VENT : How rude is this ? And how to respond ?
I took the OP to be making a sarcastic reference, based on her other numerous posts, not that she meant it literally. I may be wrong, but that was how I interpreted the remark.
In other words that she meant it to be critical of her SIL's attitude that OP's worries equate to being negative. I may not be wording it right because if you look at my screen name you will see that I am on the spectrum, too. I was not validating it as an appropriate attitude to have about Aspies or Auties. I was only saying the comment would likely upset the average pregnant/wanna-be-pregnant woman.
I think for my SIL, this is actually more about my son's chronic developmental delay as opposed to him actually being on the spectrum. There are many autistic people that I know who are far more intelligent than I am & I personally don't have a problem with being the mother of an autistic child. I don't think my SIL is anti - autistic, either. I think the REAL issue for her is my son's level of functioning and his chronic developmental problems - this seems to have rained on her parade of eventually having that perfect baby who meets his or her milestones like clock work. Since any child she has will be closely related to my son, she probably is freaked out by the possibility that my future nephew / niece MAY have some challenges, too. I have a feeling that she would have been less affected by my "negativity" if my son was communicating and just a little bit delayed or was "high functioning" - KWIM ?
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I am. I just called the specialist's office myself and secured an appointment for my son. Granted, it is in January and my SIL could have gotten him in sooner, using her "influence", but who cares ? He is going to be seen, eventually, and that is all that matters.
I am leaving SIL well alone... God bless her.
Thanks, CWA.
Asking for empathy on an autism/Asperger's forum? You reach too far in my opinion.
I personally agree that "the above statement" previously mentioned could have been the problem though.
That combined with asking for empathy in a community of a certain group of people who have trouble empathizing simply says to me you may have difficulties in judging your audience and knowing how to form your words for maximum effectiveness.
Do I think it's silly that your sister in law and her sister can't be upfront and direct? Absolutely. But you also make it seem like you simply used her to get your son seen and nothing more.
Please look inside your self before attacking "us".
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Asking for empathy on an autism/Asperger's forum? You reach too far in my opinion.
I personally agree that "the above statement" previously mentioned could have been the problem though.
That combined with asking for empathy in a community of a certain group of people who have trouble empathizing simply says to me you may have difficulties in judging your audience and knowing how to form your words for maximum effectiveness.
Do I think it's silly that your sister in law and her sister can't be upfront and direct? Absolutely. But you also make it seem like you simply used her to get your son seen and nothing more.
Please look inside your self before attacking "us".
Thank you, Taverson.
I think the above statement is the problem. I know you did not mean anything bad, but to a pregnant or aspiring pregnant woman, that would be very upsetting (If I am comprehending correctly and you said that instead of just thinking it.) That is probably why she is calling it "negativity."
You're right; The above statement is the problem... If you think that would be upsetting to an aspiring mother to be, imagine how it feels for someone who's autistic to read him/herself being described in that way... You know, we're people too. Whatever hell you think your life is going to become as a result of raising one of us doesn't even begin to compare to the hell we live every single day, especially when people refer to us like this all the time... You and the OP should be ashamed of yourselves. I feel bad for the children of both of you.
Are you for real ? Do you know how much my son is suffering ? Do you even barely get how hard it is to watch him struggle ? My SIL knows what I go through and probably worries that she may end up in a similar situation. No matter how you put it, seeing your child suffer is like having your heart ripped out from your body every moment of the day and trampled on relentlessly.
You worry about the here and now, and you worry about the future of your child. What happens to him after you are dead and gone and no longer around to look out for him and care for him ? You see, not everyone is high functioning or a Bill Gates or an Edison or an Einstein. Some of us do end up with children who may end up low functioning as adults and need constant supervision and care. If those children suffer, their parents suffer even more... Fear is a constant factor in your life when you have a child who, you fear, will never be able to speak or read or write or post on an Internet forum. A child who is vulnerable in every way possible and every day that they live. A child you want to protect for the rest of Eternity, except that no one lives eternally, and, one day, you will go, leaving that vulnerable child behind, alone, and defenseless. Do you get how that would make a parent feel, Mister ? You hope that your child will get up to speed some day but what if he never ?
You, sir, have NO clue what parents with a child who suffers on multiple levels go through. Grow some empathy in your system while you are at it.
So it's possible I misunderstood exactly what was meant, but in my defense, every bit of information I see relating to help and autism is ALWAYS from the perspective of a parent going "oh woe is me, my child won't be what I wanted him to be," and autistic or not, that's a BS thing to be upset about. It also doesn't take into consideration WHATSOEVER, how WE feel about it. How about supporting the autistic people(ADULTS TOO, not just kids. It's not like we turn 18, and it just goes away) instead of just pandering to the parents? The way you worded this(and the way most of these kinds of things are worded) paints us as nothing but a burden and makes it seem like we should be all sympathetic toward the parents only. It treats us as a problem. That's incredibly insulting and disrespectful, and frankly, I'm sick and tired of it.
Don't sit there and try to tell me to grow some empathy. I have empathy... toward your child, but not so much toward you. I grew up with parents who wanted nothing more than to change every damn thing about me. Every single thing I did was "wrong" or "stupid." I got bitched at for not being "normal" my entire life, and then here you come, complaining about YOUR troubles caused by your autistic child... Excuse me all to hell for not being sympathetic. If you didn't mean it the way you came off, then I apologize. Just remember that your child has feelings too, and that you need to support him, not just "deal with him." I'm sure it's difficult for the parent as well, but it's at least as difficult for the child, and you need to understand that and try your best not to add to it by viewing him as a burden. High functioning or not, he WILL pick up on it. As someone who lived thru that, I'm telling you now, DON'T do that to your child. You will destroy his self esteem if you do.
And like someone else already said, you're asking for empathy in the wrong place. As the mother of a person with autism, I'd expect you to have researched autism and know that a supposed lack of empathy is one of the signs/symptoms of autism.
Asking for empathy on an autism/Asperger's forum? You reach too far in my opinion.
I personally agree that "the above statement" previously mentioned could have been the problem though.
That combined with asking for empathy in a community of a certain group of people who have trouble empathizing simply says to me you may have difficulties in judging your audience and knowing how to form your words for maximum effectiveness.
Do I think it's silly that your sister in law and her sister can't be upfront and direct? Absolutely. But you also make it seem like you simply used her to get your son seen and nothing more.
Please look inside your self before attacking "us".
I also saw the irony in that part of her post. They say about autism that we lack empathy so telling us to have it is ironic.
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Daughter: NT, no diagnoses. Possibly OCD. Is very private about herself.
Asking for empathy on an autism/Asperger's forum? You reach too far in my opinion.
I personally agree that "the above statement" previously mentioned could have been the problem though.
That combined with asking for empathy in a community of a certain group of people who have trouble empathizing simply says to me you may have difficulties in judging your audience and knowing how to form your words for maximum effectiveness.
Do I think it's silly that your sister in law and her sister can't be upfront and direct? Absolutely. But you also make it seem like you simply used her to get your son seen and nothing more.
Please look inside your self before attacking "us".
I also saw the irony in that part of her post. They say about autism that we lack empathy so telling us to have it is ironic.
Indeed. DerStadtschutz put it quite perfectly with the following:
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WrongPlanet rules are being broken in this thread. While it is acceptable to disagree with the views of another member, it is not acceptable to insult other members. Some members appear to have been provoked into making statements which others have taken offence to. Furthermore, this is a parents' discussion subforum. Views of non-parents are very welcome here, however, respect must be shown, at all times, from everyone.
To all non-parent visitors to this forum, please note that parents worry about their children. When we are discussing our worries and concerns, we do not mean any disrespect to adults with autism. The parenting forum is not special, however, parents using this forum have children from the full autistic spectrum and some children have additional disabilities too. I think it is understandable that some parents have very deep concerns about their children's futures. The other forums tend to get most contributions from people at the higher end of the spectrum. I would ask that members please bear this in mind in future.
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