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01 Jan 2008, 2:03 pm

My son did stuff like that. Except for things going into the toilet. He didn't have access to the toilet as a toddler because we kept out-of-reach locks on all the doors. Locking him out of certain rooms and locking him into the house as a whole. We had to remove a bathroom door and anything in that room to prevent him from locking himself in.
I would certainly not allow any access to anything that could be ingested and hurt him.

I agree fully with everything that Juliette says. We don't give drugs but introducing structure changed our son entirely.



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01 Jan 2008, 4:06 pm

Thanks everyone.

I really appreciate your answers.

It's another day over here and thankfully I'm back at work. That might not be a great thing because it means tat my poor wife will need to cope without me and she's much more likely to smack and shout than me.

I truly regret the taping thing - I didn't know what else to do.

Of course, today with a clearer head I can see what I should have done - why I can't think in the heat of the moment is beyond me.

Looking at it all now, I can see the problems more clearly. We're starting a knockdown and rebuild project and are packing to move. That, together with the holiday (change of routine) are probably upsetting both boys.

It's awful when you can't see things from their perspective.

so thanks again. everyone.



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01 Jan 2008, 4:39 pm

Although I don't have as good advice as the others here, I just wanted to say that I have a lot of respect for you Gavin.

You seem willing to seek help, willing to learn, and willing to admit your mistakes.
It takes a really good person to do all that... I think so anyway.

Most of the advice I see here sounds really good, even though I am not in a position of relating to these issues myself.
I still feel like many of the things said here could be applied by NT's to their NT children as well...
it all just sounds like good parenting to me.

I applaud all of you who struggle through these issues and have the strength to step back, watch, and learn about your children.

Kudos to you all! :hail: :wink:


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01 Jan 2008, 7:15 pm

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why I can't think in the heat of the moment is beyond me

That's why it's called "in the heat of the moment".
The trick is to plan ahead before all that happens. And remember that hitting and yelling doesn't teach anything, so don't expect it to. If you feel yourself escalating, find a way to control yourself. There are ways to diffuse a situation that doesn't really have anything to do with "teaching" or "disciplining". I'd take photos of my son in the middle of a tantrum. The flash acted as a switch and redirected him. As he got older I'd order him to do jumping jacks (doing them with him).

Mimicking really obnoxious behavior also throws them for a loop. Anything to interrupt the moment and stop the snowballing of violence and chaos.



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01 Jan 2008, 7:40 pm

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There are ways to diffuse a situation that doesn't really have anything to do with "teaching" or "disciplining". I'd take photos of my son in the middle of a tantrum. The flash acted as a switch and redirected him. As he got older I'd order him to do jumping jacks (doing them with him).


Wow, some seriously radical ideas there - thanks.



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02 Jan 2008, 5:02 am

gbollard wrote:
Thanks everyone.

I really appreciate your answers.

It's another day over here and thankfully I'm back at work. That might not be a great thing because it means tat my poor wife will need to cope without me and she's much more likely to smack and shout than me.

I truly regret the taping thing - I didn't know what else to do.

Of course, today with a clearer head I can see what I should have done - why I can't think in the heat of the moment is beyond me.

Looking at it all now, I can see the problems more clearly. We're starting a knockdown and rebuild project and are packing to move. That, together with the holiday (change of routine) are probably upsetting both boys.

It's awful when you can't see things from their perspective.

so thanks again. everyone.
But don't be too hard on yourself - it's hard enough being an NT parent of NT kids but if you have AS as well and AS kid/s, it becomes overwhelming. If your son gets out of control, you could try sticking him under the cold shower to cool down. He'll probably settle once all the upheavals are over.

I'm not advising the next thing too seriously, but there is a reason that straitjackets are used in hospitals for agitated patients - it's so they won't hurt themselves or others or destroy everything in sight.

Shutting a kid in their room these days isn't much of a punishment - even though I don't have a lot of time for Dr Phil's advice, I think he is spot on when he says that sending them to their room is a reward because they have so many toys there.


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02 Jan 2008, 5:14 am

Hello Gavin,

I feel your frustration - I have days like that.

On those days when my husband gets home from work and asks me 'How was your day', I just tell him, 'You have 3 sons who are still alive which is a miracle. That's all you need to know'. :lol:

I don't have any advice to add to what others have said. It sounds as if you have worked out what was stressing your son.

Helen

P.S. My 4 year old son managed to put another 2 toilet rolls in the toilet yesterday and today (to add to the 3 he put down the toilet last week). Grrrrrrrrr!



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02 Jan 2008, 6:55 am

We moved accross the country...twice...after E was born. What worked best for escalating behavior was to create a daily routine that included a lot of exercise, and to create a safe, non-punishment spot. When we see an outbreak coming: increased tension, little disobediences, etc., we put E in his safe spot. He can have toys and whatnot, but he can't come out until he has "gotten it together" which means both he and the parent on duty agree that he is able to follow directions and avoid destruction.

The more often we've caught the behavior before it starts, the less often he's escalated to the point that the safe spot was needed.

At times when he's already in mid-meltdown, we wrap him in a blanket or our arms and carry him to the safe spot. He can "escape" easily, but we just pick him up and carry him back until he calms down enough to stay there.

I feel your pain!



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02 Jan 2008, 3:44 pm

Woke up this morning and was getting ready for work.

I noticed that during the night, our son had gotten up, pulled the drain plug out of the bathroom sink, used pencils to draw all over the sink, then thrown all the pencils down the drain. I'm partially deaf so I have an excuse not to hear him. Funny that my wife missed him though - probably exhaustion.

I fished out the pencils but it's gonna take some cleaning. It made me doubly glad to be going to work - and leaving before he makes an appearance.

My parents are going to take him for a few days, so hopefully they'll be able to exert a bit more positive influence.


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Shutting a kid in their room these days isn't much of a punishment - even though I don't have a lot of time for Dr Phil's advice, I think he is spot on when he says that sending them to their room is a reward because they have so many toys there.


That's particularly true of AS kids. I loved being sent to my room because that was where everything relating to my special interest was.

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On those days when my husband gets home from work and asks me 'How was your day', I just tell him, 'You have 3 sons who are still alive which is a miracle. That's all you need to know'. Laughing


boy, can I can identify with that... funny thing is, I'm the one who is at work - so how much harder must it be on my poor wife. She's obviously being undervalued and under appreciated. I'll have to go out and get some flowers I think. :)



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02 Jan 2008, 3:54 pm

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My parents are going to take him for a few days, so hopefully they'll be able to exert a bit more positive influence.


We send the boys (1 at a time) to my parent's for a holiday when they are getting out of control. They get out of control when school has exhausted them. They have a fantastic time at my parents. Dad takes them to the bakery for a special breakfast. Mum lets them play hours of computer + takes them to the toy shop for a present. Also Mum takes them for a walk on the beach everyday with her 3 dogs.

This holiday plan has been 100% endorsed by the boys' psychologist. There's no point at them being at school when they're exhausted and in multiple meltdown mode. They're not going to learn anything.

Thanks Mum and Dad!! Mum posts here as NannaRob, mostly hangs out in the DinoCafe.

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boy, can I can identify with that... funny thing is, I'm the one who is at work - so how much harder must it be on my poor wife. She's obviously being undervalued and under appreciated. I'll have to go out and get some flowers I think. :)


I dream of the day my husband says this to me!! ! Definantly get the wife some flowers!! Send her an e-mail or write her a note stating the above. It will help her enormously.

From an NT wife married to an Aspie husband.
Helen



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02 Jan 2008, 4:00 pm

Actually I shouldn't grumble about my husband. He is giving me the ultimate gift: a 3 week holiday all by myself!!

He has taken holiday leave to look after our 3 sons during their school holiday!

On Monday 7th January I am off to Europe (Portugal, Spain, France and United Kingdom) while he stays at home.

Gavin, maybe you should let your wife have a holiday by herself as a gift!

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02 Jan 2008, 7:41 pm

hello i totally agree with what Smelena said about taking them out of school. usually when they have meltdowns it's cause of being overloaded. (like at school or work, it's usually cause of overworking, anxiety, bored. or pissed about being bullied, etc ) i'm an adult with aspergers,anxiety,adhd,add traits. I guess it's different when your child, for me here was an example of my melt downs.

as an adult. as of now bright lights are painful, and usually at night well i'm overloaded (i end up having some kind of light synthesis effect) i sleep 12+ hours a day, with constant panic attacks and i have major anxiety attacks around strangers.

as a child, for me meltdowns would come, when someone ends up bullying me, or i get a bad grade on a test, or just dont give a s**t (bored about the school work) i wouldnt go as far as your child, but i would start crying for no reason, or banging on the tables, or laughing at someone who jammed there finger in the car door.

for me as an adult, being by myself, or playing computer games, watching tv is the best way to calm down. but as a child i would have to say when he starts acting up take him out of school for a day and take him to the beach if you can, or get him a video game system, and let him play games. usually a melt down usually happens when your child is upset about something... such as being in a room with thousands of people in a concert, or the phone ringing constantly, or tv is turned on, while i'm trying to do something else, really annoys me.



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03 Jan 2008, 2:24 am

gbollard wrote:
Woke up this morning and was getting ready for work.

I noticed that during the night, our son had gotten up, pulled the drain plug out of the bathroom sink, used pencils to draw all over the sink, then thrown all the pencils down the drain. I'm partially deaf so I have an excuse not to hear him. Funny that my wife missed him though - probably exhaustion.

I fished out the pencils but it's gonna take some cleaning. It made me doubly glad to be going to work - and leaving before he makes an appearance.

My parents are going to take him for a few days, so hopefully they'll be able to exert a bit more positive influence.


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Shutting a kid in their room these days isn't much of a punishment - even though I don't have a lot of time for Dr Phil's advice, I think he is spot on when he says that sending them to their room is a reward because they have so many toys there.


That's particularly true of AS kids. I loved being sent to my room because that was where everything relating to my special interest was.

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On those days when my husband gets home from work and asks me 'How was your day', I just tell him, 'You have 3 sons who are still alive which is a miracle. That's all you need to know'. Laughing


boy, can I can identify with that... funny thing is, I'm the one who is at work - so how much harder must it be on my poor wife. She's obviously being undervalued and under appreciated. I'll have to go out and get some flowers I think. :)
That would be a kind idea and I'm sure she would like it. In fact, if she is a keen gardener, she might even like a pretty plant.

Another possible idea for the long term is for her to get work outside the home too (but then I don't know how many after school programmes would have anyone trained in looking after a child with AS)


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Another possible idea for the long term is for her to get work outside the home too (but then I don't know how many after school programmes would have anyone trained in looking after a child with AS)


I returned to work 18 months ago. I work 2 days/week.

Work has been a lifesaver for me. It's great to have something else to think about other than 'possessed' chidren.

Our sons' after school care has been great catering for the boys. They pinned sheets around a couple of tables so the boys can go and hide anytime they want. They take games under the table and play.

Helen



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03 Jan 2008, 3:43 am

Yes, I wouldn't have been able to cope alone at home with a child who showed really challenging behaviours. Much as it would have made me feel guilty later on, I probably would have got to the stage of smacking them hard. I would have got into major panic attacks because of not being able to stop the kid from wrecking things and yelling.

Coping with work would be easier in comparison (providing it was not a really unsuitable job or with people who were hard to get along with).


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03 Jan 2008, 6:53 am

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That would be a kind idea and I'm sure she would like it. In fact, if she is a keen gardener, she might even like a pretty plant.


Well she liked the flowers but we've long since lost all our plants to the devil.

I'm surprised that we still have two giant terracotta pots still alive (from our original 8) but I don't think they've got more than a couple of months to live.