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09 May 2007, 1:33 pm

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I could never bring a child into this world-he/she might have AS and I just couldnt see my chld suffer like I did/am :(


Same thing here, with odds that high I wouldn't do it, though I really, really want to have kids one day. I do not feel my life is worth living (i don't kill myself because it would hurt people i love) and I wouldn't want to inflict problems similar to the ones I've had on someone else.


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If I were about to become a dad, I would hope my child would be an Aspie, because otherwise I'd be largely clueless as to how I should raise him or her.



The only other aspie i've met in person is the dad of two NTs (with an NT mom). They are one of the happiest, nicest families i've ever seen. At least in their case, AS was not a problem for raising kids well. In my particular case, I at least have the common sense to tell the difference between explosives and toys, and to know that kids need love and affection but also clear, reasonable rules and consistency. So i would be concerned about the genetics, not about the parenting. If there were a way of selecting non-AS sperm cells so that only those would fertilise an egg, then I would gladly have biological children if i found a partner.


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09 May 2007, 7:37 pm

I am an Aspie mom, married to an Aspie dad, and (surprise, surprise!!) we have an Aspie daughter. I think being an Aspie mom is a Herculean challenge. However, it can be done, and I must agree that it is probably easier for an Aspie to raise an Aspie than an NT. I am thrilled with my daughter, and, not to be rude, but, would have likely been disappointed with an NT child. I value my Aspieness, and have realized in retrospect that all of the important people in my life have been Aspies or had significant Aspie traits. So, if you are proud to be Aspie, then don't worry about having Aspie kids. If you aren't, then think carefully, as they say autism if over ninety percent genetic.



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10 May 2007, 6:45 pm

I would respond to the suggestion that it is morally wrong to bring a child into this world who has non-nt problems with my opinion, which is that it is morally wrong to deny someone the right to live because they aren't just exactly like everybody else, or fitting into a narrow group of "acceptable diversity." This world that claims to celebrate our differences is dead-set against any difference that might put them out or make them look like they might not be the finest creatures in the universe. They like "uniqueness" that they can see and has a catchy beat.

One thing I've learned about people is that they are very magnanimous until somebody crosses them, acts in a manner they consider willfully difficult... then without further investigation they conclude the other person's fault or flaw gives them the right to treat that person any way they like. There are only equal human rights for humans that fit the mold. So I guess we're not human...

Everyone has something to overcome. Even NTs. Some more than others... but I believe we each get the problems we need. I wouldn't trade for anything. Who knows what, of the gifts I have being the way I am, I'd have to sacrifice if I was to suddenly get to wish myself NT?

I find it arbitrary to terminate a kid just because they're different... arbitrary, selfish, and unfair. My parents could have decided to off me because they didn't want a 9th kid. A lot of people wouldn't blame them. But here I am, and my husband, poor deluded soul, is glad of it.


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10 May 2007, 6:57 pm

I'm raising two fabulous throw away kids. One definitely Aspie, one physically sexually and emotionally abused. They both have issues to overcome in their young lives, but I wouldn't trade either one for the proverbial million [ I'll let you have the dog for a lot less]. If I were young enough to have children again I would and I would take whatever was given to me. Raising any child tests any adult to their limit, plan on it. If you want children do it, if you don't want them get yourself neutered or spayed and stop worrying about passing your genetic material on to future generations, they don't need it. Life is a gamble, deal the cards and play the hand you are dealt.

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10 May 2007, 9:45 pm

Hi Corsarzs,

you are a very good person. And unusually sane, for a human being... :D I like your comments a lot. May you live a long and happy life.


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11 May 2007, 11:57 am

I personally wouldnt mind an AS child, I would accept it.



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11 May 2007, 5:08 pm

irishwhistle wrote:
I would respond to the suggestion that it is morally wrong to bring a child into this world who has non-nt problems with my opinion, which is that it is morally wrong to deny someone the right to live because they aren't just exactly like everybody else, or fitting into a narrow group of "acceptable diversity." This world that claims to celebrate our differences is dead-set against any difference that might put them out or make them look like they might not be the finest creatures in the universe. They like "uniqueness" that they can see and has a catchy beat.

One thing I've learned about people is that they are very magnanimous until somebody crosses them, acts in a manner they consider willfully difficult... then without further investigation they conclude the other person's fault or flaw gives them the right to treat that person any way they like. There are only equal human rights for humans that fit the mold. So I guess we're not human...

Everyone has something to overcome. Even NTs. Some more than others... but I believe we each get the problems we need. I wouldn't trade for anything. Who knows what, of the gifts I have being the way I am, I'd have to sacrifice if I was to suddenly get to wish myself NT?

I find it arbitrary to terminate a kid just because they're different... arbitrary, selfish, and unfair.


I wouldn't not have kids because of what society thinks, even though humans tend to be viciously tribal, i don't give a s**t about society. But if I had kids and they inherited my social incompetence and my need for love, friendship and companionship, they would be extremely unhappy. Period. Even if they had great parents, even if they met people that they liked and that liked them back. And that I don't find acceptable. I will not be responsible for knowingly ruining someone else's life. I will not bring more unhappy people into the world, no matter how much I may want to have kids. If I had a sex life, I would have a vasectomy.


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11 May 2007, 10:45 pm

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Hi Corsarzs,

you are a very good person. And unusually sane, for a human being... :D I like your comments a lot. May you live a long and happy life.


Thank you, willem, I am honored. Live long and prosper, my friend.


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11 May 2007, 10:52 pm

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I will not be responsible for knowingly ruining someone else's life. I will not bring more unhappy people into the world, no matter how much I may want to have kids. If I had a sex life, I would have a vasectomy.


Glad to see you've accepted sound advice..... but remember if Beethoven's mother had made that choice some of the worlds finest music would never have been written.

Love ya anyway!


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12 May 2007, 8:37 pm

I am an aspie,my husband has aspie traits. We have had 4 kids, the oldest is dx as HFA/Aspergers,severe conduct disorder,depression,pdd-nos, the second is nt, the third has aspie traits, and the fourth is nt. We wouldn't have it any other way,we are actually a happy family! Very glad we had kids ,they are a handfull and we have our ups and downs,but well worth it. :P



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12 May 2007, 8:59 pm

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I am an aspie,my husband has aspie traits. We have had 4 kids, the oldest is dx as HFA/Aspergers,severe conduct disorder,depression,pdd-nos, the second is nt, the third has aspie traits, and the fourth is nt. We wouldn't have it any other way,we are actually a happy family! Very glad we had kids ,they are a handfull and we have our ups and downs,but well worth it. :P


Thank you, andie, to me you and your family validate what I've said, a family is what you make of it. All children are marvelous gifts and it is up to their parents to do the best they can for each one. To worry too much about "what might happen" is wasteful of time and energy. As I have said I wouldn't change the family I have.

If you would be interested I invite you to tell us your story on C"Can I call you Dad?" Z's story. Also,not to be amiss welcome to Wrong Planet, It is a great place. Look forward to hearing from you.


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14 May 2007, 3:15 pm

Thanks for the reply and kind words Corsarzs.I'll check this out soon."Can I call you Dad?" Z's story.



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14 May 2007, 8:45 pm

I hope that, if my child did turn out like me, he or she wouldn't get a teacher who destroyed everything good about them. I want a child of mine to be so much more than I ever was. I know that sounds neurotic. I better stick to having cats.



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17 May 2007, 1:23 pm

Parents are made, not born.

Speaking as a parent with 1 NT, 1 ASPY, each child is different in different ways, and as a parent we deal with issues differently.

As the parent moulds the children, the children mould the parents. It's a two way street, and you stick with the things that work, and change the things that don't work.

You tend to get better at it over time.

Life is a crap shoot, and children are one of the things that make life worth living.

I am fortunate to have a loving wife and family,
and I thank God every day.



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17 May 2007, 1:46 pm

EvilTeach wrote:

Life is a crap shoot, and children are one of the things that make life worth living.


I think if I had kids, I would say the same thing.
Good reason not to get a diagnosis - what chances would I have of adopting then?


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17 May 2007, 2:44 pm

Have your own, adopt.... it make no difference.

You will learn to be a parent, not the worse one, not the best one.

If you turn your aspy powers toward it, you will be successful.