Some Mothers Chosen By God

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Yes, you are correct Mitochondrial DNA are passed from the mother. I think I said that. But they have done DNA testing and do not find any flaws in the transport chain. Trust me, I am very up on Mitochondrial Disorders. Some Mitochondria 's DNA however can be damaged changed via toxins from environment, chemicals ect. For example : some believe the vaccines being toxins can damage mitochondria causing the disorders we speak of. DNA testing has been done in my house. Much of it. The DNA in the nucleus of the Mitochondria are different from the DNA around the Mitochondria. Some Mito diseases come from a flawed nucleus. They have found this also causes many neurological issues.

It's your opinion that science has no human qualities. I beg to differ.

You said that it comes from the mother in *some* cases. I was simply stating that it can only come from the mother.

And again, please explain what you mean by "God is science." Your statement was just a rewording of the same thing.
To me, saying science has human characteristics, like intent, is like saying my recipe for cheesecake is a sentient being. Please explain.
And it is not my opinion, it is a factual definition (from Wikipedia):

"Science (from the Latin scientia, meaning "knowledge" or "knowing") is the effort to discover, and increase human understanding of how the physical world works. Using controlled methods, scientists collect data in the form of observations, records of observable physical evidence of natural phenomena, and analyze this information to construct theoretical explanations of how things work."

Let's try changing that to God.

"God is the effort to discover, and increase human understanding of how the physical world works. Using controlled methods, clergy collect data in the form of observations, records of observable physical evidence of natural phenomena, and analyze this information to construct theoretical explanations of how things work."
Is this what you believe? I am not trying to insult you, I am genuinely asking, because you still didn't explain it to me.

You, of all people ,should be able to think out of the box. I don't have to explain anything. And a dictionary doesnt make it fact.
Science causes us to search, to understand the human experience everyday.

You seem to be getting offended and I don't understand why. Your statment, "God is science" makes no sense. And rather than qualify it with further explanation, you call on me to explain YOUR belief.
Science doesn't cause us to search, it is the tool we use to search. And that still doesn't equate it to God.

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If science tells us HOW things are, God tells us WHY they are.

A very important distinction, very important to understand.

You assume there is a "why" to everything. And you assume this, like you assumed the things you said about me, based on NOTHING. How can you presume to know the mind of your God?
By the way, you still didn't explain what you based your insults to me on.

No one knows the mind of God. The mind of God is unknowable because it is infinite. As humans we only know what God reveals to us. If most religions speak of God in the proprietary sense, I personally would have to assume that none of them are false and that all of them are true. Why? Because it makes more sense to me than having just the One True Faith surrounded by a bunch of liars and infidels. It makes more sense if you consider all religion everywhere to hold a piece of the puzzle.

I got a little upset with you during that discussion because I felt you were being very callous and disrespectful of another user, a mother with an Aspie son. She explained how her faith in God sustains her and gives her strength. Even if you are not religious, your speech should still be respectful.

I like this ^^
I still think the story is beautiful fiction, though.
I wonder about the why behind abusive parents.
Any speculation on that?

"No one knows the mind of God."
"The mind of God is unknowable because it is infinite."
"As humans we only know what God reveals to us."

This is exactly what I am talking about. These are all attributes of God that you are pulling out of thin air. To say that God is unknowable is itself saying that you know something about God. Furthermore, to say that all religions are right displays an ignorance of them. They contradict each other and therefore can't all be right. Most of them even contradict themselves. And they ALL make assumptions about God. What makes you think God is even the "good guy"? I've read the Bible (yes, all of it) and he seems like the bad guy to me. Mass infanticide, human sacrifice, infinite punishment for finite crimes... I could go on and on.
And, again, my speech was respectful. Yours was not. And you STILL haven't explained why you *know* I am a "dumb kid" and that parenthood, home ownership and income taxes are ahead of me.

You can't really speculate on such things in a general sense. On a specific case of a child being born to abusive parents, you have to look at the parents' upbringing and influences to determine the cause.

I was abused as a child. I think I have a tough skin because I did survive it. I think it made me a stronger person in the end. It prepared me for so much in my life. My belief in God is very abstract. Not objective. I believe it "God" is much greater then religion.

In other words, you can't explain God = Science. I provided a definition of science and asked you to fill in the definition of God that completes the equation. You still have not. By this logic, I could say your God is a ham sandwich and it is just as valid.

Why do parents abuse their children? Or, differently put, why are some children born to abusive parents? It's a lottery. It's a crapshoot. Sometimes the only discernable WHY behind any of it is simply rotten luck. Bad luck.

Why did Christropher Reeve suffer that spinal cord injury?

Rotten luck.

I was born to loving parents and a good home, but I could just as easily been born to hateful parents in a crummy home. I played the lotto, as we all do. I was extremely fortunate to have been born to educated, employed parents in a rich 1st World country-- Canada. If I had been born in Africa or India or South America, my odds would have been much lower.

You just took the long way around to agree with me and refute the original story.

BTW, I am almost 30, have 3 kids, a house in the suburbs, and a good job with a multi-national corporation. And thus far all of the paychecks I have earned from the aforementioned company have had income taxes taken from them. Perhaps you should rethink some of your assumptions about other things...

I believe this also. I believe God, the real God, is too big for any holy book, any one religion. So you see I am not the Christian snob you all take me for.

Who ever said you were a "Christian snob"?

There doesn't appear to be an empty space on your little flag thing for people like me...how very tolerant.