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21 May 2014, 1:26 pm

My problems with getting and keeping a job: The only jobs I've managed to get are entry-level, part-time ones. I do have odd mannerisms and body language which probably puts people off at interviews. I've gotten fired from working in 2 fast-food places after 2 weeks and one after 2 months. The reason was that I was way too slow, I do have poor processing speed and I was clumsy and dropped a lot things and couldn't arrange things neatly for the customers. I have a specific learning disorder that makes it difficult for me to understand spatial relations. This means that cutting things in neat, strait lines or arranging things in a neat way is hard for me

I've also been fired from a retail job after a month because I made no sales.

I worked in a daycare for a year as a supply assistant but got three written warnings and then just stopped getting called in (I was a supply who was called in when others were away). Part of the problem here was sensory and I would hide in the bathroom to avoid the noise and chaos for long periods sometimes. Also, I had a huge altercation with a supervisor who was not following a rule of the center (taking the children out of the cribs when they cried) and I told her that she should. She said she never wanted to work with me again and I should tell the administration not to send me to her room. Another problem was that I would hyper-focus on one thing, like changing diapers and not notice another child being seriously hurt near me. The expectation was that I should mutli-task and be aware of and care for all the children in my immediate vicinity but I was so focused on the diaper changing that I didn't notice anything else. It is a little bit sad because I do love children and have a certain amount of nurturing, maternal instincts in-spite of the disorder.

Right now I have a part-time job shelving books in a library. I've been told that I must improve my speed at shelving, I must double it in the next three months. There's a six month probation period. I've also been reprimanded for talking to myself loudly while working. It's a library so quiet is expected but I talk out-loud to myself to help me focus and drown out the noise around me, I'm hyper-sensitive to noise. I had problems with the assignments , stapling and cutting things neatly, but was told that I didn't have to do those things anymore. I also have trouble with time-management. I get to work on time and come back from break on time as well but there is a schedule and one must move from one task to another at specific times or the whole schedule for the day is screwed-up. I get really hyper-focused on one task and go over-time, do not move to the next task when I'm supposed to. My accuracy at shelving and shelf-reading is 100%. I will see what happens. I would very much like to keep this job, I enjoy it when I'm not being evaluated closely (which makes me really nervous).



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21 May 2014, 1:57 pm

I already have a Bachelor's degree in Psychology but there are no specific jobs I can get with this. Now, I've gone back for my M.A in Library Science because that will give me a specific qualification, to be a librarian , and then perhaps I'll have more luck getting a job. I've never applied for disability , though most people think I'd qualify for it easily. My mum wants me to hold down a job if at all possible and can support me for the most part right now, so I'm still trying, at 29. I'm working on my degree one course at a time. Another disorder I have is Generalized Anxiety Disorder and I have panic attacks (feeling feint, heart-racing, hyperventilating etc.) and then become exhausted afterwards and also have issues with attention. Being in school full-time was too overwhelming for me, in terms of anxiety provoking sensory stimulation so I did a reduced course load in under-grad. For this degree, the only option for doing it part-time is one course at a time. It will take me five and a half years to complete this two year degree. The restriction has to do with the price structure at the university, there are fixed tuition costs for part-time and full-time students.

In elementary school, many letters were written home about me twirling string in front of my eyes and making noise to myself constantly during class and being in "my own little world". The phrase was actually used every year in my report cards from JK to grade 3. I was very inattentive and I would wander off. For gym, we had to play baseball outside in the school yard. I'd be standing at a base and I'd turn around, take off my coat and throw it down and then wander off away from my class with no warning. I had to be caught. I was evaluated for motor skills problems after the first week of JK because the teacher was concerned. My hearing was checked because I didn't listen or respond to my name but my hearing was normal. At lunch I threw out my sandwich everyday for years because the smell was awful to me . I never thought to ask my mum for something else for lunch. I was bullied mercilessness by the whole school, I was the school pariah. I would stay around the kids who teased me and respond in a way that the kids used as fodder to further bully me. At one point , I recited the class rules to other kids. I threw tantrums in school when my desk or box of supplies was moved, I wanted sameness. At lunch I ran away from the crowded room and had problems with it so I was put with younger kids to eat in their classroom. One day I started throwing out other kids' sandwiches, as I did with mine everyday, in that classroom and had to be removed.Until the middle of high school I was very inattentive and unmotivated and was socially unaware.

I have gotten a lot better. My dentist (who sees both children and adults with special needs) said "who would have thought you'd ever get two degrees" and I don't think the teachers and professionals who worked with me as a child would have thought that possible. Although I did speak close to on-time and spoke well and my verbal IQ was very high, even as a child, I had very serious, very noticeable problems back then, as described above.



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21 May 2014, 2:13 pm

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He has lots of good signs. He babbles and laughs and wants, at least to some degree, to engage with you.

He's LITTLE. ITTY-BITTY LITTLE. He's still a BABY.

I'm not saying there's nothing wrong, but-- honey, it's too soon to be getting yourself upset over what he might or might not be able to do 16 or 18 or 20 years from now.

Don't go reaching for another baby right away, either. Take some time to work with the child you have. Your wife is 27 and you are 32. Time is something you have plenty of.

Don't worry too much about what the future might be. Don't let that fear steal the child you have right in front of you from you. He may not be the child you expected, but he IS the child you have had for the last 19 months. That perfect little baby isn't any less real than he was a week ago, or a month ago.

I have to talk to my mother-in-law right now. I'll try this again later.

Thank you its very encouraging. I am getting more positive. The people of this forum have been really helpful. One thing that I realized was that its possible that my grandfather could be somewhere on the spectrum. He always was socially awkward. He can tell a story and doesn't understand that its too long and I want him to stop. I can look at my watch and yawn and he will not notice. When he talks on the phone he hangs up and doesn't say bye. He is preoccupied with the radio and has a routine where he falls asleep with it playing the news. He has been like this even when he was much younger. He never knew that he might have had ASD. Maybe the autism epidemic is a self fulfilling prophesy. Maybe these symptoms do exist, but for a large portion of people knowing that they have it leads to fear of socialization. I just wonder if as an antisocial teenager, that I was told that I had ASD, would I have the same life? I don't know if this is true but its something that I wonder about.


Good questions. I DO have it, and I wonder-- If I had suspected before I was 19, and known for sure before I was 34 with a husband and three kids, would I have even tried?? Would I be here?? Would I be anywhere??

Look-- read the statistics, and then throw them away. Anyone can manipulate statistics. They say more than 80% of people with Asperger's (not the whole autism spectrum-- just Asperger's) are unemployed. But my father had it, and he worked in the coal mines for 30 years. His uncle might have gotten him the job, but his uncle did not make it possible for him to keep the job. My mom's father had it, and he worked in the coal mines for 40 years. Asperger's didn't cost him the job-- a massive heart attack and the collapse of the steel industry did (and even then, he had no trouble finding work, even if it was as a janitor in the church). My husband's former boss has it-- and he's a "former" boss not because he lost his job, but because he got promoted to being a partner in the company and moved to the main office. I have it, and I managed to wait tables for over a year.

I realize that my struggles-- all our struggles, really-- were probably mild compared to what your boy is facing (or anyway what you think he's facing). That's not the point. The point is, in America anyway, statistics LIE. They do it all the time.

Look again-- my son has ADHD (maybe-- or maybe it's Asperger's, or maybe it's both, because it's hard to be sure when they're only six years old). I was driving myself crazy reading all these statistics about how "fewer than 20% progress beyond a high-school education" and "a greater percentage report problems with relationships and family."

And then I read a European study-- one where they actually provide the numbers for the control group as well. 24% of kids without ADHD finish college; 19% of kids with ADHD do. WHY, precisely, was I getting all upset over a difference of 5%?? Because the way the American studies are worded makes it look HUGE. Falsely. Something like 27% of 'typical' teens and young adults report having problems with relationships-- versus something like 33% of teens and young adults with ADHD.

I had my kid all torn up with my own hopelessness and fear. And his behavior was getting worse, and he was developing anxiety issues, and it was all a miserable mess. He certainly wasn't making any progress.

I realize that ADHD isn't the point here-- I'm not trying to make ADHD the point. The point is that AMERICAN STUDIES DISTORT THE FACTS, usually to get sympathy and media coverage and political attention and funding, funding, funding. So don't get yourself all despairing over American studies and American statistics.

Look at the kid in front of you. Keep your eyes on the kid in front of you. What the kid in front of you can do, and what the kid in front of you is struggling with, and what works and does not work for the kid in front of you.

My kid is doing a lot better since I decided I was going to hold on to that lesson and never let it go ever, ever again.

You make it a priority to get yourself a good, hard grip on that lesson. AND DO NOT LET GO OF IT. If you get a gloom-and-doom therapist, fire them and find another one. If you get, down the road, a gloom-and-doom teacher who is all about limitations, demand another one.

Keep your eyes on the kid in front of you. And DO NOT GIVE UP.


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21 May 2014, 2:15 pm

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My problems with getting and keeping a job: The only jobs I've managed to get are entry-level, part-time ones. I do have odd mannerisms and body language which probably puts people off at interviews. I've gotten fired from working in 2 fast-food places after 2 weeks and one after 2 months. The reason was that I was way too slow, I do have poor processing speed and I was clumsy and dropped a lot things and couldn't arrange things neatly for the customers. I have a specific learning disorder that makes it difficult for me to understand spatial relations. This means that cutting things in neat, strait lines or arranging things in a neat way is hard for me

I've also been fired from a retail job after a month because I made no sales.

I worked in a daycare for a year as a supply assistant but got three written warnings and then just stopped getting called in (I was a supply who was called in when others were away). Part of the problem here was sensory and I would hide in the bathroom to avoid the noise and chaos for long periods sometimes. Also, I had a huge altercation with a supervisor who was not following a rule of the center (taking the children out of the cribs when they cried) and I told her that she should. She said she never wanted to work with me again and I should tell the administration not to send me to her room. Another problem was that I would hyper-focus on one thing, like changing diapers and not notice another child being seriously hurt near me. The expectation was that I should mutli-task and be aware of and care for all the children in my immediate vicinity but I was so focused on the diaper changing that I didn't notice anything else. It is a little bit sad because I do love children and have a certain amount of nurturing, maternal instincts in-spite of the disorder.

Right now I have a part-time job shelving books in a library. I've been told that I must improve my speed at shelving, I must double it in the next three months. There's a six month probation period. I've also been reprimanded for talking to myself loudly while working. It's a library so quiet is expected but I talk out-loud to myself to help me focus and drown out the noise around me, I'm hyper-sensitive to noise. I had problems with the assignments , stapling and cutting things neatly, but was told that I didn't have to do those things anymore. I also have trouble with time-management. I get to work on time and come back from break on time as well but there is a schedule and one must move from one task to another at specific times or the whole schedule for the day is screwed-up. I get really hyper-focused on one task and go over-time, do not move to the next task when I'm supposed to. My accuracy at shelving and shelf-reading is 100%. I will see what happens. I would very much like to keep this job, I enjoy it when I'm not being evaluated closely (which makes me really nervous).

Daydreamer, I hope your library job goes well. For one, writing and expressing your thoughts is a skill fewer people have conpared to working in retail. It seems that most of what you described was physical. Do you have issues with abstract science such as programming? I personally love jobs that are analytical. Thank you for the honest response because it helps me to understand my son better.



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21 May 2014, 2:16 pm

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Look at the kid in front of you. Keep your eyes on the kid in front of you. What the kid in front of you can do, and what the kid in front of you is struggling with, and what works and does not work for the kid in front of you.

My kid is doing a lot better since I decided I was going to hold on to that lesson and never let it go ever, ever again.

You make it a priority to get yourself a good, hard grip on that lesson. AND DO NOT LET GO OF IT. If you get a gloom-and-doom therapist, fire them and find another one. If you get, down the road, a gloom-and-doom teacher who is all about limitations, demand another one.

Keep your eyes on the kid in front of you. And DO NOT GIVE UP.


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21 May 2014, 6:00 pm

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My problems with getting and keeping a job: The only jobs I've managed to get are entry-level, part-time ones. I do have odd mannerisms and body language which probably puts people off at interviews. I've gotten fired from working in 2 fast-food places after 2 weeks and one after 2 months. The reason was that I was way too slow, I do have poor processing speed and I was clumsy and dropped a lot things and couldn't arrange things neatly for the customers. I have a specific learning disorder that makes it difficult for me to understand spatial relations. This means that cutting things in neat, strait lines or arranging things in a neat way is hard for me

I've also been fired from a retail job after a month because I made no sales.

I worked in a daycare for a year as a supply assistant but got three written warnings and then just stopped getting called in (I was a supply who was called in when others were away). Part of the problem here was sensory and I would hide in the bathroom to avoid the noise and chaos for long periods sometimes. Also, I had a huge altercation with a supervisor who was not following a rule of the center (taking the children out of the cribs when they cried) and I told her that she should. She said she never wanted to work with me again and I should tell the administration not to send me to her room. Another problem was that I would hyper-focus on one thing, like changing diapers and not notice another child being seriously hurt near me. The expectation was that I should mutli-task and be aware of and care for all the children in my immediate vicinity but I was so focused on the diaper changing that I didn't notice anything else. It is a little bit sad because I do love children and have a certain amount of nurturing, maternal instincts in-spite of the disorder.

Right now I have a part-time job shelving books in a library. I've been told that I must improve my speed at shelving, I must double it in the next three months. There's a six month probation period. I've also been reprimanded for talking to myself loudly while working. It's a library so quiet is expected but I talk out-loud to myself to help me focus and drown out the noise around me, I'm hyper-sensitive to noise. I had problems with the assignments , stapling and cutting things neatly, but was told that I didn't have to do those things anymore. I also have trouble with time-management. I get to work on time and come back from break on time as well but there is a schedule and one must move from one task to another at specific times or the whole schedule for the day is screwed-up. I get really hyper-focused on one task and go over-time, do not move to the next task when I'm supposed to. My accuracy at shelving and shelf-reading is 100%. I will see what happens. I would very much like to keep this job, I enjoy it when I'm not being evaluated closely (which makes me really nervous).

Daydreamer, I hope your library job goes well. For one, writing and expressing your thoughts is a skill fewer people have conpared to working in retail. It seems that most of what you described was physical. Do you have issues with abstract science such as programming? I personally love jobs that are analytical. Thank you for the honest response because it helps me to understand my son better.


Thanks. I did very well in biology but I didn't go into natural science or computer science because I had trouble with math, beyond a certain point and of-course, physics, which involves a lot of math. My specific learning disorder ,which impairs spatial reasoning, made it very difficult. When I did well in school it was in lower-level psychology and biology courses in uni and history and intro to social science in high school, all of which involved a lot of memorization and evaluation in the form of multiple choice exams. There were some labs in bio, with physical work required, which I did poorly on but I did well enough on the exams to make up for that.



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21 May 2014, 7:43 pm

Your son's traits don't seem severe, if he is less than two years old and already babbling, laughing with you, asking to be picked up, and noticing you when you come home.

If I were you, I would not lower your expectations for your son (it is easy for this to become self-fulfilling prophecy), obsess over each autistic trait in some weird clinical way that a lot of parents seem to do, or focus overly on social development at the expense of intellectual.


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21 May 2014, 8:17 pm

First of all, congratulations to you and your wife for being brave enough to seek a diagnosis this early. That took guts, and a deep love for and dedication to your baby boy. I have twin almost three year old boys on the autism spectrum. They were diagnosed at around the same age as your son. I know how hard it can be to admit there is a problem, then to accept it when your fears are confirmed. You did good, Dad.

Second, autism is not a death sentence. It is just a descriptor of how your boy's brain is likely wired, at best like being left-handed or right-handed, or left-brained or right-brained, in my opinion. We are all on the autism spectrum, every last human being on the planet. It's just a matter of degree. We all have physical ticks we use to calm ourselves down, we can become obsessive at times, basically, everything that an autistic person does, every person does to some degree.

Third, he is still your son. He is of you. Flesh and blood, spirit and all. When I really looked at my boys, everything they did, whether or not it could be labeled as "autistic" was something I could see in myself, my husband, or some family member. Don't let the label make you feel like he is somehow separate from you or dropped here from another planet. It's just that he demonstrates some of the traits that run in your family, or your wife's more strongly, or with less control. He's so young now, that he has time to learn so much, and thanks to your quick action, he will get the chance.

Okay, here is super specific advice:

1) ABA can be great. But, don't let them break his spirit. If your son has a favorite calming activity, like spinning, lining up things, etc, don't let them use it as a reward, or take it away as punishment, or try to stop him cold turkey. His brain needs it for whatever reason. Focus on extending the period of time that he can go without it so that he can build up his tolerance, but never use it as a carrot. Just my opinion, and it's worked really well for my little spinner. He only spins now when he's scared or anxious, and he can stop easily - I'm okay with that.

2) Don't lower your expectations for your child. He can accomplish whatever he wants in this world. Instead, focus on seeing him for who he is, and not who you wish he would be, and get him the right tools. Keep your standards about behavior and academic accomplishment, but adjust your approach based on who he is, not his label.

3) Send him to preschool for a couple of days a week. Ask ABA to accompany him for a part of the time that he's there (maybe 2 hours out of a 4 hour program). The rest, let him be with the other kids.

4) Do the things he likes with him. Even if it's spinning or lining up toys, or whatever his repetitive behavior might be. ABA will tell you not to do this. DEFINITELY DO. Autism is largely a social disorder, and the first building blocks of socialization are the relationships with the parents. Protect that relationship at all costs. Find him in his world. Meet him there. Make him know that you get it and that he is perfect just the way he is. The goal is to give him a strong basis of trust that he can use as a foundation to start exploring the world around him.

5) Don't expect him to be "normal". That doesn't mean that he can't be great! But, don't define his potential or his worth by milestone guidelines or other kids. I don't believe autism has a cure, but it doesn't limit what someone can accomplish. It just changes the way that they go about it. Accept that, and support your son with the appropriate, but don't try or expect to "cure" his autism. His path will probably different than your own. And if he were NT, you'd probably have to accept that at some point, too.

I could write a book about my opinions - ha! - but, I'll stop here. I really do think that if you can protect his self-esteem, you've won half the battle.

You sound like a great, pro-active dad. All my best to you and your family!



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21 May 2014, 10:08 pm

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I already have a Bachelor's degree in Psychology but there are no specific jobs I can get with this. Now, I've gone back for my M.A in Library Science because that will give me a specific qualification, to be a librarian , and then perhaps I'll have more luck getting a job. I've never applied for disability , though most people think I'd qualify for it easily. My mum wants me to hold down a job if at all possible and can support me for the most part right now, so I'm still trying, at 29. I'm working on my degree one course at a time. Another disorder I have is Generalized Anxiety Disorder and I have panic attacks (feeling feint, heart-racing, hyperventilating etc.) and then become exhausted afterwards and also have issues with attention. Being in school full-time was too overwhelming for me, in terms of anxiety provoking sensory stimulation so I did a reduced course load in under-grad. For this degree, the only option for doing it part-time is one course at a time. It will take me five and a half years to complete this two year degree. The restriction has to do with the price structure at the university, there are fixed tuition costs for part-time and full-time students.

In elementary school, many letters were written home about me twirling string in front of my eyes and making noise to myself constantly during class and being in "my own little world". The phrase was actually used every year in my report cards from JK to grade 3. I was very inattentive and I would wander off. For gym, we had to play baseball outside in the school yard. I'd be standing at a base and I'd turn around, take off my coat and throw it down and then wander off away from my class with no warning. I had to be caught. I was evaluated for motor skills problems after the first week of JK because the teacher was concerned. My hearing was checked because I didn't listen or respond to my name but my hearing was normal. At lunch I threw out my sandwich everyday for years because the smell was awful to me . I never thought to ask my mum for something else for lunch. I was bullied mercilessness by the whole school, I was the school pariah. I would stay around the kids who teased me and respond in a way that the kids used as fodder to further bully me. At one point , I recited the class rules to other kids. I threw tantrums in school when my desk or box of supplies was moved, I wanted sameness. At lunch I ran away from the crowded room and had problems with it so I was put with younger kids to eat in their classroom. One day I started throwing out other kids' sandwiches, as I did with mine everyday, in that classroom and had to be removed.Until the middle of high school I was very inattentive and unmotivated and was socially unaware.

I have gotten a lot better. My dentist (who sees both children and adults with special needs) said "who would have thought you'd ever get two degrees" and I don't think the teachers and professionals who worked with me as a child would have thought that possible. Although I did speak close to on-time and spoke well and my verbal IQ was very high, even as a child, I had very serious, very noticeable problems back then, as described above.


Amazing. Seems that you have come so far. I finished my MS at 30 btw. I can also relate because I was bullied all of my life. Not as bad as you but still bad. I was an immigrant and my parents dressed me like Steve Urkel. I had big think glasses, and I was skinny. I asked my grandparents for advice. They said find someone that's not too big, and make sure to isolate them from the pack, make sure you only respond to one person. I did that and I beat his @@@. I did it in different situations a couple of times. I always planned it so that I don't fight a group. It worked beautifully. High school didn't have any bullies but I was terrified of the lunchroom. Too many people (my HS had 3000 students). I spent lunch by myself for 4 years and got weird stares. Yet really I am a shark in this world, I feel a very strong sense of self because of my isolation as a teenager. Its hard to explain but going through such loneliness makes oneself in tune with yourself, and makes you less susceptible to other people's influence. Later in life i laughed at people when they offered me drugs socially. I was able to lead discussions at work. Maybe we are all a bit autistic :D



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21 May 2014, 10:13 pm

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He has lots of good signs. He babbles and laughs and wants, at least to some degree, to engage with you.

He's LITTLE. ITTY-BITTY LITTLE. He's still a BABY.

I'm not saying there's nothing wrong, but-- honey, it's too soon to be getting yourself upset over what he might or might not be able to do 16 or 18 or 20 years from now.

Don't go reaching for another baby right away, either. Take some time to work with the child you have. Your wife is 27 and you are 32. Time is something you have plenty of.

Don't worry too much about what the future might be. Don't let that fear steal the child you have right in front of you from you. He may not be the child you expected, but he IS the child you have had for the last 19 months. That perfect little baby isn't any less real than he was a week ago, or a month ago.

I have to talk to my mother-in-law right now. I'll try this again later.

Thank you its very encouraging. I am getting more positive. The people of this forum have been really helpful. One thing that I realized was that its possible that my grandfather could be somewhere on the spectrum. He always was socially awkward. He can tell a story and doesn't understand that its too long and I want him to stop. I can look at my watch and yawn and he will not notice. When he talks on the phone he hangs up and doesn't say bye. He is preoccupied with the radio and has a routine where he falls asleep with it playing the news. He has been like this even when he was much younger. He never knew that he might have had ASD. Maybe the autism epidemic is a self fulfilling prophesy. Maybe these symptoms do exist, but for a large portion of people knowing that they have it leads to fear of socialization. I just wonder if as an antisocial teenager, that I was told that I had ASD, would I have the same life? I don't know if this is true but its something that I wonder about.


Good questions. I DO have it, and I wonder-- If I had suspected before I was 19, and known for sure before I was 34 with a husband and three kids, would I have even tried?? Would I be here?? Would I be anywhere??

Look-- read the statistics, and then throw them away. Anyone can manipulate statistics. They say more than 80% of people with Asperger's (not the whole autism spectrum-- just Asperger's) are unemployed. But my father had it, and he worked in the coal mines for 30 years. His uncle might have gotten him the job, but his uncle did not make it possible for him to keep the job. My mom's father had it, and he worked in the coal mines for 40 years. Asperger's didn't cost him the job-- a massive heart attack and the collapse of the steel industry did (and even then, he had no trouble finding work, even if it was as a janitor in the church). My husband's former boss has it-- and he's a "former" boss not because he lost his job, but because he got promoted to being a partner in the company and moved to the main office. I have it, and I managed to wait tables for over a year.

I realize that my struggles-- all our struggles, really-- were probably mild compared to what your boy is facing (or anyway what you think he's facing). That's not the point. The point is, in America anyway, statistics LIE. They do it all the time.

Look again-- my son has ADHD (maybe-- or maybe it's Asperger's, or maybe it's both, because it's hard to be sure when they're only six years old). I was driving myself crazy reading all these statistics about how "fewer than 20% progress beyond a high-school education" and "a greater percentage report problems with relationships and family."

And then I read a European study-- one where they actually provide the numbers for the control group as well. 24% of kids without ADHD finish college; 19% of kids with ADHD do. WHY, precisely, was I getting all upset over a difference of 5%?? Because the way the American studies are worded makes it look HUGE. Falsely. Something like 27% of 'typical' teens and young adults report having problems with relationships-- versus something like 33% of teens and young adults with ADHD.

I had my kid all torn up with my own hopelessness and fear. And his behavior was getting worse, and he was developing anxiety issues, and it was all a miserable mess. He certainly wasn't making any progress.

I realize that ADHD isn't the point here-- I'm not trying to make ADHD the point. The point is that AMERICAN STUDIES DISTORT THE FACTS, usually to get sympathy and media coverage and political attention and funding, funding, funding. So don't get yourself all despairing over American studies and American statistics.

Look at the kid in front of you. Keep your eyes on the kid in front of you. What the kid in front of you can do, and what the kid in front of you is struggling with, and what works and does not work for the kid in front of you.

My kid is doing a lot better since I decided I was going to hold on to that lesson and never let it go ever, ever again.

You make it a priority to get yourself a good, hard grip on that lesson. AND DO NOT LET GO OF IT. If you get a gloom-and-doom therapist, fire them and find another one. If you get, down the road, a gloom-and-doom teacher who is all about limitations, demand another one.

Keep your eyes on the kid in front of you. And DO NOT GIVE UP.


We will always know our son better than anyone. But he is growing and we need to find ways to keep up. He has a habit of laying down on the ground which is fine except that he did that in the bathtub. His head submerged and it was very stressful. Things like that always show up. He recently started toe walking, and hitting his head against the back of the feeding chair. Statistics lie but they are easy for me to understand. The problem is that for ASD the studies are really poor.



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21 May 2014, 10:14 pm

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Your son's traits don't seem severe, if he is less than two years old and already babbling, laughing with you, asking to be picked up, and noticing you when you come home.

If I were you, I would not lower your expectations for your son (it is easy for this to become self-fulfilling prophecy), obsess over each autistic trait in some weird clinical way that a lot of parents seem to do, or focus overly on social development at the expense of intellectual.


I hope you are right. My wife keeps screaming at me to stop analyzing him.



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21 May 2014, 10:23 pm

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First of all, congratulations to you and your wife for being brave enough to seek a diagnosis this early. That took guts, and a deep love for and dedication to your baby boy. I have twin almost three year old boys on the autism spectrum. They were diagnosed at around the same age as your son. I know how hard it can be to admit there is a problem, then to accept it when your fears are confirmed. You did good, Dad.

Second, autism is not a death sentence. It is just a descriptor of how your boy's brain is likely wired, at best like being left-handed or right-handed, or left-brained or right-brained, in my opinion. We are all on the autism spectrum, every last human being on the planet. It's just a matter of degree. We all have physical ticks we use to calm ourselves down, we can become obsessive at times, basically, everything that an autistic person does, every person does to some degree.

Third, he is still your son. He is of you. Flesh and blood, spirit and all. When I really looked at my boys, everything they did, whether or not it could be labeled as "autistic" was something I could see in myself, my husband, or some family member. Don't let the label make you feel like he is somehow separate from you or dropped here from another planet. It's just that he demonstrates some of the traits that run in your family, or your wife's more strongly, or with less control. He's so young now, that he has time to learn so much, and thanks to your quick action, he will get the chance.

Okay, here is super specific advice:

1) ABA can be great. But, don't let them break his spirit. If your son has a favorite calming activity, like spinning, lining up things, etc, don't let them use it as a reward, or take it away as punishment, or try to stop him cold turkey. His brain needs it for whatever reason. Focus on extending the period of time that he can go without it so that he can build up his tolerance, but never use it as a carrot. Just my opinion, and it's worked really well for my little spinner. He only spins now when he's scared or anxious, and he can stop easily - I'm okay with that.

2) Don't lower your expectations for your child. He can accomplish whatever he wants in this world. Instead, focus on seeing him for who he is, and not who you wish he would be, and get him the right tools. Keep your standards about behavior and academic accomplishment, but adjust your approach based on who he is, not his label.

3) Send him to preschool for a couple of days a week. Ask ABA to accompany him for a part of the time that he's there (maybe 2 hours out of a 4 hour program). The rest, let him be with the other kids.

4) Do the things he likes with him. Even if it's spinning or lining up toys, or whatever his repetitive behavior might be. ABA will tell you not to do this. DEFINITELY DO. Autism is largely a social disorder, and the first building blocks of socialization are the relationships with the parents. Protect that relationship at all costs. Find him in his world. Meet him there. Make him know that you get it and that he is perfect just the way he is. The goal is to give him a strong basis of trust that he can use as a foundation to start exploring the world around him.

5) Don't expect him to be "normal". That doesn't mean that he can't be great! But, don't define his potential or his worth by milestone guidelines or other kids. I don't believe autism has a cure, but it doesn't limit what someone can accomplish. It just changes the way that they go about it. Accept that, and support your son with the appropriate, but don't try or expect to "cure" his autism. His path will probably different than your own. And if he were NT, you'd probably have to accept that at some point, too.

I could write a book about my opinions - ha! - but, I'll stop here. I really do think that if you can protect his self-esteem, you've won half the battle.

You sound like a great, pro-active dad. All my best to you and your family!


Thanks for the great advice. We have found a place that has both ABA and regular classes. I feel that he can learn a lot from other kids, maybe more than from adults. My nephews developed much quicker when they started daycare. Btw I suspected that he had autism at 15 months, but my wife was in denial. We went to our pediatrician, who said she didn't think he had it, but if we wanted to check with a neurologist we should. I was relieved because I was told what I wanted to believe. 4 months later my wife realized the symptoms were there. Thursday he was diagnosed.

One question that I have for parents is regarding TV. We have a hard time feeding him without it. He cries, tries to throw away the spoon and starts a tantrum. He doesn't chew solids other than occasional crackers. At 19 months it could be a trigger for autism but it could also be a learning tool. We only turn it on when it gets bad. Should we get rid of TV entirely?



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22 May 2014, 6:27 am

I fed my boys in front of the tv until they were around 26 months. They wouldn't eat solids until 14 months, and it was slow going getting them to really move away from a milk-based diet. With all of the therapy your son will get, he will actually be getting much more one on one developmental activity than the average NT kid. So, his 1-2 hours of TV a day while he's eating is still less tha the average amount that kids his age watch. In addition, his time away from the tv is filled with better quality activities. So watch eat and watch away, imo!



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22 May 2014, 8:47 am

Limit it (you are doing that), but don't get rid of TV altogether. It's a calming thing (I don't understand it, as I am a TV hater, but it works for a lot of people) and even little kids need a way to relax themselves.

Don't get down about the statistics. Even the autism experts are feeling their way in the dark; there is still more that they need to realize that they don't know than there is that they're sure about.

pddtwinmom has some really great advice-- I wish I'd had it together well enough to say that.

I read a book I thought was GREAT. I recommend it to everyone. "How to Teach Life Skills to Kids With Autism or Aspergers," by Jennifer McIlwe Myers. She's been there and done that (she has Asperger's and her brother is "classically autistic") and she strikes a pretty good balance. If someone had to raise me again, I would want them to take her advice.


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22 May 2014, 11:03 am

We used to have to put on what we called dinner shows for my son so that he would be able to finish a meal, lol. Thankfully, my husband is very funny, so we never had to use the TV.

I don't have an issue with limited TV watching, especially when it is in pursuit of a larger goal. What I will caution you to keep an eye open for, however, is when it might trip from being something calming into something agitating. I don't know when that happened for my son, but it did happen, and it took a while for any of us to realize it. The problem is going to be that until your son realizes it on his own, he will keep turning to it thinking it will calm him, and then not understand why he is feeling the opposite, and may meltdown when you try to turn it off. Hopefully, by keeping the amount of time limited, you can avoid this. We did have this problem with a few activities that were sensory seeking in nature; eventually they tripped (the basics that are internally driven like swinging and spinning and pacing don't seem to ever trip, thank goodness).


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22 May 2014, 10:32 pm

Thanks, Buyer! With two diagnosed within two months of each other, I had to get it together quickly or lose my mind. And I continue to be impressed by your posts! I lurk a lot more than I post, and your wisdom and advice have helped me immensely!

As for TV, if Bk's son gets all the services he should, his TV time will automatically be limited. If total tv time is just when he's eating, he will still be getting much less than the average toddler.

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