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15 Jul 2012, 12:19 pm

I've been playing Pokemon forever. I actually had a dream I was a Pokemon Master last night 8)

My favorite Pokemon is Banette.


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15 Jul 2012, 1:00 pm

I'm a Pokemon fan since 1999. I have had Blue, Yellow, Gold, Crystal, Sapphire, Pearl, HeartGold and Black (if I didn't accidentally miss any). My brother and I have always got opposite versions so we can trade. :lol: But he was the only one who got Emerald and Platinum.

I used to battle competitively in the early Pearl days. Thinking of starting back again soon on Black or Black 2 when it comes out... I've been EV training a Shellder recently lol. Definitely going to buy Black 2. =)

I do think some of the more recent Pokemon are ridiculous though. I mean, an ice cream double cone... seriously? :x



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16 Jul 2012, 3:07 pm

I also like Fire types. Fire and Fighting whoop butt against Steel and Fighting types. I don't care for Fighting types but I love Scrafty and Scraggy :D


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16 Jul 2012, 7:15 pm

xxZeromancerlovexx wrote:
I also like Fire types. Fire and Fighting whoop butt against Steel and Fighting types. I don't care for Fighting types but I love Scrafty and Scraggy :D


I too adore Scrafty and Scraggy, he's adorable, is part dark type (yay!) and can learn dragon dance. A slacking pants lizard is awesome. With that said, I've been huge on fighting types but I think its funny now in Gen 5 fighting type has largely become what psychic was in gen I: a must have offensively and nearly unstoppable. Fighting is a check to a lot of 'mons that would otherwise reign supreme and if you are not ready for a fighting type you'll get wailed on in any kind of competitive battle. Snorlax, who was a top dog for so long has now been relegated to the lower tiers of play just because the fighting type is such a huge risk now. The good thing about this is that poison has a bit more defensive utility....if it weren't for the horrible weakness to earthquake, which has always been the most powerful move in the entire game since the games first came out. Doesn't help that nearly every fighting type can learn EQ, but at least Weezing has levitate for that. Conkledurr scares the s**t out of me, both aesthetically and statistically.

Fire is a fairly "underdog" type too that I've always liked. My favorite gen 2 starter is cyndaquil and I usually prefer the grass starters. Arcanine has always been a favorite alongside Ninetales, the latter of which gets some awesome utility finally with drought that helps out my dear grass types. The best fire type though?

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16 Jul 2012, 8:33 pm

Actually, what I found interesting was how they were putting new importance on bug types with the recent generation, which included stronger moves and pokemon.

My favourite type are the dark type pokemon, or at least the ones that have some sort of dark theme, which I guess gives me a weakness to the fighting type, I have to rely on the speed of my Gliscor, Archeops, and Haxoras. Actually that reminds me, I was supposed to be training the Gliscor and Weavile up, they are probably one of my favourite duo.


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16 Jul 2012, 8:50 pm

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Actually, what I found interesting was how they were putting new importance on bug types with the recent generation, which included stronger moves and pokemon.

My favourite type are the dark type pokemon, or at least the ones that have some sort of dark theme, which I guess gives me a weakness to the fighting type, I have to rely on the speed of my Gliscor, Archeops, and Haxoras. Actually that reminds me, I was supposed to be training the Gliscor and Weavile up, they are probably one of my favourite duo.


I love dark types too, I like how in the Japanese version dark is more like..rogue/sneaky type. I think dark is even referred to as scoundrel type or whatever equivalent there is in Japanese. Makes perfect sense really because of the nature of 'mons like Sneasal, Weaville, Scrafty etc. Dark is an interesting type because offensively its powerful but kind of frail, it sort of reminds me of a rogue archetype. Hydreigon is one of my favorite dragons ever even if statistically he's kind of second tier to Salamence..but come on dark pulse is so badass. Before I lost my copy of Black I had this awesome choice scarf hydreigon, I believe he was modest..and I had 31s in speed and special attack IVs (I did A LOT of breeding, its the game for me really). He wasn't quite the hellacious force my Garchomp was but I wrecked some havoc against friends in 3s. The fighting weakness sucks though. I got so angry once because I was fighting this dude's Reiniclus in a wifi match, I almost had him dead and focus blast OHKO'ed me. I later asked him if he had choice lens or whatever the accuracy boosting item was. "Nope". :roll:

You know who else I like a lot that's kind of underrated? Drapion. He's an awesome dark type and I loved fitting him into my teams in 4th gen. I wish crobat was poison/dark with levitate. Archeops and Rampardos are my favorite dinosaur themed 'mons to use, even if Rampy is a pure glass cannon and I only cause havoc with the element of surprise. Archeops is just so damn cool, I think he's adorable as well.



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16 Jul 2012, 10:50 pm

I don't really understand the whole IV thing, but I do a lot of breeding too, I aim at getting the right personality with the needed stat boost to make it stronger, and deficiency that will not weaken it. I must have released well over 30 Pawniards to get the one that I needed, an increase in special defence, and decrease in special attack. I thought it rather humorous as I released them at the daycare, which happens to be right outside a kindergarten, it would be a bad idea to have a bunch of living knives running around that area. I have spent way to much time hatching eggs that giving my character a breeder type just seemed natural

I am actually especially proud of a Zoroark I got to have lower attack and higher special attack, I would usually disguise it as a chandelure to hide it's fighting weakness, having extrasensory or focus blast to give a surprise, and using Foul Play which uses the enemies attack which can be made strong by a swagger. Actually one of the hardest was figuring out how to get a Weavile to get an ice move that would be usefull, I had to get a Medicham to learn Ice Punch, breed it to get a male buneary that to learn the move, then breed it to get Weavile with the proper stats. Always been weird that weavile is ice, but most of the ice moves it can learn are useless with its pitiful special attack.

I also worked at creating an all psuedo legendary team for my battle box: Dragonite, Tyranitar, Salamence, Metagross, Garchomp, and Hydreigon. It has just happened that Hydreigon is now my highest leveled trained pokemon, I usually make a note of not using any legendary, and that I got them from eggs. It also feels like much more of a challenge to use weaker or at least lower levels than your opponents, any idiot can used overpowered legendaries or train a pokemon until it dwarfs the others level. Actually looking at it, my Hydreigon is my highest level with my regulars at mid 50's, I also try a strategy of useing my pokemon that needs the most experience to the next level, unless I am sure that it would lose, and I still tend to win.

Oh Drapion, I remember I previously trained up a Scorupi to get one. I usually get a bit annoyed that Umbreon seems so underpowered to the other eevee evolutions, despite the fact you should expect a dark type to have more vicious stats.


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17 Jul 2012, 1:04 am

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I don't really understand the whole IV thing, but I do a lot of breeding too, I aim at getting the right personality with the needed stat boost to make it stronger, and deficiency that will not weaken it. I must have released well over 30 Pawniards to get the one that I needed, an increase in special defence, and decrease in special attack. I thought it rather humorous as I released them at the daycare, which happens to be right outside a kindergarten, it would be a bad idea to have a bunch of living knives running around that area. I have spent way to much time hatching eggs that giving my character a breeder type just seemed natural

I am actually especially proud of a Zoroark I got to have lower attack and higher special attack, I would usually disguise it as a chandelure to hide it's fighting weakness, having extrasensory or focus blast to give a surprise, and using Foul Play which uses the enemies attack which can be made strong by a swagger. Actually one of the hardest was figuring out how to get a Weavile to get an ice move that would be usefull, I had to get a Medicham to learn Ice Punch, breed it to get a male buneary that to learn the move, then breed it to get Weavile with the proper stats. Always been weird that weavile is ice, but most of the ice moves it can learn are useless with its pitiful special attack.

I also worked at creating an all psuedo legendary team for my battle box: Dragonite, Tyranitar, Salamence, Metagross, Garchomp, and Hydreigon. It has just happened that Hydreigon is now my highest leveled trained pokemon, I usually make a note of not using any legendary, and that I got them from eggs. It also feels like much more of a challenge to use weaker or at least lower levels than your opponents, any idiot can used overpowered legendaries or train a pokemon until it dwarfs the others level. Actually looking at it, my Hydreigon is my highest level with my regulars at mid 50's, I also try a strategy of useing my pokemon that needs the most experience to the next level, unless I am sure that it would lose, and I still tend to win.

Oh Drapion, I remember I previously trained up a Scorupi to get one. I usually get a bit annoyed that Umbreon seems so underpowered to the other eevee evolutions, despite the fact you should expect a dark type to have more vicious stats.


With the thing about breeding: you do know if you use everstone on the mother (I think) you have a 50% increase in getting the personality you want (assuming the parent has it). Still, the rng machine can be pretty merciless, I HATE when breeding for a pokemon not just for nature but for an ability it won't always get. Ugh.

For me, Weaville has always been a really good revenge killer and its nice for those annoying dragons.

Also Umbreon is much more of an annoyer 'mon than something you used like Weavile, Houndoom or Absol. Its offensive choices are pitiful but with the right nature and training you can make one obnoxious, hard to kill pokemon. It may take you awhile to kill anything but you will be the bane of people who fight you, was at its peak probably during GSC era but still a very good tank. In GSC I had a moveset that was like this: Toxic/confuse ray/some recovery move/pursuit, I made some people very mad at mein after-school period where we'd huddle up with our gameboys all stealthy.

I agree with you about legendary stuff, I liked the birds in RBY but thought it was kind of lame that Suicine overshadowed Lapras and Slowbro. All powerful godly stufflike Mewtwo and Rayquaza are boring to me and I don't know why anyone would want to use them when salamence, Alakazam and Skarmory are powerful enough as is. I am very partial to Lugia and Ho-oh, based purely on aesthetics but I never really used them. Ho-oh kind of sucked badly until later generations but damn if it wasn't one cool looking pissed off rainbow bird. Lugia > Mewtwo in terms of coolness plus its the best damn wall in the entire game, even if its a legendary and aeroblast is neat. Everyone else is kinda boring to me, I like the genie trio but never used them. I don't think the battle tower/subway even allows legendary stuff and a big
problem is capturing one with the right nature AND decent IVs. IVs really aren't as important as a good movepool and nature, but I'm super OCD and love having high IVs in my team unless I need a low one for speed in a trick room team. The roaming legendaries always seem to have terrible IVs and are usually a pain to capture.

With that said, even with breeding for IVs and natures I DO NOT bother with hidden power training and I don't think anyone uses HP in any moveset unless they get really lucky or they're using an online battle sim. I use to do the latter during GSC when everyone at my school stoppled playing pokemon but only then, I dislike how sims always use the non-uber legendary stuff to maximum effectiveness due to lack of dealing of IVs (you can set them). Its interesting in a way and I've used the simto test IV values to see how they effected the damage of certain attacks against tanky stuff with max IVs and nature, but that's it. I guess I enjoy the randomness of breeding.

People are a lot less predictable too and certain stuff is more viable than it is in the sims. It really helps that not everyone has access to ideal legendaries and a lot of popular, "game-changing" movesets either are a pain in the ass to get in the actual game or impossible without special events. By pain in the ass I mean move tutors in 3rd gen or playing one of the gamecube games then having to transfer over (like baton pass Zapdos, heal bell Dragonite etc). I am glad that BW2 is offering a lot of move tutors for stuff that was kinda hard to access though previously.



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17 Jul 2012, 2:45 am

I was trying to figure out how many eggs I have got from the daycare, looking around, it was probably over 200, one thing I have often put a lot of thought about is a strategy for breeding, Ditto is important, and then easy to use track where I can move around in a cycle where I don't run into wild pokemon, and a pokemon that has n ability like Flame Body. Spent so much going backwards and forwards, on the path in front of the kindergarten, up and down on the bicycle path, and often wondering if it is worth the trouble.

I will most likely get Black 2, I plan to use my same style of training up but use a slightly different team. My Heart Gold playthough was one of my most interesting as I made a goal of only really using the pokemon I got at the start. With the exception of the Butterfree and Furret, I replaced them with Lapras and Espeon, the reason being that while they were useful at the beginning, but were kind of limited. Was very happy to get Typhlosion, and I like how I was able to use Smokescreen, an early move, is actually really useful. And I was able to use it effectively in Explorers of Darkness as a Charmander effectively also.

Actually something I do tend to get especially OCD about is items, I would keep a large amount of items, especially items that were cheap, like Fresh water, Lemonade, Moomoo milk, Lava Cookies, all the different pokeballs and keeping most of them at about the quantity of 10, although refilling the standard by 10s so that I get the premium ball, even though I don't use it. And I considered the TM more of collectables, than use them for teaching moves, unless I would be able to get another one, I was always worried that I would waste it, but was really happy when they made them all reusable.


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17 Jul 2012, 3:35 am

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I was trying to figure out how many eggs I have got from the daycare, looking around, it was probably over 200, one thing I have often put a lot of thought about is a strategy for breeding, Ditto is important, and then easy to use track where I can move around in a cycle where I don't run into wild pokemon, and a pokemon that has n ability like Flame Body. Spent so much going backwards and forwards, on the path in front of the kindergarten, up and down on the bicycle path, and often wondering if it is worth the trouble.

I will most likely get Black 2, I plan to use my same style of training up but use a slightly different team. My Heart Gold playthough was one of my most interesting as I made a goal of only really using the pokemon I got at the start. With the exception of the Butterfree and Furret, I replaced them with Lapras and Espeon, the reason being that while they were useful at the beginning, but were kind of limited. Was very happy to get Typhlosion, and I like how I was able to use Smokescreen, an early move, is actually really useful. And I was able to use it effectively in Explorers of Darkness as a Charmander effectively also.

Actually something I do tend to get especially OCD about is items, I would keep a large amount of items, especially items that were cheap, like Fresh water, Lemonade, Moomoo milk, Lava Cookies, all the different pokeballs and keeping most of them at about the quantity of 10, although refilling the standard by 10s so that I get the premium ball, even though I don't use it. And I considered the TM more of collectables, than use them for teaching moves, unless I would be able to get another one, I was always worried that I would waste it, but was really happy when they made them all reusable.


I've gotta confess, I spent SO much time riding the bike in pearl and platinum that I just opted to cheat and use a quick hatch code for BW2. Like, I spent such an insane amount of time playing gen 4, its arguably my favorite next to gen 1, I don't know why, I'm just really found of everything about it. I love BW but I dislike how there's no VS seeker or online scaling for 6v6. My time in pearl was so crazy though, before the 3rd gym I think I had 200 hours because I would just "sperg" out massive breed chains for the fun of it and I use to go to a pokemon IRC channel while doing it. I would just go and trade with people forever.

Also Gen 4 had THIS song:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S38qsEH0Oq0[/youtube]

Damn Palkia, Dialgia and Giratina were UGLY as hell though, not even in a cool, aesthetic way like Weezing. Palkia looks like a penis and Dialgia looks like a coral reef-cyborg reindeer dinosaur.



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Koga was such a badass as was Green and Blue.

Yeah they were and from what I recall so was Sabrina. She might have been OP but still very much badass.


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17 Jul 2012, 12:20 pm

Oh man I've been playing Pokemon for a long time, first time playing it was Pokemon Blue on an emulator on the computer back before it got really popular. I find ice types to be my favorite, I've spent lots of time IV breeding and EV training them up for all ice teams in semi-competitive battling. Part of it is minimizing the weaknesses you know you're going to come across(fire types more often than not are sp atk based, so even though Regice is weak against them, his massive sp def stat is more than enough to make up for it). Unfortunately I only have a DS which isn't compatible with newer router security settings these days(WPA), so no online for me. :(



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17 Jul 2012, 2:52 pm

This is why I want a 3DS... :(



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Oh man I've been playing Pokemon for a long time, first time playing it was Pokemon Blue on an emulator on the computer back before it got really popular. I find ice types to be my favorite, I've spent lots of time IV breeding and EV training them up for all ice teams in semi-competitive battling. Part of it is minimizing the weaknesses you know you're going to come across(fire types more often than not are sp atk based, so even though Regice is weak against them, his massive sp def stat is more than enough to make up for it). Unfortunately I only have a DS which isn't compatible with newer router security settings these days(WPA), so no online for me. :(


I had the same problem, even before my DS was stolen. I found that BW could somehow connect online but I couldn't anymore for 4th gen games. Weather teams are really fun, I was working on a drought team before my ds was stolen (along with all my teams). My favorite weather team was a cheesy sandstream abuse team and I had a choice scarf Tyranitar that frequently caught people off guard.



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17 Jul 2012, 4:33 pm

For some reason, one of the main things I'm looking forward to in BW2 is being able to get the earlier generation Pokémon earlier on in the game. I had a hard time liking a lot of the new additions. Other than Darmanitan, I was mostly kinda "eh".

I had the same issue with DP though...I wasn't interested in most of them at first, but a lot of Sinnoh Pokémon are amongst my favourites now.

I'm hoping I can get Swinub, Croagunk and Baltoy pretty early on. :)



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Oh man I've been playing Pokemon for a long time, first time playing it was Pokemon Blue on an emulator on the computer back before it got really popular. I find ice types to be my favorite, I've spent lots of time IV breeding and EV training them up for all ice teams in semi-competitive battling. Part of it is minimizing the weaknesses you know you're going to come across(fire types more often than not are sp atk based, so even though Regice is weak against them, his massive sp def stat is more than enough to make up for it). Unfortunately I only have a DS which isn't compatible with newer router security settings these days(WPA), so no online for me. :(


I had the same problem, even before my DS was stolen. I found that BW could somehow connect online but I couldn't anymore for 4th gen games. Weather teams are really fun, I was working on a drought team before my ds was stolen (along with all my teams). My favorite weather team was a cheesy sandstream abuse team and I had a choice scarf Tyranitar that frequently caught people off guard.


Connecting online with a DS and WPA security? I'd love to know how heh. Perhaps it involves a nintendo wifi usb thing?

And yeah, I've always wished there were simply a greater variety of pokemon to use early on in the game. This should be possible now considering the variety in the game itself. Creating varied teams early on and going through the game with them is part of the fun, but they make it difficult to do that when the main pokemon you have access too are Pidgey/Starly/Rattata/Bidoof and those related types(depending on generation).