Is this spoilt of aspergers im at a loss

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You're not being harsh, I think you're being too reasonable if anything.

Frankly, from hearing this I'd be willing to say that it's not at all amusing their son is showing such signs of sadism towards another living being. Being Autistic or having Asperger's Syndrome, shouldn't be seen as an excuse when it comes to a child abusing animals.

This is animal abuse. If I could I'd report this son and their family to the ASPCA for such cruelty. I don't want to be seen as a heartless person when it comes to other people's kids, but this is beyond me. This is like the sick stuff I hear about people doing in horror films, or young serial killers doing before they grew up and graduated to human beings.

The dog is terrified, I see. Yet you don't see fit to take it to a home where it won't be abused. I don't care what label Tristan have, he is being a monster to that poor creature. Nothing, and I mean nothing excuses his sick behavior. Your son needs help, or you need to see he never comes within any contact with animals again. God forbid he should end up torturing human beings later in life, because you wanted to see his sadistic behavior as a part of Autism, rather then that of the mind of someone who will grow up to kill.

Maybe another thread should be started about animals and kids........., Im grateful for the helpful replies and I dont think these remarks are really achieving anything, if people want to start another thread about their thoughts on animals that might be a good idea.

Ok, so if people don't mention their dog it wont be commented on. I have nothing else to say about it, but if people want to add what their child did to the dog then I can comment, yes? Why take offence - if you only want good comments then maybe say so in the title. I wasn't even being mean - just concerned about the dogs when people think that what happens to them isn't such a big deal. There will be loads of people to offer sympathy over the rest of your situation. I just chose to mention the dog. Then someone else added about their dog! So if people don't want to have a comment on their dog then don't mention it!

I have not taken offence as you are entitled to your opinion. I think the dog thing is getting taken a bit far now though. I come on here for support from other parents etc so I wouldnt think its the place to get narky with people. I really appreciate any support if Im feeling particularly crappy, I didnt ask for opinions about my dog at all so all Im saying is if you are really that concernd why not start a new thread regarding kids and pets.l

Read the book 1-2-3 Magic, it totally changed the way we deal with our son. He is so much better to be around now.

But it was YOUR kid's behaviour towards an animal, that started the whole debate in the first place, you can't send them off to another thread, just because you don't like what they say...

Thanks Mage, Ive ordered the book

Ok, lets put the past behind us and start a fresh. My communication is a bit crap [even though I do restrain from saying things even more blunt] and dogs are one of the only things I am passionate about! I was concerned about the two dogs mentioned on this thread so it was pointless to start a thread about dogs in general. I ended up seeing the picture of the other guys dogs injury...



It says that picture was taken after "Her injuries have improved significantly". In my opinion what happened to that dog was cruel and neglectful and it irritated me.

So yeah I went off on a tangent about the dogs. I realise the dog which I mostly commented on was the other guys not yours and this is your thread, so if the dogs arn't mentioned again I'll leave the thread alone so you can hear the things you need to hear.

I wish you all the best and hope you feel much better about things soon.

The link to the picture gets broken when it's posted, but it is here:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Qb-X-glOJAE/S ... juries.jpg [copy and paste]

Thanks

Stray Ana, do you have an as kid? im just curious thats all, thanks.

No offense, but I agree with Ana. I have AS, my youngest has AS and my oldest has Autism. This is cruelty to animals. I gaped when I read that your son punches your dog. That kind of behavior should not be tolerated of anyone. Read Of Mice and Men? Same concept.

I chose not to have animals as I'm afraid of my children yanking on their tails, cat or dog. It's not fair to the animal. There are even laws against this sort of behavior to pets. It may not be malicious, but it's no less abuse because of that fact.

oh for lords sake he doesnt do it all the time, I give up, are you people so bored you just want to pick holes in peoples threads, you may have as but it does not give you the right to have a massive chip on your shoulder like the world owes you. My dog is on the sofa snoring blissfuly, I love it and would not tolerate it being abused on a daily basis, this was once, it was a s**t day and I posted about it. I wont bother anymore, not here - hardly a place for support. Now go and find another person to pick holes in, I feel sorry for you that you have nothing more fulfilling to do.

Excuse me if I misread what you stated. In the first paragraph of the thread you said he has been getting better on the meds. To me this read as he used to be worse and that this sort of attack was normal. I'm not picking at anything. Actually, of note, this is the first time I've commented. I do not feel the world owes me anything, but the way I read it was that this was excusable because it doesn't happen often any more. If it was one occurrence that never happened before, then yes, he was just frustrated, but that is not how I read it, and most likely is not how others read it either. Then again, the grammar in the first post was rather difficult to ascertain exactly what the point was.

Also remember, this forum is not just for parents with Autistic children. It's not just for your support, but for everyone's support. This was upsetting to others and they wanted to make a point to say it. You happened to upset me by stating that if someone doesn't have a child with AS they can't possibly relate. I happen to have children with AS and I can relate and still say the instance was abuse, and if it continues it's still abuse. But I also happen to have AS myself so feel it important to stand up with those who may not be parents but still feel extremely deeply about animal cruelty. If that's picking apart, well, then I guess I'm picking apart despite the fact that today is the first day I read and responded to your thread.

OK, the tangent ...

The problem, as I see it, is that pointing out the behavior may be animal abuse accomplishes nothing. Absolutely nothing. Which makes it a hold your tongue moment. I've read many posts from parents where I've noticed something that really worries me, but before I post to it, I give a LOT of thought to what my words may or may not accomplish. If expressing myself just antagonizes the poster, I won't have their ear, and I will accomplish zero. I don't always get it right, but it IS something I consider. More often than not, I skip over parts that leave me a little unsettled, if there are any. In this case, you aren't going to talk a family into giving up their pet, or even into acknowledging that was has happened crosses a line, but you may be able to get at the root of what has caused the inappropriate aggression to the pet. But when you hammer on the former you end up giving no help at all to the later, and haven't helped the family OR the animal.

Yes, we should ALL be free to voice our opinions, but there IS a time and a place, and voicing opinion for the sake of voicing it should be weighed against your own goals, and if voicing will help or hurt those goals.

In my personal opinion, a mom who has indicated that her family is under a lot of stress, and that SHE is under a lot of stress, is not an appropriate target for a rant on how the pet is treated. She needs LESS stress, not more. Deal with the stress first. Worry about the rest on another day. If you really worry about the pet in the home, the tactful suggestion would have been "with so much to worry about, perhaps having the pet stay with a friend or relative for a while would help." Which, it seems, was the solution the other poster in this thread with pet worries found on his own.

As much as pets deserve loving homes, people are not perfect, and the unanticipated happens in homes. We aren't perfect with our kids, and few are perfect with their pets. A parent who cares enough to ask questions and seek help isn't the one I worry about.

And, no, we don't have a pet at our house. I don't think I can handle the extra work and stress.

People. This thread was posted about Mum2 and her issues. I cited the dog example to show that she's not alone in her children's behaviour. We're dealing with it. We have dealt with it. Move on. Mum2 has obviously also dealt with her version of it. Please stop posting useless negatives and talk to mum2 about her original post.

If we all had time machines, maybe we could go back and fix it - but we can't - so please stop wasting everyone's time.

Mum2,

What medication is your son on and what sort of dosage... Sorry if it's been covered before, the thread got so off topic that I may have missed it. Have things settled in the last day or so?