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23 Apr 2008, 11:43 pm

I read that AS children are more given to harassment than any other children. As an emotional AS, I think it's true.

But harassment can come in all forms at all ages. It can happen from the school bully, or the boss at work, maybe a coworker.

Maybe even a friend sometimes does something that isn't right, or upsets your child.

But I was wondering what do you do when your child feels harassed? Do you go to their school? To their boss? if so, with what?


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24 Apr 2008, 7:06 am

i think one of the first things I need to remember is that , unfortunately, my son does not always interpret things correctly.....in the past, i've marched into school angered by my son's reports of being harrassed-only to find out that his allegations are incorrect...........i always support my son & say that i will stand by him ( and i do), but i also take what he says with a grain of salt.



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24 Apr 2008, 8:43 pm

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i think one of the first things I need to remember is that , unfortunately, my son does not always interpret things correctly.....in the past, i've marched into school angered by my son's reports of being harrassed-only to find out that his allegations are incorrect...........i always support my son & say that i will stand by him ( and i do), but i also take what he says with a grain of salt.


Well, if he's upset he's not going to interpret things wisely


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25 Apr 2008, 9:29 am

ster wrote:
i think one of the first things I need to remember is that , unfortunately, my son does not always interpret things correctly.....in the past, i've marched into school angered by my son's reports of being harrassed-only to find out that his allegations are incorrect...........i always support my son & say that i will stand by him ( and i do), but i also take what he says with a grain of salt.


This is a real problem for us right now for both of my sons. They feel defensive and vulnerable at school, and often interpret a harmless scenario as one in which they are being bullied, taunted, cheated, lied to. (i.e. a kid bumps into him and he thinks he is being "pushed", someone makes a mistake while playing a game and he thinks he is being cheated, a teacher discusses how pirates used to sometimes use peanuts as a non-perishable food source and suddenly she is a mean person who hates kids with peanut allergies, and he doesn't feel safe in her class anymore).

Every time one of them makes a serious allegation, I go to the school to investigate it. I don't want it to turn into a case of "the boy who cried wolf" and not believe or help them when someone is actually mistreating them. I have been at the school often lately doing this. :? I am also trying to teach them to look for context clues, as in was the person looking at you when they spoke, did they seem angry, how have they behaved towards you in the past etc. And am hoping that as they mature they will be able to learn the distinctions between threatening/non threatening behaviour.

Last year there was a real incident of bullying. A little boy with some behavioural issues punched my son on several occasions. We dealt with this as quickly and definitively as possible...talked to the principal, the teacher and made sure the other boys parents were involved as well. We don't hesitate to step in and help our sons as much as possible.



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25 Apr 2008, 2:12 pm

my son has been bullied in the past....we still address the issues. just we're careful when we go about determining what happened



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26 Apr 2008, 1:51 pm

What I've done has depended a bit what is described by my son and who is involved. Fortunately, incidents have been rare, but they also often occur with kids who are actually my son's friends to one degree or another. I will give my son suggested responses, and I have several times gone to the child and asked them about the incident. In that way, I get their side of the story, and a chance to pin point issues (one child told me he had been dared - well, you know, that isn't a good reason to hurt someone, and we talked about that, and what his response would be next time. I also noted that if he couldn't be decent to my son, I wasn't going to want to do him anymore favors - at the time I did him a LOT of favors. That talk worked like a charm).

I've never had to go to the school or to a parent. It's always been resolved working with my son and the other kids. One parent did find about it some other way, and called me to let me know that she was working with her son to make sure it never happened again.

One difficult thing I've observed is that my son makes it difficult for other kids to know where the line between a fun joke, and actual harassment, lies. He literally volunteers to become a punching bag. He thinks it's funny. He doesn't hurt easily, physically. But, geez, it can go overboard so fast and while he'll scream "stop" when it gets there, that is difficult for boys feeding on adrenalin to do. Appeal to their baser instincts, and halting at the right point may not happen. I can't read into those kids minds and understand how all that distorted play affects their overall image of him, either. I've just told him to please stop playing in that way, that I see it leading to problems, and it just isn't appropriate. But I'm rarely on the playground, so I can't know if he's taken that to heart. I only know that he seems to be surrounded by kids who genuinely like him, but that his overall image at school is a mix.


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27 Apr 2008, 1:23 am

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ster wrote:
i think one of the first things I need to remember is that , unfortunately, my son does not always interpret things correctly.....in the past, i've marched into school angered by my son's reports of being harrassed-only to find out that his allegations are incorrect...........i always support my son & say that i will stand by him ( and i do), but i also take what he says with a grain of salt.


This is a real problem for us right now for both of my sons. They feel defensive and vulnerable at school, and often interpret a harmless scenario as one in which they are being bullied, taunted, cheated, lied to. (i.e. a kid bumps into him and he thinks he is being "pushed", someone makes a mistake while playing a game and he thinks he is being cheated, a teacher discusses how pirates used to sometimes use peanuts as a non-perishable food source and suddenly she is a mean person who hates kids with peanut allergies, and he doesn't feel safe in her class anymore).

Every time one of them makes a serious allegation, I go to the school to investigate it. I don't want it to turn into a case of "the boy who cried wolf" and not believe or help them when someone is actually mistreating them. I have been at the school often lately doing this. :? I am also trying to teach them to look for context clues, as in was the person looking at you when they spoke, did they seem angry, how have they behaved towards you in the past etc. And am hoping that as they mature they will be able to learn the distinctions between threatening/non threatening behaviour.

Last year there was a real incident of bullying. A little boy with some behavioural issues punched my son on several occasions. We dealt with this as quickly and definitively as possible...talked to the principal, the teacher and made sure the other boys parents were involved as well. We don't hesitate to step in and help our sons as much as possible.


Well it is easy to jump to conclusions like that when you don't understand other people.

Thank you.


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27 Apr 2008, 1:24 am

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my son has been bullied in the past....we still address the issues. just we're careful when we go about determining what happened


How do you determine exactly what happened?


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27 Apr 2008, 1:27 am

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What I've done has depended a bit what is described by my son and who is involved. Fortunately, incidents have been rare, but they also often occur with kids who are actually my son's friends to one degree or another. I will give my son suggested responses, and I have several times gone to the child and asked them about the incident. In that way, I get their side of the story, and a chance to pin point issues (one child told me he had been dared - well, you know, that isn't a good reason to hurt someone, and we talked about that, and what his response would be next time. I also noted that if he couldn't be decent to my son, I wasn't going to want to do him anymore favors - at the time I did him a LOT of favors. That talk worked like a charm).

I've never had to go to the school or to a parent. It's always been resolved working with my son and the other kids. One parent did find about it some other way, and called me to let me know that she was working with her son to make sure it never happened again.

One difficult thing I've observed is that my son makes it difficult for other kids to know where the line between a fun joke, and actual harassment, lies. He literally volunteers to become a punching bag. He thinks it's funny. He doesn't hurt easily, physically. But, geez, it can go overboard so fast and while he'll scream "stop" when it gets there, that is difficult for boys feeding on adrenalin to do. Appeal to their baser instincts, and halting at the right point may not happen. I can't read into those kids minds and understand how all that distorted play affects their overall image of him, either. I've just told him to please stop playing in that way, that I see it leading to problems, and it just isn't appropriate. But I'm rarely on the playground, so I can't know if he's taken that to heart. I only know that he seems to be surrounded by kids who genuinely like him, but that his overall image at school is a mix.


I think I was more or less the same. Other kids would say that I made fun of myself so much that it was easy for them to hurt me.


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27 Apr 2008, 1:37 pm

as far as determining what happened, we've been lucky in that the situations that occurred, occurred in the presence of his brother ( who's NT), and/or his best friend ( who is also NT)......they both are very supportive of my son, and won't hesitate to say whether or not son has misinterpreted the situation. they've also worked to help son try to understand the situation from a different perspective...........i used to listen to teachers, but i've learned that's a crap shoot. some teachers are accurate in their perceptions, and some are not



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27 Apr 2008, 4:23 pm

Some teachers could even be Aspies and take their frustrations out on your kid.


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27 Apr 2008, 5:14 pm

whereas it's quite true that some teachers could have aspergers/do have aspergers....this was not the case in at least 3 of the situations. the teachers were these former jocks who looked at my kid, the geek, and decided that he must have started things because the jocks who were involved in the incident couldn't possibly have started things :evil:



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27 Apr 2008, 5:23 pm

And we all know how that goes.

Hopefully it wasn't TOO much like "Revenge of the Nerds"


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27 Apr 2008, 5:33 pm

felt just like the movie........at one point, the same kids ( jocks) were on the school bus using a pencil to poke another student and to poke holes in the seats. the bus driver noticed it, and refused to leave the school until the principal came out and addressed the situation. imagine the drivers surprise, when the principal said that the kids were good kids & the driver must have been mistaken !



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felt just like the movie........at one point, the same kids ( jocks) were on the school bus using a pencil to poke another student and to poke holes in the seats. the bus driver noticed it, and refused to leave the school until the principal came out and addressed the situation. imagine the drivers surprise, when the principal said that the kids were good kids & the driver must have been mistaken !


Then I'd have asked him where he thought the holes had come from. and would have taken the kid aside and asked him to speak to the principle in private


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27 Apr 2008, 6:34 pm

the jocks claimed the holes were there before they( the jocks) got there.....and the principal believed them.