More compulsive lying about school work

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31 Jan 2013, 10:49 am

Wow, that's a good one!

OK, so, back to homework: DS has just found out the hard way that if he doesn't do his homework he gets an F (a middle school thing) and THEN we make him do it anyway. We set this up from day 1 of middle school...it's do it now and get the grade you deserve, or do it later and get an F (which somehow matters to him without freaking him out - who knew?) DS is somewhat stressed out this week because he got behind in some stuff, and we are making him do it over, PLUS double-checking that it has been done and keeping him on task.

All of this wasn't necessarily his fault - he has executive function failings and the teachers are supposed to be signing off on his assignment book and they aren't. However, I am setting the expectation that we do the work, even if it is late and we don't get anything for the trouble of doing it: the rule is that the work gets done. So far, it's working (I think in part due to some jumps he's made in maturity and not entirely due to this technique.)



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31 Jan 2013, 11:17 am

Momtosparky, As far as doing the homework for school the first time or at home for an F we try to do that too, with a 50/50 result out of it id say. I think its a good policy we are going to stick to. It stinks your ds teachers are not signing the assignment books. I am going to try to set this up with my son now too as he has proven he needs it. I realize its inconvenient for the teachers after awhile, but if its what it takes to keep a kid on track its got to be done. I hope we don't run into the same problem although I am sort of expecting it. Our meeting with learning assistants and my ds school work issues is going to be monday morning and Im hoping to put alot of new rules into place ( wish me luck). You would think they cant just let them float along, lost when they need this stuff (planners) checked, where do they draw the line for letting an unorganized kid fall on his face? Everyone's advice on this thread has been very helpful and I thank you all. I see this as an ongoing struggle for us, Im sure I will be posting more about it in the very near future :)



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31 Jan 2013, 12:19 pm

momsparky wrote:
Wow, that's a good one!

OK, so, back to homework: DS has just found out the hard way that if he doesn't do his homework he gets an F (a middle school thing) and THEN we make him do it anyway. We set this up from day 1 of middle school...it's do it now and get the grade you deserve, or do it later and get an F (which somehow matters to him without freaking him out - who knew?) DS is somewhat stressed out this week because he got behind in some stuff, and we are making him do it over, PLUS double-checking that it has been done and keeping him on task.

All of this wasn't necessarily his fault - he has executive function failings and the teachers are supposed to be signing off on his assignment book and they aren't. However, I am setting the expectation that we do the work, even if it is late and we don't get anything for the trouble of doing it: the rule is that the work gets done. So far, it's working (I think in part due to some jumps he's made in maturity and not entirely due to this technique.)


I think I understand the method to your madness. The point of this is to make him more responsible for his homework and even if he sees no point to an activity he needs to do it anyway.



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31 Jan 2013, 3:15 pm

cubedemon6073 wrote:
I think I understand the method to your madness. The point of this is to make him more responsible for his homework and even if he sees no point to an activity he needs to do it anyway.


Yup, that's right - and also that he can't use "forgetting" and an F as an excuse not to do the work. It is difficult to get him to see that this is the way things work, but he is slowly coming along (and he certainly never intends to get an F...but I'm sure as an adult he will fully intend to pay his taxes, but if we don't overcome this particular challenge he might wind up in jail, as the US government does not care about intentions.)

We are getting there with the teachers. The problem is that DS looks completely NT as long as he has all the supports he needs...it isn't until the supports go away that he starts showing how much he really needs them. I think the teachers think we are crazy, and frankly, I don't care.



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31 Jan 2013, 3:30 pm

I can relate to this. "I think the teachers think we are crazy, and frankly, I don't care." <---- love it.



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31 Jan 2013, 6:12 pm

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Yup, that's right - and also that he can't use "forgetting" and an F as an excuse not to do the work. It is difficult to get him to see that this is the way things work, but he is slowly coming along (and he certainly never intends to get an F...but I'm sure as an adult he will fully intend to pay his taxes, but if we don't overcome this particular challenge he might wind up in jail, as the US government does not care about intentions.)


All of this is so true. You're trying to get him to understand the bigger picture.

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We are getting there with the teachers. The problem is that DS looks completely NT as long as he has all the supports he needs...it isn't until the supports go away that he starts showing how much he really needs them. I think the teachers think we are crazy, and frankly, I don't care.


Here are some quotes to think about.

“The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently.”
― Friedrich Nietzsche

“In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule.”
― Friedrich Nietzsche

“We do not have to visit a madhouse to find disordered minds; our planet is the mental institution of the universe.”
― Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

“Do you think it's possible for an entire nation to be insane?”
― Terry Pratchett, Monstrous Regiment