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28 Feb 2008, 11:43 pm

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I haven't been called a refrigerator; it's obvious I'm not that way, I think; but as KimJ said, I have been accused of overly permissive parenting.

When my son was in preschool he had many difficulties with behavior, and the preschool director never came out and said it was my fault, but pretty much everything she said and suggested made me realize that she certainly considered it to be my fault. We had no idea my son was Aspie. To humor the preschool director, we entered into family counseling. Well, they didn't pick up on the Asperger's either, but after a year of weekly counseling, and several expert observations, the counselor delivered her findings: there was nothing wrong with my son, and nothing wrong with us as parents. My son's behavior problems were the natural extension of things that had occured to him at the preschool (HAH!), and other normal disruptions like losing a grandfather, and having a sibling born. She, in fact, congratulated us on being so sensitive and responsive to his needs, and described our son as a "magic child" (which is supposed to be a positive thing, for a creative and inventive child; but I've never been able to find more on the internet).

Not that this report was ever delivered to that preschool director. Despite many efforts by the counselor to get in touch with her, she never returned any calls.

I guess it is easier for people to assume blame must lie in some way with the parents, than it is to figure out a child that doesn't meet a preconceived pattern.


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I do want to add that it has been cool to see how awareness is growing. About a year ago my son had a meltdown at the acquarium, and one older woman stopped by and kindly asked if there was anything she could do to help. I said no, then she thought for a moment, and asked if he was autistic. I said yes, he was on the spectrum. She nodded and said I think you are handling him well.


I have to admit I thought the bit about the preschool director made me want to laugh. Both the professional and the teacher got it a little off, but the teacher was the one that came off like they didn't want to learn hahahaha.

I'm glad, though, that the professional recognized your efforts and what you're doing.

I think my school had similar issues with my parents and my counselor. They wanted to blame the way I was on not having a loving and supportive home.

I am glad, too, that awareness is growing. I also have to say thank you to people like Heather Kusinich? because on at least one occasion thinking that I am somehow like her has helped people to understand me.



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28 Feb 2008, 11:46 pm

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My mom has been accused. Nobody knew I was autistic. I know not whether someone dared to say it in her in her face, but when I was in kindergarten, people usually said it in front of me, not thinking I would realise it and hear them speaking.
Later on, in secondary schools, teachers accused my parents of bad parenting very often. Makes me wonder how rude and insulting teachers are allowed to be. I never breathed a word of it to my mother.

My father accused my mother of 'having messed up raising me' and that he'd want to beat her silly for it. Oh well, that's just him, glad I didn't grew up with him.

Reality was different. My mother cared a lot about me and took care of me and my autistic behaviour too, helping me a lot in these matters without being aware of it.


Well, it sounds like you had a very loving and supportive mother.

I bet the teachers weren't trying to be rude, but were acting out of complete ignorance.



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28 Feb 2008, 11:49 pm

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Wouldn't it be great to see Steven Segal or Chuck Norris in a movie as an autistic guy who tells some smartass, "Okay, beat my autism out of me"?

I'd pay full price at the theater to see that one. :twisted:


hahahaha and so would I.

Or, better yet, Arnold Swarzzeneger

"I'm going to beat you until you quite being autistic!! !

Hasta la vista, baby."

Another good one would be the guy from the last James Bond movie (Casino Royale)



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29 Feb 2008, 6:29 am

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Well, it sounds like you had a very loving and supportive mother.

I bet the teachers weren't trying to be rude, but were acting out of complete ignorance.


I'm pretty sure they were, because people actually said in my face that I should be restraint and burned on a stake. When I 10, the people of secondary school even dragged me by my arm and even later I was locked up in a room after a crying-meltdown and they wouldn't leave me out until I completed a report about my 'horrible behaviour' that they could use to make accusations.

No doubt, all other schools I went to where amazing compared to that. Not to say there aren't great schools! I just got to see the very bad and very great.



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29 Feb 2008, 8:41 am

I think the refrigerator mother referres to a mother with Narcissistic Personality Disorder

- extremely manipulative and controlling
- can't function without drama, being the centre of attention, opinionated
- treats the child only as an extention of herself, you can never leave her to become your own person
- hyper critical, nothing is ever good enough
- keeps you dependent on her by spoiling you at a young age
- if the child is difficult she uses it to gain sympathy for herself, plays the martyr (you are always hurting her)
- loved the fact that I got better marks than my peers, so she can feel superior over her own siblings
- treats you like a wimp because you can't stand up to her, she knows she is the primary care giver
- invasive, threatening when no-one else is around
- illogical stubborness
- grandiose delusions about herself
- only shows a false self to others

My mother's mental illness contributed a great deal to my own difficulties dealing with AS. She has used the situation to benefit her in every way.

I am not saying all mothers are like that, but was certainly in my case.

Ironically, refrigerator mothers are probably on the spectrum as well - from there the genetic link.



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29 Feb 2008, 7:13 pm

Sora wrote:
morning_after wrote:
Well, it sounds like you had a very loving and supportive mother.

I bet the teachers weren't trying to be rude, but were acting out of complete ignorance.


I'm pretty sure they were, because people actually said in my face that I should be restraint and burned on a stake. When I 10, the people of secondary school even dragged me by my arm and even later I was locked up in a room after a crying-meltdown and they wouldn't leave me out until I completed a report about my 'horrible behaviour' that they could use to make accusations.

No doubt, all other schools I went to where amazing compared to that. Not to say there aren't great schools! I just got to see the very bad and very great.


I think a lot of us have.

My school system was in a state that wasn't willing to pay for school. At least the secondary school system ranks yearly at either 49 or 50, depending on how well New Mexico does.



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29 Feb 2008, 7:17 pm

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I think the refrigerator mother referres to a mother with Narcissistic Personality Disorder

- extremely manipulative and controlling
- can't function without drama, being the centre of attention, opinionated
- treats the child only as an extention of herself, you can never leave her to become your own person
- hyper critical, nothing is ever good enough
- keeps you dependent on her by spoiling you at a young age
- if the child is difficult she uses it to gain sympathy for herself, plays the martyr (you are always hurting her)
- loved the fact that I got better marks than my peers, so she can feel superior over her own siblings
- treats you like a wimp because you can't stand up to her, she knows she is the primary care giver
- invasive, threatening when no-one else is around
- illogical stubborness
- grandiose delusions about herself
- only shows a false self to others

My mother's mental illness contributed a great deal to my own difficulties dealing with AS. She has used the situation to benefit her in every way.

I am not saying all mothers are like that, but was certainly in my case.

Ironically, refrigerator mothers are probably on the spectrum as well - from there the genetic link.


Well, I'm pretty sure AS people like us clash with Manchausen's people. For those of you that don't know, Manchausen's is a narcissistic personality disorder where the person who has it has to have all attention drawn on them all the time (sometimes even being willing to commit murder to do it).



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29 Feb 2008, 8:51 pm

When I was a teenager I read about this as an example as a defunct theory. I used to have fun telling my mom that "I am like this because you are a bad mother". It was one of her books I read about it in and she was an early childhood development specialist, so I knew she knew it was bunk, but it annoyed her just to hear me say it which was fun.

And yes I was little brat at times, we have to have fun in our own special ways sometimes... :twisted:



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01 Mar 2008, 1:01 am

Well, I think if I had said the same thing, my parents would have taken it literally.

But thank you.



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01 Mar 2008, 2:37 am

I had a refridgerator mother.

Try getting someone to believe that when you're a child though. They'd rather laugh at you for claiming your mom hits you if you try to hug hert, yells at you every time you open your mouth, complains about you every single time you enter her vision etc than doing anything that would keep you safe.

The real sad par tis I know that hasn't changed, because I see online posts by people all the time who knowabuse is going on but won't report it because "they don't want to get involved." No doubt those are the same people that go around complaining about all the criminals in their area.

I suppose my father would also be considered a refridgerator parent. I don't recall him ever hugging me, but in that case he was usually filthy so I didn't want him hugging me. At best, he'd buy me one pizza every 6 weeks or so. At worst, I'd go a few months without him providing any food. But at least he was almost and thats why i choose to live with him rather than my mom. astill i learned pretty quickly to keep him far away from my friends if i wanted those people to stay my friends



ETA: Manchausen syndrome sounds like just about every person on my mom's side of the family. Try being at a family gathering where 5 people want to be the constant center of attention. it isnt fun.



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01 Mar 2008, 2:41 am

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Mum2ASDboy wrote:
I got told by my ex that it is my fault Damo is the way he is. What a load of *****. him and my sister are the only ones that have told me I'm not doing the right thing among other negatives. Glad he is gone and I haven't spoken to my sister in over a year. Damo's pysch said "I am a credit to Damo and doing a great job"
His Paedriatician said I am doing everything I can for him and very considerate, he just needs time and help.

No 'professional' has called me a refrigerator mother tho.
I too agree that term is way outdated.


It sounds like you were in a very abusive relationship. :x


Well no I wasn't actually, he only told me that the night he dumped me :x



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01 Mar 2008, 6:11 am

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I had a refridgerator mother.

Try getting someone to believe that when you're a child though. They'd rather laugh at you for claiming your mom hits you if you try to hug hert, yells at you every time you open your mouth, complains about you every single time you enter her vision etc than doing anything that would keep you safe.

The real sad par tis I know that hasn't changed, because I see online posts by people all the time who knowabuse is going on but won't report it because "they don't want to get involved." No doubt those are the same people that go around complaining about all the criminals in their area.

I suppose my father would also be considered a refridgerator parent. I don't recall him ever hugging me, but in that case he was usually filthy so I didn't want him hugging me. At best, he'd buy me one pizza every 6 weeks or so. At worst, I'd go a few months without him providing any food. But at least he was almost and thats why i choose to live with him rather than my mom. astill i learned pretty quickly to keep him far away from my friends if i wanted those people to stay my friends



ETA: Manchausen syndrome sounds like just about every person on my mom's side of the family. Try being at a family gathering where 5 people want to be the constant center of attention. it isnt fun.


wow, that doesn't sound healthy at all.

I'm sorry.



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01 Mar 2008, 6:12 am

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morning_after wrote:
Mum2ASDboy wrote:
I got told by my ex that it is my fault Damo is the way he is. What a load of *****. him and my sister are the only ones that have told me I'm not doing the right thing among other negatives. Glad he is gone and I haven't spoken to my sister in over a year. Damo's pysch said "I am a credit to Damo and doing a great job"
His Paedriatician said I am doing everything I can for him and very considerate, he just needs time and help.

No 'professional' has called me a refrigerator mother tho.
I too agree that term is way outdated.


It sounds like you were in a very abusive relationship. :x


Well no I wasn't actually, he only told me that the night he dumped me :x


Well, I'm still sorry to hear about it. I'm always here if you need a hug or a prayer.



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01 Mar 2008, 11:46 am

Refrigerator Mother, my arse. My mum was very caring and she gave me lots of love and attention. I was also very affectionate, as well. We gave each other hugs and sang children's songs, together. She was alway playing with my little sister and I.


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Refrigerator Mother, my arse. My mum was very caring and she gave me lots of love and attention. I was also very affectionate, as well. We gave each other hugs and sang children's songs, together. She was alway playing with my little sister and I.


Awww, that sounds so cute.



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Refrigerator Mother, my arse. My mum was very caring and she gave me lots of love and attention. I was also very affectionate, as well. We gave each other hugs and sang children's songs, together. She was alway playing with my little sister and I.


Awww, that sounds so cute.


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