Mum needs advice on Asperger & Angry Birds obsession

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whatamess
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30 Jul 2012, 9:55 pm

PS-my son who is still in speech therapy has been using his Angry Birds plush toys to make little skits...he records them and I post privately to youtube. You might get him into that if he has any issues with speech or social skills.



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31 Jul 2012, 11:36 am

momsparky wrote:
zette wrote:
Instead of sticker charts, you might try a "work before play" system like the one described in Parenting Children with ADHD: 10 Lessons That Medicine Cannot Teach by Vincent J. Monastra (I'm not suggesting he has ADHD, just that this book has a really good description of the system.)


I haven't read this book, but this sounds like the system we've come up with for my son: he has to "earn" video game time with whatever chores we assign; minute-for-minute with the caveat that if he is staring off into the distance we will reassign the chore not by time but by work completed. The trick with these kinds of systems is to be SURE you are offering achievable goals; DS will melt down and freak out if it's something he's struggling with and can't complete (even if we realize this and change the goal at the time.) Chores right now include self-care (room cleaning, laundry) and homework (math & handwriting practice, reading chapter books.) None of these chores are difficult for DS, but without motivation he will resist them.

We do have some behavioral things in there, but they are much more mild. Right now, we are working on respectful language. We make sure he understood exactly what language we were trying to replace or eliminate, gave him tools for replacing it or for alternate behaviors, and THEN we take 5 minutes off his game time (he gets either 1/2 hour on summer weekdays or 1 hour on weekends) If we found that he was unable to earn a reasonable amount of game time because the goal was too difficult (for instance, he lost 20 minutes of his half-hour) then we'd change the time to 1-minute increments. The goal is to pointedly illustrate the behavior so he recognizes it enough to change it, not to be punitive. We've learned (and we had the same problem with sticker charts) that we have to be very, very conservative with this type of arrangement.


The work before play system is much looser in the sense that you don't have to count or track anything, the way you are doing by measuring the chore minutes and the game time minutes. It's designed for people who don't do well with keeping track of the details of a token or points system. For instance, one time period might be after school until dinner. The "work" might be homework, tidy your room, and chores, and when those are complete, the kid can do whatever he wants (play outside, watch tv, video games, etc) until dinner is ready. Extra chores are added if "work" is not done in an earlier period. Misbehavior is handled by requiring apologies and a make-up task (restitution or an extra chore) before play can resume.

If you wanted to limit the video game time to say, 30 minutes, then I guess you could change the rules to say that the play options are playing outside and legos until 5:30, and then video games are allowed from 5:30-6:00 (if dinner were at 6 for example.)

I'm not quite sure how to adjust the system to work for a kid who has a meltdown when required to do a makeup, and also needs recovery time. I'm still thinking about how to adapt it for our family, and haven't fully tried it yet.



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02 Aug 2012, 9:35 pm

I don't know there was a book that describes what we already do.....we call it first this then that. First we work then we....whatever. We have not had any luck with points, systems anything that includes punishment. But it's effective when when we have to just wait until after x. We don't take anything away if you don't do what you're supposed to, just have to wait for that thing you want.



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02 Aug 2012, 10:20 pm

sidney wrote:
Hello,

I have a five-year old son who probably has (mild) Asperger syndrome. We are on a waiting list to get him tested by a professional team (in Belgium, waiting lists are +1 year). He's very intelligent, funny and curious, but also has poor social skills and very intense emotions which he has trouble dealing with. I won't elaborate on his persona, because I have a very specific question.

Lately, he developed an obsession with Angry Birds. He did have previous special interests, but none of them became so important and intense. He talks mostly about Angry Birds, he only draws Angry Birds, he continuously hums the song and makes the birdsounds. If I try to change the subject, he turns any conversation topic into something related to Angry Birds. It's come to the point were the other children in his class are starting to ignore him when he goes on and on about it. At home, he can become furiously angry when I tell him it's time to stop playing the game.

I allow him 15 minutes a day to play the game on my iPad, I let him play with the construction game (where you have to build the structure and use actual Angry Birds figurines), and I told him he could draw what he want, but I would like to see some other drawings as well. I also explained to him that some people don't want to talk or hear about Angry Birds all the time.

I understand the world of Angry Birds might comfort him and it could be that there's something about the 'angry' part that attracts him, since he gets angry very fast and very intensely. I decided, therefore, that I might try 'the anger managment for kids using angry birds-technique' because it uses his obsession to teach him about how to deal with anger. I'm not allowed to post the link here, but it's basically using the birds features to explain appropiate / non-appropiated behaviour, like 'don't throw stuff like the white bird throws eggs, but take deep breaths like the inflatable bird'.

But, I don't know how to handle the conversation-thing. Should I tell him to stop talking about it when he's going on and on about it? That seems harsh. But how do I explain 'moderation' to a five-year old? I want to respect him and his interest, but sometimes, it scares me how he gets carried away.


You might try letting him video tape himself talking about angry birds and then watch it. At least that way he won't be annoying you about it.



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18 Feb 2013, 2:21 pm

It's been a long time since I visited this forum, but it just want to thank everyone for their comments. Tha Angry Birds have made way for another special intrest, and I find it much easier to deal with it. Just wanted to say thanks again.



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03 Jun 2016, 10:15 pm

@sidney (the OP)

This is my first time posting in this forum so forgive me if I didn't do something correctly ;)

I just did a Google search about an obsession with Angry Birds and this thread popped up. Your description of your child fits my son to a T. I'm just curious...did your child eventually get a diagnosis? My son is 10 and we've suspected ADHD and/or autism for a while now (esp after his younger brother was dx with ASD/Aspergers last year). We are in the process of scheduling an appointment with a psychologist for a full evaluation. He is obsessed with certain topics and talks about them forever...he makes extensive lists of things like all the Angry Bird plush toys. He's an excellent artist and draws them almost everyday (for about the past 5 years). He also wants to watch endless YouTube videos on them and copy the videos/storylines with his own toys but will rarely ever make up his own stories. Is that ever an indication of anything else or does it sound like ASD?

Thanks!