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17 Sep 2012, 5:11 pm

I think it might be a moot point now. She sent us an ultra nasty email that has basically caused my husband to decide to not talk to her anymore. It's actually pretty sad because it's plain from the email that she doesn't love anyone but herself.



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17 Sep 2012, 5:58 pm

This sounds a lot like my mother to be honest. I believe that my mother either has multiple complex developmental disorder (combining psychotic symptoms with autism and narcissism) or that she is autistic and has learned to use narcissism as a means of compensating for her lack of ability to make sense of her social and familial relationships.

Either way...if your MIL is narcissistic, than there's a good chance that she'll use this bit of information as a source of narcissistic supply as well. You may or may not be comfortable with that. I personally believe that a narcissist needs to do this because it helps them to connect with other people on a slightly deeper than the surface level, but the mainstream theory is that they are actually just "emotional vampires" and get pleasure from talking about other people's difficulties.

I think that the bottom line is, if you truly feel that you are in control of your own lives...and you honestly just wish to share this with her for no other reason than you simply want her to know, and want her to be in the loop, than go for it. If it's any other reason besides "you want to", than you would probably be doing it for the wrong reason (such as fear, obligation or guilt), which would place the control in her hands.

I feel your pain though, I truly do. Dealing with these people can be a nightmare...literally. I am fairly certain that I might have post traumatic stress disorder from dealing with a lifetime of this garbage...and it manifests in the form of reoccurring nightmares! Your situation is nothing to take lightly, especially when there are children to protect.



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18 Sep 2012, 7:21 am

Sorry to hear that. Although you are now in a "nothing to loose" position, maybe you could fire off an email back and give her something to think about. Maybe if she understood your problems she might think twice, but then maybe not :(

At least its come to an end. My husband fell out with his Dad and although it was a shame and caused some problems with other members of the family who still saw him, it was a weight off our shoulders as we didnt need to worry about what he was going to say to upset us everytime we visited or what nasty email he would send. We were suddernly happier becuase we werent constantly going over everything and trying to work out the situation.



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18 Sep 2012, 7:44 am

CWA, I understand what you must be going through just now. Although there's the relief that you don't have to deal with her, it's still a very stressful and heartbreaking thing to face. My husband doesn't speak to his Mum either. He has told her that he's there for when he's needed, i.e. DIY stuff, but she hasn't called him at all in 2 years. She gets cards (my name isn't on them) and my husband and daughter get cards, but that's it. She's a very selfish woman, unbelievably childish and I put up with a lot, over 20 years. She's definitely not on the spectrum and I'm not going to make any excuses for her behaviour. I do think she was spoiled. She's the same age as my Mum and also working class, but she went to singing and ice-skating classes, etc, things that most people of that generation and 'class' could only dream of. She also appears to have had a very lavish wedding, according to the photos anyway. I don't know how her parents could afford it, (although there only 2 kids in the family, not 6 as in my Mum's) but it makes me wonder if this upbringing has resulted in the adult she became.

On the night we had our falling out, there was a lot of things I didn't say. I was so shocked at some of the stuff she was coming out with that I was almost dumbstruck. This sounds absolutely ridiculous, but she told me that she was upset about a photo that was taken at my wedding (now 18 years ago). It was supposed to be a photo of the close family members (parents, brother, SIL). My Mum called over my cousin to join us. My cousin was 16yrs and had been orphaned a few years prior to that. My parents had taken him in and treat him as their son, even today. He's just like a brother to me and, as you can imagine, our family would not have dreamt of leaving him out of such a photo. She had never mentioned that she was not happy about that, but let it fester away for 16 years. There were other similar matters which had been niggling at her for years, most of which were really nothing to do with me and were in fact down to my parents, all of which were equally daft. I wrote a letter, which I never sent, but it helped me to get my thoughts in order. I'm emotional but also logical and nothing she said makes any sense to anyone with a grain of intelligence.

Once she mentioned that photo, I felt justified in not wanting to ever see her again. I don't need that sort of stress in my life. Life is stressful enough.


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18 Sep 2012, 8:07 am

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Had to post this lol....

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This is good. However, I must say I got a good man. Apparently he's a rebel, i.e. he's not like her. She doesn't appreciate how well he turned out and she should be very proud of him, but isn't. I'm glad I didn't end up with her other son, however.


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18 Sep 2012, 12:55 pm

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CWA, I understand what you must be going through just now. Although there's the relief that you don't have to deal with her, it's still a very stressful and heartbreaking thing to face. My husband doesn't speak to his Mum either. He has told her that he's there for when he's needed, i.e. DIY stuff, but she hasn't called him at all in 2 years. She gets cards (my name isn't on them) and my husband and daughter get cards, but that's it. She's a very selfish woman, unbelievably childish and I put up with a lot, over 20 years. She's definitely not on the spectrum and I'm not going to make any excuses for her behaviour. I do think she was spoiled. She's the same age as my Mum and also working class, but she went to singing and ice-skating classes, etc, things that most people of that generation and 'class' could only dream of. She also appears to have had a very lavish wedding, according to the photos anyway. I don't know how her parents could afford it, (although there only 2 kids in the family, not 6 as in my Mum's) but it makes me wonder if this upbringing has resulted in the adult she became.

On the night we had our falling out, there was a lot of things I didn't say. I was so shocked at some of the stuff she was coming out with that I was almost dumbstruck. This sounds absolutely ridiculous, but she told me that she was upset about a photo that was taken at my wedding (now 18 years ago). It was supposed to be a photo of the close family members (parents, brother, SIL). My Mum called over my cousin to join us. My cousin was 16yrs and had been orphaned a few years prior to that. My parents had taken him in and treat him as their son, even today. He's just like a brother to me and, as you can imagine, our family would not have dreamt of leaving him out of such a photo. She had never mentioned that she was not happy about that, but let it fester away for 16 years. There were other similar matters which had been niggling at her for years, most of which were really nothing to do with me and were in fact down to my parents, all of which were equally daft. I wrote a letter, which I never sent, but it helped me to get my thoughts in order. I'm emotional but also logical and nothing she said makes any sense to anyone with a grain of intelligence.

Once she mentioned that photo, I felt justified in not wanting to ever see her again. I don't need that sort of stress in my life. Life is stressful enough.


Sounds a lot like mine. When I was pregnant with dd2.5 she literally picked a fight with me just to make herself look like a victim. Heres briefly how it went down. I was in DD5;s room (she was 2.5 at the time though) changing her diaper. I was changing her diaper and she was screaming and thrashing around as she hated diaper changes, period (which yeah, I now see this as a red flag for AS but hind sight is always 20/20). MIL sticks her head into the room and says, "I just needed to make sure you weren't beating her." And not in a kidding way, she was pretty nasty. So I stormed out of the room and lit into her. WEll, As soon as I did it, I knew I'd been had. NO ONE heard what she said to me, so it looked like I was just having a fit over nothing. She then played the victim, acted innocent, and lit into a tirade about how MY mother never liked my husband and how that hurt her to the core (At the time my mother had been dead for 6 years) and how she would always hold it against ME that my mother didn't like my husband. Seriously now, wtf?

Anyway we figure she has borderline personality disorder or narcissitic personality disorder. Can't see it any other way.



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18 Sep 2012, 1:13 pm

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Sounds a lot like mine. When I was pregnant with dd2.5 she literally picked a fight with me just to make herself look like a victim. Heres briefly how it went down. I was in DD5;s room (she was 2.5 at the time though) changing her diaper. I was changing her diaper and she was screaming and thrashing around as she hated diaper changes, period (which yeah, I now see this as a red flag for AS but hind sight is always 20/20). MIL sticks her head into the room and says, "I just needed to make sure you weren't beating her." And not in a kidding way, she was pretty nasty. So I stormed out of the room and lit into her. WEll, As soon as I did it, I knew I'd been had. NO ONE heard what she said to me, so it looked like I was just having a fit over nothing. She then played the victim, acted innocent, and lit into a tirade about how MY mother never liked my husband and how that hurt her to the core (At the time my mother had been dead for 6 years) and how she would always hold it against ME that my mother didn't like my husband. Seriously now, wtf?

Anyway we figure she has borderline personality disorder or narcissitic personality disorder. Can't see it any other way.
She sounds delightful. Most of the animosity my MIL holds about me is not about me at all. It's about my parents. My parents are lovely people too (especially my Dad whom everyone describes as a proper gentleman). She looks down on them, I think this is mainly because my Mum speaks with a broad Scots dialect (which is nothing to do with class, but due to the fact that she grew up in a small village further down the valley). But, my MIL sees this as class related, i.e. the middle classes only speak standard English. My Dad speaks in standard English, so my MIL has always thought my Dad had the 'better' upbringing, when the opposite is true. This sort of thing has always been in her mind when she has been in my house, especially when my parents have been here. I'm not sure if this class distinction is understood in other parts. But, the gist of the matter is that my MIL is a snob.

BTW The first sign of my daughter's ASD was the nappy (diaper) change screaming. It started the day she was born and continued until she was out of nappies altogether. I had no idea that was a red flag then, but I do now.


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18 Sep 2012, 3:10 pm

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Sounds a lot like mine. When I was pregnant with dd2.5 she literally picked a fight with me just to make herself look like a victim. Heres briefly how it went down. I was in DD5;s room (she was 2.5 at the time though) changing her diaper. I was changing her diaper and she was screaming and thrashing around as she hated diaper changes, period (which yeah, I now see this as a red flag for AS but hind sight is always 20/20). MIL sticks her head into the room and says, "I just needed to make sure you weren't beating her." And not in a kidding way, she was pretty nasty. So I stormed out of the room and lit into her. WEll, As soon as I did it, I knew I'd been had. NO ONE heard what she said to me, so it looked like I was just having a fit over nothing. She then played the victim, acted innocent, and lit into a tirade about how MY mother never liked my husband and how that hurt her to the core (At the time my mother had been dead for 6 years) and how she would always hold it against ME that my mother didn't like my husband. Seriously now, wtf?

Anyway we figure she has borderline personality disorder or narcissitic personality disorder. Can't see it any other way.
She sounds delightful. Most of the animosity my MIL holds about me is not about me at all. It's about my parents. My parents are lovely people too (especially my Dad whom everyone describes as a proper gentleman). She looks down on them, I think this is mainly because my Mum speaks with a broad Scots dialect (which is nothing to do with class, but due to the fact that she grew up in a small village further down the valley). But, my MIL sees this as class related, i.e. the middle classes only speak standard English. My Dad speaks in standard English, so my MIL has always thought my Dad had the 'better' upbringing, when the opposite is true. This sort of thing has always been in her mind when she has been in my house, especially when my parents have been here. I'm not sure if this class distinction is understood in other parts. But, the gist of the matter is that my MIL is a snob.

BTW The first sign of my daughter's ASD was the nappy (diaper) change screaming. It started the day she was born and continued until she was out of nappies altogether. I had no idea that was a red flag then, but I do now.


Haha yes my MIL is also very "classest" which is funny, because she has none. Haha. She always looked down on my parents and would ask me what it was like to be raised so "poor". Uh. My parent's aren't poor, they're rich. Just because someone is blue collar and shops at walmart doesn't mean they weren't VERY smart with their money. My dad has over 50 properties and a stock portfolio that would make you faint. But, he is an old dog who won't learn new tricks so yea, still buys his clothes at walmart, drives a beater, and has junk in his back yard. Anyway, it's a funny question for her to ask since she was actually raised "poor" herself. She just "thinks" shes rich. She spends like she is and has the debt to prove it though... My MIL is also a total snob and thinks I'm not good enough to marry her son. It's hilarious because if anything my "background" is way better than his. She just has a very revisionist history going on.