obsessed with Death and dying
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Maybe the medication he is on is not right for him.
Your second post gave better insight into what is going on. Had I known you already tried "ignoring" the behavior and it escalated I would have not wasted my time going on and on about that (not that Im upset, Im just saying). Since he does, however get upset when you ignore him, what is his reaction if you try to tell him that you love him, cant live without him? that sort of thing....is it the same?
What concerns me is that he has been doing this since he was young which I did not notice in your first post, sorry!
I would consider Bi Polar disorder....My oldest had BP and we think, autism as well....he was more BP than autistic but having them both together was really a challenge. Also he was not diagnosed until he was 12 so when we moved and left his Dad...even though his Dad was abusive this was hard for him. He did good for the first year and then met an older boy who he latched onto and started using drugs. There is a long line of addiction in my family, my Dad (clean when I was 14) my Grandfather (clean in his 20s and became a preacher) and my Great Grandfather who drank himself to death in his early 30's. It skipped a generation, obviously, because my brothers and I do not have this gene but my son did and he became very extreme in his drug use at age 16 when he was injecting meth. He was in and out of juvy, jail and twice in prison, the last time for 18 months. All for petty theft for drugs. He overdosed on August 14th after being clean for two years. He had one needle mark but did not use much heroin for an addict but way too much for someone who had been clean for two years. He also did not have his BP medication in his system so obviously he had stopped taking them which was always dangerous for him. Unfortunately no one got to him in time and he died on his friends bathroom floor. We believe he was in a depression state but he did not want to kill himself. The only time my son talked about killing himself was when he was about 8 and he tried to hang himself with his sheets because he did not want to go to school....this was also not serious, only a call for help.
I watched a documentary not long ago about a boy with BP who was always threatening suicide (more the depressive BP than the manic like my son) by jumping out a window. He finally did so at age 18? (If my memory serves me correctly I think he was in college and home for a holiday).
Anyway, my son was misdiagnosed over and over until I read the book called The Bi Polar Child....I strongly recommend you get this from the library or just buy it and read it. My son also had obsessions with knives and fire. We once found ten various knives under his bed and when he was older he had switch blades and butterfly knives.....he was not violent but liked to throw them and stick them in walls and just to have them. When he was younger he would have very horrible tantrums which he could not control and I would have to hold him and when he was bigger actually sit on him....these lasted sometimes for hours. Sometimes he would swear and spit at me but he would actually come to me, when they started and hug me....sometimes he would say "help me" and he would always tell me he was sorry and I would just hug him and cry....I just didnt know what was wrong and I didnt know how to help him. I remember finding that book in a book store one day and just sitting down on the floor and the more I read the more upset I got and I was crying by the time my Mom, who was with me, found me. People were staring at me but they didnt understand what I had been through. I always say that my son made me a better Mother, I never gave up on him, I always loved him and I would fight like a mother bear for him no matter how horrible he was. I knew that he suffered himself way more than we suffered him. He was exhausting but I can only imagine how it felt for him. Its one of the things I console myself with now.....my son no longer sufferers. I would rather have him here with me, I miss his voice and his ability to always make me laugh even when I was mad. I have to console myself with little things like that because loosing him is so horrible and so painful, its something no parent should ever have to feel. You should never hear the words "your son is dead"! Never!
He was so funny and crazy, like a big kid....and so intelligent, I miss him so much!
Anyway, I hope that your son and you get the help that you need.
Also just so you know, not all BP kids act the same some have more depression and only a bit of mania and some, like my son are mostly Manic and have only some depression which escalated more when he got older. Its actually two different types (I and II). My son was one that thought he could fly and would jump off a roof or out of a tree. He had a lot of scars from stitches but surprisingly never broke a bone! Also the stuff about your son wanting to be a vampire and wanting to go to the moon sound like hyper mania which include delusions and even hallucinations....my son had a little man on his shoulder and he would talk to him. At first I thought he was being silly but he was not. Also since your son was diagnosed with ADHD I assume he has hyper phases which is mania.....my son was hyper X 200!
HI liloleme
Without the medication he would be on a full time low and have his happy moments, maybe its not the right medication but it has positives. After our last visit to the Dr he decided that he would not take his medication Dr talking to much in front of him (new dr). I just came back for meeting with him and said to my husband Bi-polar but they are not seeing this. We have a strong history in both families of schzophrenia and they are looking at this I don't think so my sister has it and my brother-in-law and he is very different from them. Also my parents and my husbands mother and the list can go on. I feel some of them were wrongly dx.
We will review his medication in January, wish that we could all agree on diagnosis drives me crazy. He is all happy again for today how I describe him is "a bouncy ball that talks and then a bouncy ball thats lost its bounce".
Like your son he makes me laugh and smile with what he comes out with and his bizzare behaviour at times even when I am trying to be serious. At the same time I am crying inside because how sad he feels not sure how to help him. I tell him all the time I love him he replies ya right! he just needs me constantly and I think maybe also what's upsetting him is because my sister has terminal cancer and I can be pre-occupied with her. I only really visit her when he is at school, so he feels I love her more than him etc.
The Dr keeps telling me his not depressed I just look at them and think idiots, but unfortunatley I have to deal with these idiots no options in this country. Thanks for you reply its been very helpful.
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I too recommend a new doctor. While it is nice to have one that is not overreacting, attention seeking or real desire, there are definitely emotional regulation problems going on that need to be addressed. I'd recommend making a log of everything you've posted and a daily log seeing what sorts of things happen during his day that make him say this and how you react to it. More than likely there is a lack of words for communicating emotion the way he wants. If he is very sad all the time and not enjoying anything, you have an emergency situation.
A new doctor would be more convenient than an emergency room trip. I expect a major change in therapy is in order and maybe some antidepressants--which he wouldn't have to take forever, keep in mind. He's at a rough age where he could use all the help he can get. Best of luck.
I hope things are going better.
I can't believe the similarities with how you described your son and my son. Mine is 6 and he started hurting himself when he was 2. He hasn't tried to hurt himself since last spring and before that it had been awhile. He has anxiety problems along with asperger's and he would try to claw himself out of his skin or hitting his face when he was having an anxiety attack, sometimes acting like he was going to pull his eyes out. Lot's of bear hug holding to keep him from hurting himself.
But he's obsessed with dying. At first it was fear that he was going to die soon. And anytime he gets sick he freaks "Am I going to die?" when he turned 5 my mom said to him "You're getting so old now." and he freaked saying "No I'm not, I'm not old, I'm not going to die!"
So then I decided to talk to him about what happens when you die, I believe in reincarnation so I talked to him about that to help ease his fear of death that it's not an end, there's more life. That helped with his fear but now when he's sad or upset he says "I just want to end this life and start my new life."
He's obsessed with halloween, talks about it every single day. And is obsessed with what our bodies are made of, what's inside and want's descriptive details about what muscle, tendon, blood etc looks like.
He talks about death daily, but not about trying to kill himself yet, wondering if that's what I've got to look forward to? Wondering if your son had this kind of obsession when he was younger?
He also laughs inappropriately when he see's someone else get hurt, is this more of an Aspie trait or possible bipolar trait?
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Your Aspie score: 168 of 200
Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 39 of 200
You are very likely an Aspie
Hi seekingtruth
I can't say if that's what you got to look forward to I hope not, but as you said very similar. My son obsessed with vampires now, wants to blood everyone and believes he is one. I tell him its only fiction and he gets upset, so I don't any more.
He now tells me he is going to slit my throat, wants to be a sniper kill everyone etc for me its progressing all the time. I would get upset when he talks like that but now I don't or try not to. If I ignore he will keep changing what he is saying until I suppose he gets the reaction he requires.
Things have been good as him not trying to harm himself or worse, holidays now time to relax some what.
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That's good to hear. Holidays are worse for us, they get my son's anxiety up so much. He also has tourettes and gets tic's when he's having bad anxiety, usually from halloween until after x-mas.
I've read about sub types of Asperger's/autism and my son fits into the catagory of the fantasy boy where he's very confused about what's reality and what's fantasy. Sounds like your son may be in this catagory as well.
I do wonder if some of this obsession with such violence and gruesome stuff is also used for them as a stimulant to keep this world exciting to 'stay with us in it" if you know what I mean? Like it's so easy for him to just float away into his world of fantasy, is he using the adrenaline of gore to keep 'awake' in reality?
My son is such a sweet boy, I can't imagine he really hurting anyone, but laughing when he sees someone fall down or walk into a chair worries me and he says things like "I'm going to be a bad guy when I grow up."
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Looks like I'm most likely and Aspie myself, must be why I can understand my beautiful Aspie son so well.
Your Aspie score: 168 of 200
Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 39 of 200
You are very likely an Aspie
I get the same I am going to be a bad guy, my son also laughs when people hurt themselves. But my son also clumsy walks into doors and if we giggle he gets so mad and gets mad with the door.
My son is confused about reality I will read more about the fantasy boy, my son always looking for fun things to do, does unwind on his own but only for a few hours. Then he needs to be constantly entertained or that's when all the fantasy/gruesome/violent talk happens.
School is the biggest trigger for my son that's when death dying becomes more serious and worrying.
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Yep, school and grandma's house (don't ask
) have been the biggest problems for my son. Summer time when he's home with me things go so much better.
But I'm not ready to give up on school yet, even though he says every day how much he hates school, I just want to give it more of a chance to help him work through the issue of hating it before giving up on it.
Of course if it comes down to him needing medication to handle school that's where I'll draw the line.
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Looks like I'm most likely and Aspie myself, must be why I can understand my beautiful Aspie son so well.
Your Aspie score: 168 of 200
Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 39 of 200
You are very likely an Aspie
My son takes medication otherwise school would be a no no, hates school tells me everyday school refusal weekly.
He is dx with OCD and takes prozac just recently has helped with compulsive behaviours some were driving me crazy and the rest of the family. He also had violent thoughts that he couldn't get rid off.
He takes strattera for ADHD otherwise he would not focus both combinations have suicide warnings but he had this behaviour when he was not taking the medication. Its very difficult to know what to do, I have offered him home schooling but he doesn't want it. He would be very bored at home and no school. He has friends and is involved in sports very accomplished athlete even with the medication his anxiety levels are still too high.
I am working with the school and more recently the Autism service has got involved hopefully they will help and teach us as a family how to handle situations more positively. They will also assist the school. It took me a long time to get here hoping its going to be worth all the extra stress we endured.
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My son being so young is why I'm not ready to medicate yet, when he's older if he needs it I will consider it more appropriate.
My son has Asperger's, sensory integration disorder, anxiety disorder with OCD and tourettes. (although the Tourettes isn't a problem until the anxiety get's up there, then the tic's start)
I was in denial about the Asperger's as I knew very little about it and thought since he has great eye contact with me he was not autistic. The school counselor said without a doubt he is an Aspie, so I decided to believe the docs at that point, lol. But even though the school was quick to acknowledge the Asperger's diagnosis they've been slow to give us an IEP, only starting a second eval now as his second teacher has asked for it.
so it's strange, the school is very good on some things and not so good on others.
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Looks like I'm most likely and Aspie myself, must be why I can understand my beautiful Aspie son so well.
Your Aspie score: 168 of 200
Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 39 of 200
You are very likely an Aspie
I understand my son was 11yrs old when he started meds and it was for ADHD, hopefully you won't need to use it. Your son is young and can benefit from early interventions. Good luck, If I get any useful information from the Autism Service I will gladly share it.
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I saw this post from 7 years ago and I am wondering how your son is doing today? I have a step son who is fixating on very similar things. He is 15. I am looking for help on how to handle his obsession with dark topics. And most importantly will he grow out of it because right now it's consuming him and is really unhealthy.
