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20 Sep 2016, 6:16 pm

Eugen Bleuer, in 1911, did not describe autism; he describe schizophrenia--that people with "dementia praecox" (the old name for schizophrenia) have an "autistic" mindset.

Leo Kanner was the one that bought autism to the mainstream, under its own name. This was in 1942 (1943?) Autism became a known entity in the psychological/psychiatric community soon after. It was very well-established in case studies by the 1950s.

Asperger's was referred to as "autistic psychopathy" by Hans Asperger, in a paper he wrote in 1943.



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21 Sep 2016, 12:36 am



An interesting and informative video about the anti-vax phenomenon.


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21 Sep 2016, 7:09 am

It is exactly like cancer, what is said it was always there but no one diagnosed it numerically . And of course now there is NO increase in cancer . Look at cancer now, they are stopping many forms of it from causing death. I am sure much more advanced biochemical treatments exist for most of the diseases, but they are not anniunced to continue to sell useless Meds , and let the number of killings of people rise . Wake up everyone, can't you read the sequence?



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21 Sep 2016, 1:59 pm

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It is exactly like cancer, what is said it was always there but no one diagnosed it numerically . And of course now there is NO increase in cancer . Look at cancer now, they are stopping many forms of it from causing death. I am sure much more advanced biochemical treatments exist for most of the diseases, but they are not anniunced to continue to sell useless Meds , and let the number of killings of people rise . Wake up everyone, can't you read the sequence?


Please get some help for your paranoia--your child needs your help and you are shirking your duties by intentionally remaining this ignorant and ill. If you won't get help, perhaps there is someone in your family who can help you care for your child? Have you ever sought professional help for your mental health before? You really should consider it if that kind of help is available where you live.


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21 Sep 2016, 2:20 pm

Having my proper first experience of an anti-vaxxer at the moment. It's fascinating and terrifying in equal measure.

This isn't someone that I know personally. I added her on FB to help her to join a group, then she turned out to be a conspiracy theorist. She posts multiple times a day about how the government is pumping poison into the air, and how she's disgusted that people let their children play out in the fresh air and how it's going to kill them.

Interestingly, she does feed her child processed food from a jar and has him front-facing in her car, both things frowned upon for health/safety reasons (the front-facing seat significantly more than the jar food).

I've kept her on FB purely because watching her is like an incredible science experiment. I can't quite believe that people really think like her, and it's fascinating.

However, her most recent quotes did take it to another level. She posted a video of a man crying about how hard it was raising his autistic daughter (in front of the autistic daughter, by the way). At no point in this video does the man even mention vaccinations. She wrote that she suspects it's caused by vaccinations, and that she posted it because a friend of hers said that she was 'concerned by anti-vaxxers', and she needs to 'wake the f*** up because she's about to give birth and poison her son's brand new tiny little body'.

Another friend of hers commented saying that he agreed. He said he was currently spamming his sister with anti-vaccination emails because she vaccinated her first child and 'the kids seems fine but who knows what the future holds', and she's now due to have a second child.

The girl I have on FB responded by recommending that her friend lock his sister in a room and refuse to let her out until she agrees not to 'inject that tiny body with poisons, because an autism rate of 1 per 8 means it's an epidemic'. I quote 'Threaten her. Lock her in a room and tell her she's not getting out until she's changed her mind'.

Absolutely incredible.

It's compelling viewing, however.



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21 Sep 2016, 3:07 pm

ArielsSong wrote:
Having my proper first experience of an anti-vaxxer at the moment. It's fascinating and terrifying in equal measure.

This isn't someone that I know personally. I added her on FB to help her to join a group, then she turned out to be a conspiracy theorist. She posts multiple times a day about how the government is pumping poison into the air, and how she's disgusted that people let their children play out in the fresh air and how it's going to kill them.

Interestingly, she does feed her child processed food from a jar and has him front-facing in her car, both things frowned upon for health/safety reasons (the front-facing seat significantly more than the jar food).

I've kept her on FB purely because watching her is like an incredible science experiment. I can't quite believe that people really think like her, and it's fascinating.

However, her most recent quotes did take it to another level. She posted a video of a man crying about how hard it was raising his autistic daughter (in front of the autistic daughter, by the way). At no point in this video does the man even mention vaccinations. She wrote that she suspects it's caused by vaccinations, and that she posted it because a friend of hers said that she was 'concerned by anti-vaxxers', and she needs to 'wake the f*** up because she's about to give birth and poison her son's brand new tiny little body'.

Another friend of hers commented saying that he agreed. He said he was currently spamming his sister with anti-vaccination emails because she vaccinated her first child and 'the kids seems fine but who knows what the future holds', and she's now due to have a second child.

The girl I have on FB responded by recommending that her friend lock his sister in a room and refuse to let her out until she agrees not to 'inject that tiny body with poisons, because an autism rate of 1 per 8 means it's an epidemic'. I quote 'Threaten her. Lock her in a room and tell her she's not getting out until she's changed her mind'.

Absolutely incredible.

It's compelling viewing, however.


It's not "compelling viewing", it's child abuse to not vaccinate. Also, the level of paranoia in some anti-vaxxers rises to the level of mental illness, which is also not "compelling viewing". People suffering from mental illnesses are not like freaks at the circus for you to ogle, they are people who need help.

I can understand that the phenomenon can be interesting to someone who doesn't understand first-hand what it's like to be so hampered by paranoia and ignorance/cognitive bias, but don't treat it like a side-show. People who won't vaccinate their children to keep them safe from preventable diseases should be reported to Child and Family Services, not ogled for entertainment.


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21 Sep 2016, 3:33 pm

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People who won't vaccinate their children to keep them safe from preventable diseases should be reported to Child and Family Services, not ogled for entertainment.


Reported for what, exactly?

It is, (unfortunately?), their choice.

And I don't think that we can accuse anyone with a different opinion to ours of having a 'mental illness'.

I sense from your post that you have suffered from mental illness and have been offended by my wording, and if that's the case then I apologise, but I still don't believe that we should be claiming 'mental illness' simply because someone has a very different view to ours.



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21 Sep 2016, 4:31 pm

Eillbetfirce, just hold your tongue please. There are moral limitations in addressing others , thank you.



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21 Sep 2016, 5:18 pm

ArielsSong wrote:
wilburforce wrote:
People who won't vaccinate their children to keep them safe from preventable diseases should be reported to Child and Family Services, not ogled for entertainment.


Reported for what, exactly?

It is, (unfortunately?), their choice.

And I don't think that we can accuse anyone with a different opinion to ours of having a 'mental illness'.

I sense from your post that you have suffered from mental illness and have been offended by my wording, and if that's the case then I apologise, but I still don't believe that we should be claiming 'mental illness' simply because someone has a very different view to ours.


It is not a parent's right to risk their child's health and life--unless the child has a medical condition that would actually make vaccination dangerous (they are rare, but it's possible), then you owe it to your child as well as your community (and any members of it who might have compromised immune systems) to get them vaccinated.

It's not just a "different" view, though--it is demonstrably false and not based on facts, and paranoid to the point of being irrational and dangerous.


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21 Sep 2016, 6:56 pm

I find it a very dangerous game to not give your children vaccinations.

Unfortunately, nobody can really force parents (at least in the US) to vaccinate their kids---although preschools almost always require a complete vaccination record for admittance.

I really don't want something like Diphtheria to come back!

Pertussis (whooping cough), a disease of the 19th century thought virtually eradicated, has made a comeback.



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21 Sep 2016, 7:28 pm

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I find it a very dangerous game to not give your children vaccinations.

Unfortunately, nobody can really force parents (at least in the US) to vaccinate their kids---although preschools almost always require a complete vaccination record for admittance.

I really don't want something like Diphtheria to come back!

Pertussis (whooping cough), a disease of the 19th century thought virtually eradicated, has made a comeback.


I think they should change the law so that unless your child has a medical condition and gets an exemption from a doctor you can be charged with child abuse if you don't vaccinate. I'm not sure what the laws are like regarding vaccinations here in Canada but I know that a Calgary couple were recently convicted for the death of their son from meningitis for not providing proper medical care.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/m ... -1.3552941


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22 Sep 2016, 2:08 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
Eugen Bleuer, in 1911, did not describe autism; he describe schizophrenia--that people with "dementia praecox" (the old name for schizophrenia) have an "autistic" mindset.

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Leo Kanner was the one that bought autism to the mainstream, under its own name. This was in 1942 (1943?) Autism became a known entity in the psychological/psychiatric community soon after. It was very well-established in case studies by the 1950s.

Asperger's was referred to as "autistic psychopathy" by Hans Asperger, in a paper he wrote in 1943.


And before autism was diagnosed and codified as its own disorder, many autistics were diagnosed with a schizophrenic disorder and later reclassified... (I know two personally - or rather... knew two... both have passed)


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02 Oct 2016, 3:45 pm

My mom claims this is why I am autistic. I don't know if she's right or wrong, it seems a lil crackpot although it doesn't seem like something the government would be above doing (purposely injecting diseases into unsuspecting children, like when they gave kids polio in the 70s). Seems likely I guess



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02 Oct 2016, 3:54 pm

DJKhaleedBRjan wrote:
My mom claims this is why I am autistic. I don't know if she's right or wrong, it seems a lil crackpot although it doesn't seem like something the government would be above doing (purposely injecting diseases into unsuspecting children, like when they gave kids polio in the 70s). Seems likely I guess


It doesn't just seem a "little crackpot," it does in fact seem monumentally deluded.

The government deliberately gave kids Polio in the 1970s? Where, which goverment? Evidence?


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02 Oct 2016, 5:04 pm

Okay, I actually had it the other way around but hers an article I fished up in regards to what I mentioned prior: http://www.naturalnews.com/041345_CDC_p ... _SV40.html

Some spooky stuff out there. The truth is out there and I intend to find out.



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02 Oct 2016, 5:20 pm

Their snake oil adverts amused me - like "the miracle elixir that melts fat" and other remarkable solutions completely unknown to science.