Examples of Things Not Guaranteed In Life

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07 Aug 2015, 1:06 pm

Since life is not guaranteed and this is the truth these are the things that are not guaranteed in life. The odd numbers are examples of things that are not guaranteed in life. The even numbers are the negations of these things. If one must accept that nothing in life is guaranteed as truth than one must accept that nothing on this list is guaranteed in life.
1. Providing for one self
2. Not Providing for one self
3. Becoming a millionaire
4. Not Becoming a millionaire
5. Being able to get a degree
6. Not being able to get a degree
7. Being able to get a job
8. Not being able to get a job
9. Being able to win a game
10. Not being able to win a game
11. Fixing one’s car
12. Not fixing one’s car
13. Will be able to obtain a house
14. Will not be able to obtain a house
15. Being able to pay one’s mortgage
16. Not being able to pay for one’s mortgage
17. Being able to follow the will of God
18. Not being able to follow the will of God
19. Being able to be moral
20. Not being able to be moral
21. Being able to follow the law
22. Not being able to follow the law
23. Being able to take responsibility for one’s own actions
24. Not being able to take responsibility for one’s own actions
25. Turning on a light
26. Not turning on a light
27. Will live the next day
28. Will not live the next day
29. Finding someone and marrying them
30. Not finding someone and marrying them
31. Being Born
32. Not being born
33. Going the college
34. Not going to college
35. Jumpstart a car
36. Not jumpstart a car
37. Thinking
38. Not thinking
39. It is true that nothing in life is guaranteed.
40. It is false that nothing life is guaranteed.
41. Paying off one’s debts
42. Not paying off one’s debts
43. Getting into Debt
44. Not getting into debt
45. Life is fair
46. Life is not fair



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07 Aug 2015, 1:25 pm

This list could be infinite. Why are you enumerating these things?

Small point: item 31 is guaranteed for all humans contemplating this issue. They were born either by normal delivery or c-section, but it is guaranteed that any living, thinking human was a fetus and developed in its mothers womb and then was born. So item 32 is guaranteed to be false. That state could be true of miscarried or aborted fetuses, but they are not going to be contemplating lists of any kind.

In a similar way, if you are making lists of things or reading them, I think item 37 is guaranteed to have happened for there is no reading without thinking...



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07 Aug 2015, 1:39 pm

Adamantium wrote:
This list could be infinite. Why are you enumerating these things?

Small point: item 31 is guaranteed for all humans contemplating this issue. They were born either by normal delivery or c-section, but it is guaranteed that any living, thinking human was a fetus and developed in its mothers womb and then was born. So item 32 is guaranteed to be false. That state could be true of miscarried or aborted fetuses, but they are not going to be contemplating lists of any kind.

In a similar way, if you are making lists of things or reading them, I think item 37 is guaranteed to have happened for there is no reading without thinking...


Answer: Because the saying makes no sense as one of America's maxims because it is inconsistent and contradictory internal to itself and it is contradictory to the concept that life isn't fair. If nothing in life is guaranteed is true then it can't be true that life isn't fair.

American society is a society with inherent contradictions such as this. Another example of American standards that are contradictory is private property rights. What if a person or group of persons gain control of the "gold" sort of speak by earning this control and end up setting up a dictatorship by buying out the government through corporate finance? Meaning one can rig the game.

Another thing. How can rights be inalienable if exceptions must exist like the typhoid mary case in which she claimed to have liberty and the state of New York disagreed and said others had their right to life which trumped her liberty? How is liberty and pursuit of happiness inalienable when they contradict with other rights causing conflicts?

If one has the right to bare arms then does that mean one has the right to a nuclear weapon? Our constitution and the values and standards that we as Americans hold dear are vague, contradictory and make no sense.


Things like I wrote here.

http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/m ... advocates/



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07 Aug 2015, 2:01 pm

People are vague, contradictory and make no sense, so it is consistent that their maxims and aphorism would share those characteristics.



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07 Aug 2015, 4:11 pm

Are you talking about the saying "Nothing is guaranteed but death and taxes"?

If so, it's a play on words basically saying that taxes, like death, suck. It's also saying that the tax man, like the Grim Reaper will hunt you down no matter where you are and take what he is after.

It's not true. There are people in the US who know how to not pay taxes and get away with it, and there are some who are tax exempt. It's sort of a little funny about how taxes suck and are always looming.

Death is the only thing that is absolutely guaranteed for someone once they are alive. That is because all life ends and it ends in death. (Please no philosophical discussions on what is death and all that, that isn't what this saying is about)

It's not meant to be taken as an absolute. It's just a saying.


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07 Aug 2015, 7:16 pm

Let's shorten the list.

10 Things Not Guaranteed In Life Are:

1) Immortality
2) Health
3) Freedom / Liberty
4) Happiness
5) Respect
6) Trust
7) Employment / Income
8) Love
9) Comfort
10) Wealth

Barring mutation (#1) or inheritance (#10), an individual must earn these things, or at least labor in the pursuit of them.



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07 Aug 2015, 7:32 pm

Fnord wrote:
Let's shorten the list.

10 Things Not Guaranteed In Life Are:

1) Immortality
2) Health
3) Freedom / Liberty
4) Happiness
5) Respect
6) Trust
7) Employment / Income
8) Love
9) Comfort
10) Wealth

Barring inheritance, an individual must earn these things, or at least labor in the pursuit of them.


Somebody was asking about you, and I can't remember which forum, but they were wondering about you in the subject line. Where you were. You might want to take a look around and check in.

You're getting a fan club Fnord. People wonder when you're gone. I'm gonna be president of it and charge them to join, ok?

But, even with inheritance that is not an iron clad guarantee. The money could be lost or it could end up needing to be spent on healthcare for a really long living and expensively sick family member. There are lots of things that could happen. Hell, you could kill somebody accidentally and go to prison the month before you are supposed to inherit ten million dollars, and the victims family could sue you and take it all, so there is no guarantee, only odds.

We are all guaranteed to die though. Kinda sucks that our one guarantee is something nobody would get all excited about.


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07 Aug 2015, 7:43 pm

OliveOilMom wrote:
Somebody was asking about you, and I can't remember which forum, but they were wondering about you in the subject line. Where you were. You might want to take a look around and check in.
It was Adamantium, and I sent a PM.
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We are all guaranteed to die though. Kinda sucks that our one guarantee is something nobody would get all excited about.
"Nothing is certain but death and taxes." -- Attributed to many authors

This maxim draws on the actual inevitability of death to highlight the difficulty in avoiding the burden of taxation.



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07 Aug 2015, 7:57 pm

The list is countably infinite.

There are a infinite number of things in the universe and you can only be "guaranteed" a finite many of those things. Therefore the list is countably infinite.

Yet again, I fail to see to point of this thread.


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07 Aug 2015, 8:46 pm

The OP wants to disprove the American maxim that "You can get anything you want, provided you work hard enough for it."

I would agree, to a certain extent.

But I do believe it's useful and constructive to work for things most of the time.



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07 Aug 2015, 8:47 pm

Rudin wrote:
[...] I fail to see to point of this thread.
So? :roll:

Cubedemon6073 expressed his opinion on a topic, and others have joined in - this is Freedom of Expression, and THAT is the point!

Are you now the designated judge of what constitutes a "pointless" thread?

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07 Aug 2015, 9:04 pm

Fnord wrote:
Rudin wrote:
[...] I fail to see to point of this thread.
So? :roll:

Cubedemon6073 expressed his opinion on a topic, and others have joined in - this is Freedom of Expression, and THAT is the point!

Are you now the designated judge of what constitutes a "pointless" thread?

:lol:


So? Nothing.

Yes this is freedom of expression and I have expressed freely that I don't get the point of this thread, that's not to say it's pointless. For a man that speaks about freedom of expression you sure seem to be attempting to censor me out. Also, I highly doubt the point of this thread was a demonstration of freedom of speech.

It has a simple answer. As kraftiekortie stated the OP is trying to disprove the "if you work hard enough you can do anything" hypothesis, this has a counter-example the Continuum Hypothesis. No matter how hard you work you will never be able to prove or disprove CH because the current axioms of set theory make it unsolvable.


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07 Aug 2015, 9:10 pm

Fnord wrote:
Rudin wrote:
[...] I fail to see to point of this thread.
So? :roll:

Cubedemon6073 expressed his opinion on a topic, and others have joined in - this is Freedom of Expression, and THAT is the point!

Are you now the designated judge of what constitutes a "pointless" thread?

:lol:


Also, no I am not the judge of what constitutes a "pointless" thread since I have made many myself, have I not?

It would be hypocritical to judge others.


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07 Aug 2015, 9:19 pm

No matter how hard I work, I will never, ever be able to drive a gold plated Lamborghini directly on the moons surface for ten miles at top speed without any kind of outside interference or equipment or modification.

I guarantee that.


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07 Aug 2015, 9:41 pm

It would be nice for me to GET to the moon!



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07 Aug 2015, 9:43 pm

OliveOilMom wrote:
Death is the only thing that is absolutely guaranteed for someone once they are alive. That is because all life ends and it ends in death.


Except for certain of us undead immortals, like Fnord 8) et al.

Compiling such lists may be an endless exercise. The salient issue though is that we can choose our actions to sway outcomes. For example, nos. 5 & 6: if a given student studies and practices with diligence, then the chance of a successful outcome, while not guaranteed, becomes highly likely. The outcome Y is contingent upon X along with precipitating factor(s).


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