"25 Manners Every Kid Should Know By Age 9"

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Sorry that was confusing.

What I meant by double thanks is that there were basically two reasons to thank them, not that you need to do it twice.

If you read that TRIPE, it effectively says LITERALLY that all under 18 shall be subordinate to all 18 or over NOT only in that they are treated as dumb kids, but ALSO that they should gladly be treated as slaves!

EXACTLY! HECK, I have ALWAYS been for kids rights. Nothing really off the wall, just BASIC rights! So I'm almost 10 times as old now, SO WHAT!?!? I still feel the same. If a person is right, they're right, REGARDLESS of age! If they can't stand the noise, or handle social situations, ACCEPT IT! I mean only ONE person knows if it is true, and that is THEM!

And yeah, the wording in that document sounds like kids are NOTHING and like the lowliest adult is better than the best child and is a hard worker, etc... COME ON! IF ONLY that were true!

Um - no

Actually, this one is not age relevant at all. It is about showing up at someones house, interrupting what they may have been doing so they can "host" you. If someone is gracious enough to do it. You are not entitled to Shi@, so when just shows up and is treated well, one should be grateful.

I have an 11 year old "guest" here right now. He is making a mess, noise and eating my food. He is most certainly NOT a slave. We make sure that as a guest in our home he is comfortable. I will still thank him for coming over and he will likely thank us for having him. It's nice manners. There was no subjugation or slavery (unless you are talking about me cleaning up after the kids).

When people do nice things for you, it is nice to thank them. Having you in their home is a nice thing.

In reality adults should be following those rules too but they don't. But parents teach them to their kids so they are good adults when they become one but they can choose to not follow them.

My mom used to tell me as a kid that other kids don't have very good parents or that their parents don't teach them manners and that they let them be mean. She also used to say about adults that they weren't taught as children. But as an adult I realize those are just judgments and assumptions on my mother's part. parents can't always keep their eyes on their kids because what are they supposed to do? Helicopter parent to make sure they are following their rules? No, parents aren't going to know everything and kids can choose to break rules they were taught because that is what kids do. Break rules to see what they can get away with and they do it when their parents are not around.

Parents can teach their kids manners all they want but they can choose to not follow them as adults, it doesn't mean their parents failed raising them just because they are rude adults or mean.

In fact some parents have no clue what their kids do online. They are not going to know that their 13 year old goes on youtube and trolls on there by posting inflammatory comments despite that they had taught him to be respectful and to keep his mouth shut if he has nothing nice to say or that their teen expecting daughter goes on Babycenter and makes fun of people for posting ignorant questions and for misspelling a few words despite being taught that bullying is not okay.

You gave me some good answers to some questions I had by stating all of this.






I don't mean just the unspoken rules. I mean beliefs, assumptions, and ideas. It isn't just about raising kids either. I'm just the most ignorant man in the entire world who has more questions than answers about things like beliefs, values, assumptions and other things. Honestly I don't blame you or society for this but I'm just one of those guys who want to know why the sky is blue and the grass is green. I don't just accept the rules without the reasoning behind them and how they were derived. Sometimes I think it is a gift and sometimes I think it is a curse. I have questioned other people before and your reaction to my questions was very kind compared to others. Other people will get angry. Anything that someone says I will put it through a scrutiny of questioning. Sometimes it may turn out the other person who stated something or believes something makes sense. A good chunk of the time I have had misconceptions about things myself.



I am in 100% agree wholeheartedly. I don't like it when people just show up unannounced. It drives me crazy.

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When you say you are entitled to shi@ I would've challenged it under a scrutiny of questions a few months back. I understand what you are saying by this phrase. It means in this case you can't just show up at people's house and always expect to get what you want. If this was so then someone else would have to be forced to give that other person what they wanted. Even with this, I do believe there are some exceptions.



This kid needs to clean up his mess in my opinion and quit making noise. He is disturbing your peace and sanity. Yes, there needs to be respect for differences in thinking but in my opinion a person can't just be allowed to run naked across yankee stadium. This is why I ask a lot of questions. There are multiple sides to the same cloth including your side which I do respect.



It is awesome to receive a thank you. On the other hand, I do not believe I am entitled to a thank you. I am grateful when I do receive one. It warms my heart.

Personally, I believe once we get these rules into their proper context they are for the most part excellent rules.

I remember as a kid I always showed up at peoples houses to play and other kids did that with us too. They come over and want to play with me or my brothers. I did the same too by going to my friends and seeing if they can play. Back then it was "Can (insert name here) play?"

Now today people ask if they can come over because you want to make sure they are home and that is basically inviting yourself over. If they call you and ask if you can come over and visit, that is an invite they are doing.

As a kid I could not understand why it was okay for me to just go to a friend's house and ring their door bell and ask if their kid can play and other times mom would make me call them first to see if their kid can play than having me go over and ask which never made sense. Why did she have different rules and told me when to do it and when not to? Same as when she tell me sometimes "Did she invite you?" but yet it was okay for me to go to my best friend's house but not someone else's. Why did that rule not apply to all my friends and why did it apply sometimes?

I'm gonna guess that it had to do with how comfortable your mom was with the other family. For me, there is one family that it's always ok for the kids to just show up at either house. Then there are families who I don't know their preferences or rules, I would probably need to talk to the parents before my kids could just go over there. In addition, with my DS he is only OK playing over if it is one kid, if others join, he has to go home or get me to watch them - groups usually = meltdowns. There are families who I know think my kid is weird, so if my son asked to go to their house, I would ask if he were invited. (I don't know that I would say yes, because I don't think they understand him and I don't trust that they would be helpful if things got difficult). These families observed a meltdown once and told each other how my being tougher on DS would fix whatever his problems were. There are a bunch of reasons why the rules are different, mostly stemming from differences in the families.

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YOU are referring to the ideals that SHOULD be expressed! I am referring to those that ARE! It says adult, and kid/child, so it DOES refer to age.

Agreed, but the author went to a lot of trouble to add a bias and make even the best manner MORONIC!