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20 Mar 2008, 11:26 am

I certainly haven't experienced the level of bullying that some people have but its still a significant amount. In answer to your question about home schooling I think it depends on how severe his AS is. If its very severe it might be an option, but otherwise I feel its more appropriate to leave him in school but ensure he has adequate support and protection (my parents threatened my school with lawyers and going to the press if they didn't stop it happening). By home schooling you may reduce his problems now but he will eventually have to go into the real world and deal with people at some point. Despite the problems I encountered at school I'm glad I went as its stood me in good stead for my dealings with people in later life. Ultimately though you know your son better than anyone here and you know how badly this is affecting him.



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20 Mar 2008, 11:30 am

tybald wrote:
By home schooling you may reduce his problems now but he will eventually have to go into the real world and deal with people at some point. Despite the problems I encountered at school I'm glad I went as its stood me in good stead for my dealings with people in later life.

Why do people so often think that homeschooling has nothing to do with real life? 8O :? where does this myth come from?

Who do you know who was homeschooled? Are they out of touch with reality? !? !

Schooling , "ordinary", respectable, public schooling did not stand me in good stead. Homeschooling, on the other hand, is increasingly shown to result in a better, more secure sense of self esteem, and in more confidence dealing with people.

Where do people get these propaganda-ridden ideas of homeschooling as some sort of dreamland, when in fact with every year that passes it is increasingly obvious (except to the blinkered), that it is a better preparation for a really sane and grounded adult life than normal schooling? :? 8O :roll: :x

How can intelligent people accept such garbage without the slightest examination of the facts? Is it really the homeschooled who are having diffficulty in the "real world"? ! !! :?: :!: :?: :roll: :roll: :x

AAAAAARRRRRGGGGHHHHHH ! ! !! !:x :x :x



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20 Mar 2008, 11:35 am

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....he will eventually have to go into the real world....

8O :( 8O :x :evil: 8O :evil: :(

Total incomprehension and despair in the face of such prejudice and misinformation mascarading as the voice of reason.

:x :evil: :evil: :x :evil: :evil:



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20 Mar 2008, 12:09 pm

I'm not claiming to have all the answers. This is just my take on things.



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20 Mar 2008, 7:03 pm

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i have thought long and hard about home schooling. there isn't much support in dublin for home schooling. he needs social contact to teach him the skills of social interaction, but at the same time, putting him in the social situations is resulting in bullying. am i doing more damage? whats the opinion of aspies who have been through the school system and were bullied all the way through it? how would you have felt being home schooled


Well, while it's true that I got bullied in school, I also sometimes get bullied as an adult by other adults.

I just think that school helped prepare me. i learned how not to let it all get to me in school, so now when I deal with bigots and whatnot I can use the very same attitudes I learned in school.



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20 Mar 2008, 7:32 pm

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gizmo wrote:
i have thought long and hard about home schooling. there isn't much support in dublin for home schooling. he needs social contact to teach him the skills of social interaction, but at the same time, putting him in the social situations is resulting in bullying. am i doing more damage? whats the opinion of aspies who have been through the school system and were bullied all the way through it? how would you have felt being home schooled


Well, while it's true that I got bullied in school, I also sometimes get bullied as an adult by other adults.

I just think that school helped prepare me. i learned how not to let it all get to me in school, so now when I deal with bigots and whatnot I can use the very same attitudes I learned in school.


I loved school, in part because it got me out of my HOUSE. :(

Unfortunately, the bullying that started in 6th grade and continued through my jr year of high school was AWFUL, and I got no support at the school or from home.

My mother was a public school teacher. However, she would not have been a good home-schooler. I have much more natural curiosity than she did - the best thing she could possibly do for me back then was just keep out of my way - I'd greedily seek out as much information about my interests as I could. I could spend entire Saturdays at the library, or in my room reading. If anything, she tried to stifle my curiosity, and certainly my "progressive thinking."

Yes, I have definitely been bullied by adults, as an adult! They just do it more subtley, with a smile. But it's still often just as mean and petty as jr high was. This is why I am self-employed. ;)



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20 Mar 2008, 10:15 pm

sinagua wrote:
morning_after wrote:
gizmo wrote:
i have thought long and hard about home schooling. there isn't much support in dublin for home schooling. he needs social contact to teach him the skills of social interaction, but at the same time, putting him in the social situations is resulting in bullying. am i doing more damage? whats the opinion of aspies who have been through the school system and were bullied all the way through it? how would you have felt being home schooled


Well, while it's true that I got bullied in school, I also sometimes get bullied as an adult by other adults.

I just think that school helped prepare me. i learned how not to let it all get to me in school, so now when I deal with bigots and whatnot I can use the very same attitudes I learned in school.


I loved school, in part because it got me out of my HOUSE. :(

Unfortunately, the bullying that started in 6th grade and continued through my jr year of high school was AWFUL, and I got no support at the school or from home.

My mother was a public school teacher. However, she would not have been a good home-schooler. I have much more natural curiosity than she did - the best thing she could possibly do for me back then was just keep out of my way - I'd greedily seek out as much information about my interests as I could. I could spend entire Saturdays at the library, or in my room reading. If anything, she tried to stifle my curiosity, and certainly my "progressive thinking."

Yes, I have definitely been bullied by adults, as an adult! They just do it more subtley, with a smile. But it's still often just as mean and petty as jr high was. This is why I am self-employed. ;)


Good for you.

And my school was different. I talked to the Vice President everyday, so we were friendly with each other, and I got the bullly kicked out.



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21 Mar 2008, 8:05 pm

In my local parents group we discussed a book about bullying called The Perfect Target. I have only read about 20 pages so far but it is really interesting. One of the moms read it and has enacted several of the strategies with her son and says it has really helped.



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23 Mar 2008, 6:55 pm

Hi flower :) I haven't read the whole thread but I wanted to say welcome, and I do understand. My children are 2 and 4. In October 2007, my daughter was diagnosed with autism. In November 2007, my son was diagnosed with PDD-NOS. I suspect they both have Asperger's, but that the diagnoses won't come until later.

Funny thing about your children's diagnoses - the apple doesn't often fall far from the tree. It turns out my husband and I are also on the spectrum, which explained a LOT for both of us.

As for getting your daughter a diagnosis if she has AS, don't give up and trust your gut feelings as a parent. It took two years to get a diagnosis for my daughter. I began seeking it when she was two. I had NO idea the diagnosis would be autism, I just knew something was very off. Be persistent. Mom instincts are pretty accurate.


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23 Mar 2008, 10:22 pm

Mikomi wrote:
Hi flower :) I haven't read the whole thread but I wanted to say welcome, and I do understand. My children are 2 and 4. In October 2007, my daughter was diagnosed with autism. In November 2007, my son was diagnosed with PDD-NOS. I suspect they both have Asperger's, but that the diagnoses won't come until later.

Funny thing about your children's diagnoses - the apple doesn't often fall far from the tree. It turns out my husband and I are also on the spectrum, which explained a LOT for both of us.

As for getting your daughter a diagnosis if she has AS, don't give up and trust your gut feelings as a parent. It took two years to get a diagnosis for my daughter. I began seeking it when she was two. I had NO idea the diagnosis would be autism, I just knew something was very off. Be persistent. Mom instincts are pretty accurate.


It took me more like 12 years



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25 Mar 2008, 3:50 pm

thanks everyone for your helpful comments. i think, in my sons case, it would be best if he stayed in mainstream school. i had parent teacher meetings at the end of february and gave each of his teachers an information sheet that i typed out and made it specific to his needs. they all seemed delighted and very keen to learn more about AS. i know it hasn't been long since then, but their awareness and a bit more understanding seems to be making a difference. i have also noticed that a few of the girls in his class seem to be protective towards him and are looking out for him. it must be their maternal instincts! the problem i'm having at the moment, which is why i haven't been online for a while, is my husband. i mentioned before that he also has AS, diagnosed only recently and i don't think he's taking it very well. our marraige has been difficult to say the least, but the diagnosis made it all make sense. i also mentioned how very alone i felt through most of our relationship, walking on eggshells and being careful of how i say things, hurt at the things he would say to me, and without no apparent remorse for hurting me! now i understand more why, but he is having a very hard time. he has gone to stay with his parents while he works through it because he isn't well enough to be around the children, especially my son. he has enough to deal with. my husband is already seeing a therapist twice a week for depression, so hopefully he will work it all out. one day at a time.



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25 Mar 2008, 3:53 pm

how old is your son?

I was in the same boat (still am)
I have never gotten any "AS help" it is like it doesn't exist-my whole family are NT's
I am truely alone in the world
I know how you feel (in a way)
there are ways to help just approach them in a different way
your son is going threw the worst part of an aspie's life



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25 Mar 2008, 4:25 pm

hi kilroy. my son is 13. a difficult time for any boy, but especially one with AS. i would just like to say that you're not alone. i felt very, very alone before i found this site. none of my family really understand. when i suggested to my mum that i thought my brother also had AS, she got very annoyed and shouted that he didn't, there was nothing wrong with him. i take this to mean that they feel there is something 'wrong' with matthew. it's just ignorance. when i asked for advice on this site, i was, and still am, absolutely overwhelmed by the support, honesty and genuine caring shown to me. we are nowhere near alone. everyone here understands and wants to help, so i hate to think that you feel alone. i'm so glad i found this site. everyone has your back.



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25 Mar 2008, 4:31 pm

I'm 19, and I can tell you it won't be easy for him
but since he has a mom who really sought out the info
it will be easier then I had it



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25 Mar 2008, 8:36 pm

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thanks everyone for your helpful comments. i think, in my sons case, it would be best if he stayed in mainstream school. i had parent teacher meetings at the end of february and gave each of his teachers an information sheet that i typed out and made it specific to his needs. they all seemed delighted and very keen to learn more about AS. i know it hasn't been long since then, but their awareness and a bit more understanding seems to be making a difference. i have also noticed that a few of the girls in his class seem to be protective towards him and are looking out for him. it must be their maternal instincts! the problem i'm having at the moment, which is why i haven't been online for a while, is my husband. i mentioned before that he also has AS, diagnosed only recently and i don't think he's taking it very well. our marraige has been difficult to say the least, but the diagnosis made it all make sense. i also mentioned how very alone i felt through most of our relationship, walking on eggshells and being careful of how i say things, hurt at the things he would say to me, and without no apparent remorse for hurting me! now i understand more why, but he is having a very hard time. he has gone to stay with his parents while he works through it because he isn't well enough to be around the children, especially my son. he has enough to deal with. my husband is already seeing a therapist twice a week for depression, so hopefully he will work it all out. one day at a time.


Let me know if you ever feel like you need a hug.



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26 Mar 2008, 8:43 am

thanks morning after. good to hear from you again. hope everything is okay with you.

kilroy, i'm sorry to hear you didn't have the support you should have. is there anybody at all you can talk to or feel you can trust or rely on?