my brother's children
my brother is extremely dedicated to one end, having children. he decided this before we hit puberty and has pursued the goal utterly single mindedly since. as this is ireland and i don't have such goals, and i tend to do things like leave parties early and run away from people who want to talk to me before noon, he is the 'good one'. however we get on well and he has taught his children to view me as 'eccentric auntie x' (which is fine with me).
the problem is other people's children. his kids like to go to places like playgrounds and so i get to go along. the other day, i was playing with his kids with that 'silly-string' stuff. it was all going well and we were covering each other in it. then someone else's kid (no idea whose, random kid in playground), came up and said 'do me'. so i did him. nice little nest of silly string on his chest, no orifices involved.
everyone looked at me horrified. my brother's kids said 'is she allowed to do that' and he said 'no'. the kid just stared at me shocked and backed away.
thing is, i don't understand why. clearly i broke some playground rule (and no, i never understood these when i was a kid either). but i didn't hurt the kid and i did exactly what he asked.
what am i missing?
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You brother had likely told his children to never "do" anyone else with that stuff in order to avoid complaint from anyone else or another parent and to keep from "wasting" his money on any children other than his own.
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Seems like a minor thing to me. Silly string doesn't leave stains does it? I haven't been around any in several years, but as I recall its about as harmless as a chemical toy can be. I suppose maybe you should have had him make sure it was okay with his Mum before you sprayed him, but I can't imagine it really causing an upset one way or another. Its not like you squirted it in his eyes, or just picked him at random and came running after him to assault him with bits of liquid string. He specifically asked for it and you were just being friendly by including him. If I were his parent, I'd be more upset that he was inviting himself into someone else's activities and talking to strangers.
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Some parents have funny rules with their kids so you basically should always tell them, "only if your mom tells me it's OK first." That goes for pretty much anything that has adult participation in some way: passing out food, taking a turn with a toy that requires supervision, borrowing a bike, etc. If kids are doing something like digging in the sand, that is different, and anytime a child asks, "can I join you?" the answer is supposed to be "yes."
It isn't always obvious even to a parent like me that is practiced in checking with the other mom first, so don't be upset by it. When stuff like that happens, just say, "oh, sorry, I forgot to check with your mom first" and move on.
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Mom to an amazing young adult AS son, plus an also amazing non-AS daughter. Most likely part of the "Broader Autism Phenotype" (some traits).
Occasionally, I may run into a child and some words will be exchanged depending on the nature of the situation, for example, my cat went missing once and I asked a kid if she had seen it, and someone on occasion, usually a relative, will reprimand me "They aren't supposed to talk to strangers."
And my reply is....
"They indeed are not. So why are you telling me?"
I'm a benign person. I'd never hurt a child. But there are those who would and they certainly aren't going to refrain from talking to children.
So I do not understand why I am told that I should not talk to a child if the need for me to do so arises, because it is the child who should not talk to those who they do not know.
It is not said that "You should not talk to children," it is said that "Children should not talk to strangers."
So I get quite annoyed when I talk to a child and someone tells me "They aren't supposed to talk to strangers," as if I have done something wrong.
People should not rely on strangers not to talk to their children.
It isn't always obvious even to a parent like me that is practiced in checking with the other mom first, so don't be upset by it. When stuff like that happens, just say, "oh, sorry, I forgot to check with your mom first" and move on.
But should not the parent have been watching the child?
i'd agree with dw, its a permissions thing. you dont do anything to someone elses child, especially if you dont know the parents or child. we have a boy who lives a couple doors away in our apt complex and he and my 6 yr old son play every single day. he cannot come into my house unless he asks his parents first, and my son also must obtain permission to go into his house.
for the OP, i think the fact that you are an adult that "did it" is what caused the surprise. kids play with stranger kids at the playground all the time, but an adult playing with a child they dont know comes across differently. if the children sprayed him, i doubt anything would have come of it except for possibly their dad admonishing them for spraying other kids.
And my reply is....
"They indeed are not. So why are you telling me?"
I'm a benign person. I'd never hurt a child. But there are those who would and they certainly aren't going to refrain from talking to children.
So I do not understand why I am told that I should not talk to a child if the need for me to do so arises, because it is the child who should not talk to those who they do not know.
It is not said that "You should not talk to children," it is said that "Children should not talk to strangers."
So I get quite annoyed when I talk to a child and someone tells me "They aren't supposed to talk to strangers," as if I have done something wrong.
People should not rely on strangers not to talk to their children.
you are aware tho that "help me find my missing pet" is a common lure attempt by child abductors, right? if for no other reason than to safeguard YOURSELF, you probably should not talk to children you dont know, and certainly never ask for their help, offer them anything, or let them in your house or car. a lot of parents get suspicious of adults even talking to their children. putting yourself in suspicious circumstances isnt a good thing to do.
plus, its nice to not get kids in trouble =) if you know they shouldnt be doing something, its best not to encourage them to do so. in addition, a nice safe experience with you may make them think the next stranger is just as nice, and instead it may be the stranger who really isnt missing a cat.
plus, its nice to not get kids in trouble =) if you know they shouldnt be doing something, its best not to encourage them to do so. in addition, a nice safe experience with you may make them think the next stranger is just as nice, and instead it may be the stranger who really isnt missing a cat.
He wasn't asking them to find the cat, he was asking if they had seen it. And if they are WITH an adult, it shouldn't be much of a problem in the first place.
plus, its nice to not get kids in trouble =) if you know they shouldnt be doing something, its best not to encourage them to do so. in addition, a nice safe experience with you may make them think the next stranger is just as nice, and instead it may be the stranger who really isnt missing a cat.
He wasn't asking them to find the cat, he was asking if they had seen it. And if they are WITH an adult, it shouldn't be much of a problem in the first place.
Then ask the adult.
I realize it can be an innocent question, but the message kids today are given is a simple, "an adult should NEVER need the help of a child and, thus, you should be suspicious if they are asking for it." As much as you and I can think of many situations where that isn't true, that the child really could help, this is what adults in leadership positions are telling children. You should be aware of that to avoid getting yourself into an uncomfortable misunderstanding.
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Mom to an amazing young adult AS son, plus an also amazing non-AS daughter. Most likely part of the "Broader Autism Phenotype" (some traits).
It isn't always obvious even to a parent like me that is practiced in checking with the other mom first, so don't be upset by it. When stuff like that happens, just say, "oh, sorry, I forgot to check with your mom first" and move on.
But should not the parent have been watching the child?
A parent that is watching the child may be sitting a relative distance away, and may not overhear everything their child says. When you give the child a sweet, perhaps, that they aren't allowed, the parent is sure to rush up and say, "no, he can't have that," but by then you've allowed an unpleasant situation to develop. Better just to ask.
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Mom to an amazing young adult AS son, plus an also amazing non-AS daughter. Most likely part of the "Broader Autism Phenotype" (some traits).
plus, its nice to not get kids in trouble =) if you know they shouldnt be doing something, its best not to encourage them to do so. in addition, a nice safe experience with you may make them think the next stranger is just as nice, and instead it may be the stranger who really isnt missing a cat.
If they child talks to a stranger and they are not supposed to then they should get in trouble.
And any child young enough to not be allowed to talk to strangers should be supervised by an adult.
Parents should not rely on strangers not to talk to their children.
