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02 Aug 2012, 4:53 pm

I think I had my first period when I was 13 or 14 and think that's when I stopped gaining height. I'm only 4 ft 8 and wear a size 1 shoe. I don't think it became regular til I was in my early 20's though ... I went a almost a whole year without one when I was 18-19 and never saw a doctor about it - I sure didn't miss it. I don't mind being short though.



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02 Aug 2012, 7:23 pm

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Can you gt her on a full cycle birth control pill? If you can do that she won't have a period or will have very minimal spotting. Then you don't have to worry about the hygeine issue as much, just make sure she takes the pill every single day.

I think that delaying things with hormones is a bad idea. It can really mess up physiology. I'm not talking fertility. I'm talking vertical growth and other things. If you delay it when you stop delaying things may not go the way they should have and she can retain some of her little girl traits for ever... think of the old style female gymnasts who are 4'5" and have high pitched little girl voices.

UM, unless I am mistaken, aren't BCPs hormones (well except for 5 of them in each month anyway)? What's the difference?


BCPs trick your body temporarily into thinking it might be pregnant, and won't affect other systems. The stuff they use to delay puberty really just shuts down normal endocrine function and physiologiclaly delays maturation and growth. Totally different. She would start giving the drugs to delay now. The BCP she would wait until the big P hits, then start giving them. So growth would occur normally and then really just the messy bit is eliminated.


The hormones in bcp do affect several of the body's systems, including moods. They can cause migraines and mood disorders. They may also have long-term effects that may not seem relevant now (infertility, decreased libido, blood clots... ) but could affect her life as an adult. What about seeing a naturopath who would consider the "whole person" involved?

Of course, my preferred approach would be to prepare for what are normal and, eventually, unavoidable changes starting now-ish. You might be surprised how well she handles it; I was.

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02 Aug 2012, 10:53 pm

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I started budding at age 9 when I started 3rd grade, I started body order at age ten and got ore body hair, I also started under arm hair when I was about 12, when I was nearly ten, I found hair down there but it was all light and not dark. I even started vaginal discharge at age 9 too. I started my period two weeks before my 12th birthday and I got a woman's body at age 12 after school started and my boobs got big too and that was very hard for me. I remember wishing then there was something I could take to slow down my puberty and early puberty was very hard for me. If my own child was emotionally immature, I think I would want to slow down his puberty too because that is what I would have liked done to me as a child. I suspected percosious (sp) puberty when I was in my teens and I would say I had a very mild case of it since others had it worse than I do because they started sooner.
Sorry, LeagueGirl, but if your first signs of puberty were at 9, you did not have precocious puberty. This is well within the normal range. Had your periods started at that time, then that would have been unusual. I was 8 when I first showed signs of puberty and, although I was probably one of the first in my class to develop breasts, it was not abnormally young. I took my first period 3 days after my 12th birthday, slightly earlier than most of my friends, but certainly not what would be considered precocious.



But I was ahead of everyone in my grade. It was very hard. I think you had it too since you started it at age 8.


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03 Aug 2012, 5:00 am

So, do you think a naturapath would be a more appropriate path to explore?

I am not against alternative medicine - in fact I have been looking for an Autism-aware hypnotist who works with children, as I think they could lessen the toilet anxiety, but I've not had much luck yet.

For DD especially alternative methods seem appropriate (I know that the homeopathic teething powders helped her a lot when she was a toddler, whereas they didn't seem to have the same effect for my NT girl at all).

What sort of practitioner do you think could help? I know that Chinese medicine often claims to help with hormonal imbalance - anyone got any experience with this? Or would a herbalist be more help?

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03 Aug 2012, 7:52 am

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CWA wrote:
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Can you gt her on a full cycle birth control pill? If you can do that she won't have a period or will have very minimal spotting. Then you don't have to worry about the hygeine issue as much, just make sure she takes the pill every single day.

I think that delaying things with hormones is a bad idea. It can really mess up physiology. I'm not talking fertility. I'm talking vertical growth and other things. If you delay it when you stop delaying things may not go the way they should have and she can retain some of her little girl traits for ever... think of the old style female gymnasts who are 4'5" and have high pitched little girl voices.

UM, unless I am mistaken, aren't BCPs hormones (well except for 5 of them in each month anyway)? What's the difference?


BCPs trick your body temporarily into thinking it might be pregnant, and won't affect other systems. The stuff they use to delay puberty really just shuts down normal endocrine function and physiologiclaly delays maturation and growth. Totally different. She would start giving the drugs to delay now. The BCP she would wait until the big P hits, then start giving them. So growth would occur normally and then really just the messy bit is eliminated.


The hormones in bcp do affect several of the body's systems, including moods. They can cause migraines and mood disorders. They may also have long-term effects that may not seem relevant now (infertility, decreased libido, blood clots... ) but could affect her life as an adult. What about seeing a naturopath who would consider the "whole person" involved?

Of course, my preferred approach would be to prepare for what are normal and, eventually, unavoidable changes starting now-ish. You might be surprised how well she handles it; I was.

J.


In many cases BCP can also help with those same symptoms you list. I suffered from horrid heavy cycles with debilitating pain, aweful mood swings and migraines that would floor me every month. BCP evened me out, I went on it at about age 12 when it became really clear that my cycle was just off the chart horrible. No ill effects. I basically went back ti being a kid. Best thing that happened. I was on them until I turned 28 or so. Came off of them. Got knocked up on my first try after coming off BCP. Got knocked up again at age 32. My SIL has also been on them since she was about 11. She is fine and is now 32. No kids, doesn't want them. She went on BCP due to a history of cysts and cancer in the family. I have two girls, it is likely they will go on them at the same age because the ovarian cancer gene runs on DHs side of the family (MIL and SIL have it, which means there is a 50% chance BOTH my daughters have it). I will have them tested first, but we're prepared for bad news on that front. I wouldn't hesitate to put them on BCP at age 11.

BCP does not affect several systems, they affect one system, the endocrine system. "moods" is not a seperate system. They affect the endocrine system and more specifically they affect a negative feed back loop that indicates to the body "pregnant" vs. "not pregnant". They basically mimic the first hormone release involved during conception and basically fools the body into thinking it might be pregnant there for putting a hold on the cycle.

NAturopaths are scam artists. Knowingly or unknowingly, they prey on desperate people. There is no testing on their treatments for safety or efficacy. Just because something comes from nature or a plant does NOT make it safe. For your perusal a list of things that come from nature: Ricin, Cocaine, hemlock, and nightshade. On top of that there is no proof or evidence that their treatments have any sort of positive effect.

Homeopathy is the largest scam perpetrated on people since santa claus. There is so little activie ingredient in each dose that there is no way it can be biologically active. On top of that the processes used to extract the compounds and then formulate the pills often destroys any bioactivity the compound might have had. This is because they don't use any good modern techniques. They use cheap antiquated techniques. You know why the FDA doesn't bother testing homeopathic medicines? Because there is no pharmacollogically active ingredient in them! They are all filler and no better than a sugar pill! If you want to say I don't know what I'm talking about go ahead, but I have done a lot of research on the topic and I am a chemist, I used to work at a research lab where we looked for bioactive compounds in plants and let me tell you, homeopathy is big time fake. When they list the concentration on the homeopathy bottle the concentration listed is so small that if you took *all* of the active ingredient from the whole bottle and put it in a pile you probably would not be able to see it without a magnifying glass or even a microscope. That is how dilute it is.

Sorry, but this is a topic that I have read a lot about and I think that treating real and/or serious conditions with homeopathy or naturopathy is a huge mistake. I have read so many horror stories of symptoms getting worse because the person is basically not being treated at all.



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03 Aug 2012, 8:41 am

Aspimum wrote:
So, do you think a naturapath would be a more appropriate path to explore?

I am not against alternative medicine - in fact I have been looking for an Autism-aware hypnotist who works with children, as I think they could lessen the toilet anxiety, but I've not had much luck yet.

For DD especially alternative methods seem appropriate (I know that the homeopathic teething powders helped her a lot when she was a toddler, whereas they didn't seem to have the same effect for my NT girl at all).

What sort of practitioner do you think could help? I know that Chinese medicine often claims to help with hormonal imbalance - anyone got any experience with this? Or would a herbalist be more help?

Ta.

N x


Hi there, I understand you are willing to do anything to help your daughter but please do not be desperate enough to try every alternative medicine under the sun. These practitioners are scam artists that take advantage of people who feel they have no other options. Sorry if that sounds harsh but that's the way I see it.



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03 Aug 2012, 9:43 am

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I am not against alternative medicine - in fact I have been looking for an Autism-aware hypnotist who works with children, as I think they could lessen the toilet anxiety, but I've not had much luck yet.


Just so you know, hypnotism relies on social communication...so, while every kid is different and there's always a possibility - there is a high likelihood that it just won't work on an Aspie. I know I've been considered a "bad subject" for hypnotism, and I am realizing it's probably because I am somewhere on the spectrum myself. It's apparently a great tool for dealing with anxiety - but I've never been able to access it (I did have a therapist who was really gung-ho on the idea, but never got it to work.)

Think about it - one of the things many hypnotists ask you to do is "look into their eyes." (not gonna happen with a large number of aspies/auties) Barring that, they often ask for focus on a spinning or swinging object - and if that made our kids susceptible to suggestion, this board probably wouldn't exist. Next are verbal suggestions of relaxation...you get the idea.

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03 Aug 2012, 1:17 pm

League_Girl wrote:
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I started budding at age 9 when I started 3rd grade, I started body order at age ten and got ore body hair, I also started under arm hair when I was about 12, when I was nearly ten, I found hair down there but it was all light and not dark. I even started vaginal discharge at age 9 too. I started my period two weeks before my 12th birthday and I got a woman's body at age 12 after school started and my boobs got big too and that was very hard for me. I remember wishing then there was something I could take to slow down my puberty and early puberty was very hard for me. If my own child was emotionally immature, I think I would want to slow down his puberty too because that is what I would have liked done to me as a child. I suspected percosious (sp) puberty when I was in my teens and I would say I had a very mild case of it since others had it worse than I do because they started sooner.
Sorry, LeagueGirl, but if your first signs of puberty were at 9, you did not have precocious puberty. This is well within the normal range. Had your periods started at that time, then that would have been unusual. I was 8 when I first showed signs of puberty and, although I was probably one of the first in my class to develop breasts, it was not abnormally young. I took my first period 3 days after my 12th birthday, slightly earlier than most of my friends, but certainly not what would be considered precocious.



But I was ahead of everyone in my grade. It was very hard. I think you had it too since you started it at age 8.
Earlier than most, but not precocious. This website explains it better than I can. http://www.patient.co.uk/doctor/Precocious-Puberty.htm


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03 Aug 2012, 1:40 pm

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I started budding at age 9 when I started 3rd grade, I started body order at age ten and got ore body hair, I also started under arm hair when I was about 12, when I was nearly ten, I found hair down there but it was all light and not dark. I even started vaginal discharge at age 9 too. I started my period two weeks before my 12th birthday and I got a woman's body at age 12 after school started and my boobs got big too and that was very hard for me. I remember wishing then there was something I could take to slow down my puberty and early puberty was very hard for me. If my own child was emotionally immature, I think I would want to slow down his puberty too because that is what I would have liked done to me as a child. I suspected percosious (sp) puberty when I was in my teens and I would say I had a very mild case of it since others had it worse than I do because they started sooner.
Sorry, LeagueGirl, but if your first signs of puberty were at 9, you did not have precocious puberty. This is well within the normal range. Had your periods started at that time, then that would have been unusual. I was 8 when I first showed signs of puberty and, although I was probably one of the first in my class to develop breasts, it was not abnormally young. I took my first period 3 days after my 12th birthday, slightly earlier than most of my friends, but certainly not what would be considered precocious.



But I was ahead of everyone in my grade. It was very hard. I think you had it too since you started it at age 8.
Earlier than most, but not precocious. This website explains it better than I can. http://www.patient.co.uk/doctor/Precocious-Puberty.htm



Then I must have been borderline then. So mild, doctors won't see it as such and mark it off as normal.

Seven is still too young and eight and nine. Ten is too young for a woman's body and luckily I never got it at that age. I knew someone who got it at age nine and seeing her old school photos, she had boobs in 1st grade.


Back in high school, starting puberty at seven or eight was considered precocious, did they just change it or what? Now it's younger than age seven and for boys, it's younger than age nine.

I know today kids enter it earlier so that could be why doctors would change the age for normal range of starting puberty to make it normal. But back in my days, kids entered it later and if I were born in 1995 or in 2005, mine be considered normal and maybe it wouldn't be so uncommon to see 12 year olds with big boobs or see 11 year olds with small boobs, same with women bodies or bodies that are changing into one. I can remember in 6th grade, kids had tiny boobs or developing ones. They still had girl bodies. Boys had no facial hair nor changes in their voice. Now today that may be all different and it won't be uncommon to see facial hair or body hair, or change in penis, big boobs, women bodies at that age.

People entering puberty sooner than their peers seem to run in my family because it happened with my brothers, my parents, my relatives.


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03 Aug 2012, 2:19 pm

My breasts started growing in third grade and my period started in fifth or sixth grade. I was probably a little early but not extremely so.



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04 Aug 2012, 1:06 pm

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Just so you know, hypnotism relies on social communication...so, while every kid is different and there's always a possibility - there is a high likelihood that it just won't work on an Aspie.


I used to use a hypnosis CD to get her off to sleep - it worked, until she refused to listen to it because she preferred staying up all night *sigh* so perhaps she's not a bad subject... I don't know...she's definitely more into belief things than I am, eg I am the world's biggest atheist and she reads the bible to herself. She's very imaginative, quite fanciful even.

I was always very sceptical about alternative medicine until I had my children. I have no idea why homeopathic teething granules should work, it makes NO sense to me at all - but they did with DD! Some of my friends visited a herbalist when our kids were babies. We lived in London and all babies living in high risk areas are innoculated against TB. When our babies were born, the batch of vaccine at the hospital was recalled. So we were asked to get our babies innoculated at 6 months instead. Well, perhaps because the community nurses weren't used to doing it, many of our babies were given an intradermal injection too deeply that caused a really nasty infection. Some of the babies arms were unbelievably sore and this went on for 4 or 5 months and kept getting worse. Conventional medicine was unable to help - all they did was send the babies for lung x-rays to check they hadn't accidentally been given TB! But 2 of my friends consulted a herbalist and once they gave whatever it was she gave them, it got better - really fast.

Nowadays I am so sick of hitting a brick wall when asking for help with DD that I will try anything. I am tired of being fobbed off. I spent 5 years trying to get someone to assess her rather than writing 'over anxious mother' on the notes. Even when the ed psych went into school to observe her the teacher said "I've got children with real problems in this class - why are you here to see her?". I've been waiting for the referral the school nurse said she would send for the community paediatrician to help me with the toilet thing since she was in year 1 (she's about to go into year 5 now). I finally got a diagnosis and I had to write and ring and complain to get the written report. It's tiring.

I think I will ask to go back to Midlands Psychology and see if they can suggest anything. Not holding my breath, though.

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