on.