My 5 yr old is driving me nuts!
In giving it more thought, I mischaracterized my son. He's not explosive, at least in the traditional definition. When he is defiant in the way that I described, it's more like he's disregulated. He even looks a litte loopy, sometimes laughing hysterically when I give him my serious face. Typically, he would be able to read that expression and correct his behavior. But when he's in his zone, it causes the inappropriate laughter response, more screaming, or verbal insistence on getting his way that can persist for hours after the disagreement.
I don't believe he behavior is attention seeking, but I'd be okay if it was. I'm not of the camp of ignore the child. I will do it and have done it,but not when I think there's a crisis. Instead, I only ignore my children when I believe that they're fully in control of their faculties and are just being annoying (Chicken nuggets!!!ma, mommy, mommymommymommymommy, mama, maaaaaaa!! !). Then I just wait until they rephrase or adjust their approach to respond (Mommy, can I have some nuggets please?). But, this feels different. And given the fact that he does it more when he's tired or overstimulated, disregulation seems like the right answer.
That being said, he's too old for naps. And I try to watch for the signs, but am still a bit helpless as to what to do when I see them. He's headstrong and independent (taught himself how to dress himself - didn't want help. He was later than NT kids, but he did it all by himself and insisted upon it!! He's working on learning how to tie his shoes now and woe unto you if you try to show him without him expressly asking for intervention). So, it's difficult to intervene in advance and get him to do something calming. He wants to do what he wants to do when he wants to do it.
I could also use some help with what to do when he gets into his "one more time" mania. I could walk away. I don't like that technique (feels passive aggressive and that's counter to my personality), but I have tried it. He acts emotionally devastated. Mass destruction followed by hysterical crying. It breaks my heart. And I never want him to think that his mom's love is conditional, like he only gets it if he's behaving in a way that I approve of. I want him to fee secure, loved, and safe. But also know that he has limits and a responsibility to give back to his family and not just expect them to give to him. That means respecting boundaries. Heavy stuff, I know.
I love the idea of social stories. He's a thoughtful kid and he remembers everything. I don't know if he'll have enough self-control to implement the lesson, but he'll definitely be able to refer back to it and understand the concepts.
Any other thoughts on this? Especially on what to do when I see signs, or how to handle it when he's loopy?
Thanks again to everyone!
Sorry for the derail above.
If you want more information on social stories, here's a link: http://carolgraysocialstories.com/socia ... hat-is-it/
Well wishes for you and your son. I know this can be frustrating. I'm regularly amazed by the endurance of parents everywhere.
[Totally different topic, but they say that when you rear children, it triggers certain neurochemicals that increase your patience and tolerance for boredom. Hence, none of us were murdered by our parents when we went through stuff like this. Isn't biology cool?]
Thanks so much somanyspoons! I'll check out the link. And the patience thing is crazy! It's like a magical switch flips because I used to be the most impatient person ever.
Krelliott4 - it sounds like you're upset. I hope that you reconsider. But no, you don't know how a person with autism feels. I don't either and no one can who isn't on the spectrum. But I don't believe your first few sentences. You have something to contribute and maybe something to learn too. *Trigger alert* By the way, ABA gets a lot of crap here, but we did a modified version of it and it was helpful and fun for my boys. Everyone has their own opinions and triggers and ideas. Sift through them, try to critically evaluate them, then take what makes sense for you and your family. That's the best advice that I can give. Good luck and hope to see you around here!
In giving it more thought, I mischaracterized my son. He's not explosive, at least in the traditional definition. When he is defiant in the way that I described, it's more like he's disregulated. He even looks a litte loopy, sometimes laughing hysterically when I give him my serious face. Typically, he would be able to read that expression and correct his behavior. But when he's in his zone, it causes the inappropriate laughter response, more screaming, or verbal insistence on getting his way that can persist for hours after the disagreement.
I did not suggest the book because I thought your son is explosive. I hope I did not offend you. I suggested it because it talks about strategies for kids who do not respond to traditional discipline techniques. Some kids overreact or don't react at all to an authoritarian model or to rewards and punishments. Some of it might be because of rigidity and they feel anxiety with so little control over their lives in ways more typical children don't. Sometimes it is just because rewards and punishments are not relevant to what they are having issues with like sensory problems and the like.
Ok, to clarify for anyone confused, some of this is an extension of this thread: viewtopic.php?t=331437 and that is the reason for the conflict here, apparently.
Krelliott4, it is not that your thoughts are unwelcome it is that you have not observed enough before posting (especially on the main side of the board) It would be like going to another country without knowing the customs and accidentally offending because you don't know what is considered offensive.
ABA is a very touchy subject here, because many of the adult/older teen diagnosed autistics here have been treated with forms of it, that were harmful to them. So introducing yourself on the general board as an ABA graduate student is going to trigger some people and lead to assumptions being made. It is an autistic board and they view it as their home, and what is meant by you as helpful, is to them a violation of their space.
On the parent board it is a little different because some of the parents have found parts or all of (modern) ABA to be useful. Some use a comprehensive version, but more modern than what the adults are familiar with, which do not include the techniques of the past. So ABA is not necessarily a dirty word (or acronym) here, but the enthusiasm of a grad student, is likely to stand out.
In general the emphasis here, is on figuring out what works for each individual child. For some, that may be the kinder, gentler form of ABA (or parts of it used cafeteria-style) or something entirely different.
Thanks for the backstory, ASDMommy. It's super hard when baggage from other threads gets dragged over.
And no, you didn't offend at all! That book has been mentioned multiple times here and I have several friends who've used it successfully with their children, ASD or not. They swear by it. I didn't fully explain that my child's behaviors are worse when he's tired, etc, and I didn't mention disregulation at all. So, it was my failure to accurately explain what was happening. My boys also have receptive language delays, so some of the reasoning tactics that a parent would typically try are out of the window. They're 5 (poor reasoning in general at this age) and receptive delayed (don't know if this is just a delay or an auditory processing issue at this point). So, I get concerned that the book is premature over here. I don't know, though. What do you think?
Oh I havent left and don't plan on it. I am reading replies. I guess I just don't understand who is allowed to comment and such on a post that seems like asking for advice? So if only those who are the spectrum or understand those on the spectrum are the only ones to comment, how is that even fair?
I read the post and did not read the replies but want to make a suggestion....a suggestion that I would try in hopes that it could help this parent out NOT to get the feedback it did.
He has to do everything "one more time". If I tell him 1 more minute, he wants two. If I say don't scream again, he'll look me right in the face and give another ear-piercing scream. If I say don't hit your brother again, he'll look me in the eye and reach over and whack him. It's like we're in a power struggle and he's daring me to call him on his bluff.
I'm an alpha kind of person, so this doesn't hurt my feelings. If he wants to play power games, I of course have more tricks up my sleeve than he does at 5. But, I hate that I'm thinking this way about my pre-school kid. What do you think could be going on here? Again, he really is a nice, fun child. Until he doesn't get his way. Is this normal and I should be fine with using normal power tactics like time-outs, etc? Or could this be related to his ASD? It feels like a big "eff you, you can't make me do it" to me, and that is making me angry rather than sympathetic. I'm looking for another way to view this.
Other notes: we hug and cuddle a lot in our house. Use a lot of positive affirmation and rewards. I also try to reason with him, to which he most often responds with a full-throated scream in my face, complete with bulging neck veins.
He sounds horrible to me. If he starts torturing and killing animals then you've got a young psychopath on your hands. Nothing to do with the autism spectrum.
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Unicorns - you're on the parenting side of the forum, and that's my child that you're talking about. He's wonderful and I love him very much. Please do not insult him again. I'm going to assume that you don't know how pissed off a mother can get, so I'll stop here. On the other hand, if you're trolling, please move on.
Krelliott4, thanks for the advice. You've gotten some good advice and positive feedback in return as well. You should probably actually think about it instead of sulking. You can't help anyone or hear anything if you're stuck feeling sorry for yourself. I'm in mom mode, so apologies for speaking so plainly.
Krelliott4, thanks for the advice. You've gotten some good advice and positive feedback in return as well. You should probably actually think about it instead of sulking. You can't help anyone or hear anything if you're stuck feeling sorry for yourself. I'm in mom mode, so apologies for speaking so plainly.
I don't know if this is any comfort, but "unicorns" here has all the hallmarks of someone who got kicked off under another user name, and started this account to start fresh. That was actually his "first" post!
Totally inappropriate to call anyone horrible and a potential sociopath, and certainly not a kid. But then, I think he knows that. We can report it if he comes back for more, but right now, he's only posting under the pop culture section.
Of course it is! I don't know any parent who doesn't occasionally get flustered by the task of raising kids. Personally, I suspect he and I would get along just fine. My 4 year old nephew is also a very emotive, sensitive kid. I have a great time rial-ling him up before handing him back to his parents. A little karma rebound from all the torture when his father and I were kids together. (Just kidding... Mostly.)