I hope its just a case of being in that age group were kids get stupid for awhile(11/13 I mis-printed), It concerns me that they have figured out quite well what gets me going and sometimes act on it, We do share some key intrests and I think their good kids at heart so I will have to see as time goes on. the fact that I have such younger brothers comforts me becouse in all likelyhood they will outlast me so it may prevent me from getting loanly in my elder years, not that I am very close to that.