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14 Jan 2013, 7:34 am

I really will dislike the time when it turns that most all are intangible games or these dang downloads. I liked to get my expansion packs with the original cases and artwork.
Yet if i download expansions, games, etc then my system breaks those are lost. Hmmm
Does anyone back up there harddrives who do this? We have a 360



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14 Jan 2013, 3:02 pm

Yeah, not fond of console trends. Good thing I've been happy with just my PS2 and otherwise stick to the PC. Unless I'm playing MMORPGs, I don't want to deal with registering, connecting to BS networks, restrictions, etc. I'm too old for this newfangled hassle.



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14 Jan 2013, 3:41 pm

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I just got wind of Sony making a new patent thing. Something to stop the sales of used games. It goes like this: Normally you have a PS3. You buy a game and it is linked to your PSN account making data recovery easy. That's good. With the PS4, you buy a game and it is linked to the console. That's bad. Why? You can't play it on any other PS4.

Their side: Apparently stores like gamestop profit the most from used games and none of that profit goes to the developers. I understand that.


There is such a thing as the "first-sale" doctrine.



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14 Jan 2013, 4:52 pm

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I just got wind of Sony making a new patent thing. Something to stop the sales of used games. It goes like this: Normally you have a PS3. You buy a game and it is linked to your PSN account making data recovery easy. That's good. With the PS4, you buy a game and it is linked to the console. That's bad. Why? You can't play it on any other PS4.

Their side: Apparently stores like gamestop profit the most from used games and none of that profit goes to the developers. I understand that.


There is such a thing as the "first-sale" doctrine.


So profit DOES go to the developers? Even so, it still doesn't justify stopping the sales of used games.


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15 Jan 2013, 8:51 am

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I just got wind of Sony making a new patent thing. Something to stop the sales of used games. It goes like this: Normally you have a PS3. You buy a game and it is linked to your PSN account making data recovery easy. That's good. With the PS4, you buy a game and it is linked to the console. That's bad. Why? You can't play it on any other PS4.

Their side: Apparently stores like gamestop profit the most from used games and none of that profit goes to the developers. I understand that.


There is such a thing as the "first-sale" doctrine.


So profit DOES go to the developers? Even so, it still doesn't justify stopping the sales of used games.


No, you misunderstand. First-sale doctrine actually explains why selling used games should be legal. If the owner of a copyrighted work sells a copy of the work, the buyer becomes the owner of a particular copy and can therefore resell it. It's a limitation on the rights of a copyright holder, such that they cannot control re-sales of copies of their work after they've already sold it once. That's why it's legal to sell used games and it's also why second-hand book stores are legal.



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15 Jan 2013, 3:12 pm

Jono wrote:
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Jono wrote:
Aspiegaming wrote:
I just got wind of Sony making a new patent thing. Something to stop the sales of used games. It goes like this: Normally you have a PS3. You buy a game and it is linked to your PSN account making data recovery easy. That's good. With the PS4, you buy a game and it is linked to the console. That's bad. Why? You can't play it on any other PS4.

Their side: Apparently stores like gamestop profit the most from used games and none of that profit goes to the developers. I understand that.


There is such a thing as the "first-sale" doctrine.


So profit DOES go to the developers? Even so, it still doesn't justify stopping the sales of used games.


No, you misunderstand. First-sale doctrine actually explains why selling used games should be legal. If the owner of a copyrighted work sells a copy of the work, the buyer becomes the owner of a particular copy and can therefore resell it. It's a limitation on the rights of a copyright holder, such that they cannot control re-sales of copies of their work after they've already sold it once. That's why it's legal to sell used games and it's also why second-hand book stores are legal.


Sorry, I looked it up on Wikipedia and the wording was too complex to understand. Thank you for the short version. I guess since they sold it once and they can't control resales, they're probably greedy and want more. So by stopping the sales of used games and your PS4 breaks and you have to buy a new one and a new copy of the games you played on it, they will get more. Am I cold or hot on this?


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16 Jan 2013, 4:56 am

Aspiegaming wrote:
Jono wrote:
Aspiegaming wrote:
Jono wrote:
Aspiegaming wrote:
I just got wind of Sony making a new patent thing. Something to stop the sales of used games. It goes like this: Normally you have a PS3. You buy a game and it is linked to your PSN account making data recovery easy. That's good. With the PS4, you buy a game and it is linked to the console. That's bad. Why? You can't play it on any other PS4.

Their side: Apparently stores like gamestop profit the most from used games and none of that profit goes to the developers. I understand that.


There is such a thing as the "first-sale" doctrine.


So profit DOES go to the developers? Even so, it still doesn't justify stopping the sales of used games.


No, you misunderstand. First-sale doctrine actually explains why selling used games should be legal. If the owner of a copyrighted work sells a copy of the work, the buyer becomes the owner of a particular copy and can therefore resell it. It's a limitation on the rights of a copyright holder, such that they cannot control re-sales of copies of their work after they've already sold it once. That's why it's legal to sell used games and it's also why second-hand book stores are legal.


It depends on how you look at it. You could argue that the selling of used games can cut into the sales of new copies, thus reducing the profit that the video game company gets from new sales. However, the game was already sold once, so they already got the money from the first sale, so there is no loss of profit with regard to the number of copies that are circulating.

Sorry, I looked it up on Wikipedia and the wording was too complex to understand. Thank you for the short version. I guess since they sold it once and they can't control resales, they're probably greedy and want more. So by stopping the sales of used games and your PS4 breaks and you have to buy a new one and a new copy of the games you played on it, they will get more. Am I cold or hot on this?



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16 Jan 2013, 4:56 am

Aspiegaming wrote:
Jono wrote:
Aspiegaming wrote:
Jono wrote:
Aspiegaming wrote:
I just got wind of Sony making a new patent thing. Something to stop the sales of used games. It goes like this: Normally you have a PS3. You buy a game and it is linked to your PSN account making data recovery easy. That's good. With the PS4, you buy a game and it is linked to the console. That's bad. Why? You can't play it on any other PS4.

Their side: Apparently stores like gamestop profit the most from used games and none of that profit goes to the developers. I understand that.


There is such a thing as the "first-sale" doctrine.


So profit DOES go to the developers? Even so, it still doesn't justify stopping the sales of used games.


No, you misunderstand. First-sale doctrine actually explains why selling used games should be legal. If the owner of a copyrighted work sells a copy of the work, the buyer becomes the owner of a particular copy and can therefore resell it. It's a limitation on the rights of a copyright holder, such that they cannot control re-sales of copies of their work after they've already sold it once. That's why it's legal to sell used games and it's also why second-hand book stores are legal.


Sorry, I looked it up on Wikipedia and the wording was too complex to understand. Thank you for the short version. I guess since they sold it once and they can't control resales, they're probably greedy and want more. So by stopping the sales of used games and your PS4 breaks and you have to buy a new one and a new copy of the games you played on it, they will get more. Am I cold or hot on this?


It depends on how you look at it. You could argue that the selling of used games can cut into the sales of new copies, thus reducing the profit that the video game company gets from new sales. However, the game was already sold once, so they already got the money from the first sale, so there is no loss of profit with regard to the number of copies that are circulating.



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16 Jan 2013, 1:28 pm

Jono wrote:
Aspiegaming wrote:
Jono wrote:
Aspiegaming wrote:
Jono wrote:
Aspiegaming wrote:
I just got wind of Sony making a new patent thing. Something to stop the sales of used games. It goes like this: Normally you have a PS3. You buy a game and it is linked to your PSN account making data recovery easy. That's good. With the PS4, you buy a game and it is linked to the console. That's bad. Why? You can't play it on any other PS4.

Their side: Apparently stores like gamestop profit the most from used games and none of that profit goes to the developers. I understand that.


There is such a thing as the "first-sale" doctrine.


So profit DOES go to the developers? Even so, it still doesn't justify stopping the sales of used games.


No, you misunderstand. First-sale doctrine actually explains why selling used games should be legal. If the owner of a copyrighted work sells a copy of the work, the buyer becomes the owner of a particular copy and can therefore resell it. It's a limitation on the rights of a copyright holder, such that they cannot control re-sales of copies of their work after they've already sold it once. That's why it's legal to sell used games and it's also why second-hand book stores are legal.


Sorry, I looked it up on Wikipedia and the wording was too complex to understand. Thank you for the short version. I guess since they sold it once and they can't control resales, they're probably greedy and want more. So by stopping the sales of used games and your PS4 breaks and you have to buy a new one and a new copy of the games you played on it, they will get more. Am I cold or hot on this?


It depends on how you look at it. You could argue that the selling of used games can cut into the sales of new copies, thus reducing the profit that the video game company gets from new sales. However, the game was already sold once, so they already got the money from the first sale, so there is no loss of profit with regard to the number of copies that are circulating.


I was in a GameStop the other day and my brothers were picking out a new PS3 game. There was a new copy of Dead Island and then there was a Pre-owned copy at the same time. One would go for the pre-owned since it was cheaper and that's what my brothers did. If they don't like the sales of used games interfering with new ones, then they should urge Gamestop to put up some policy saying you buy a game and you can't sell it back for a certain amount of time let's say until all new copies are completely sold. Wouldn't that work instead of just banning the sale of used games altogether?


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24 Jan 2013, 6:53 pm

They don't like used game sales because it gets them no money. Well, at the moment developers are adding those 'online passes' so if you buy the game used and you want to play multiplayer, you have to buy the pass from the console's store but if you buy the game new then the code is free in the box. I think this is perfectly fine because most of my games are bought new. I can't go into shops so I have to buy online.

The main thing that bothers me about the anti used games tech is sharing with friends. For example: I went to my friends house before Christmas and I took my copy of Saints Row 3 with me for her to try out. She played it and bought herself a copy with Christmas money. I wouldn't be able to do that with anti used game tech. No taking games to a friends house to show them or play local co-op together, no borrowing games, etc....

And the few times I do get to go into a gaming shop, I like to take in the ones I no longer play for store credit. Game prices are insane at the moment and people have less money and less jobs which makes buying games hard so store credit is a way to ease some of the burden a bit so we can play new games and not worry that we've just spent £40-45 on something that could be completely awful - after all playable demos aren't available for every game so for all we know we could be spending loads on an awful game that we can't trade back in!

If Sony do this and Microsoft don't, then they will lose a lot of their customers to Microsoft. If this ever happens, then all of the consoles will have to do it otherwise you're just giving loads of free money to your competition.



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21 Feb 2013, 5:57 pm

GOOD NEWS GAMERS!! !

Sony has had a change of heart.

Watch this!
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gY_6O9O9wOE[/youtube]

Now all that's left is Microsoft.


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21 Feb 2013, 6:24 pm

It was just a rumor to begin with, we will probably never know officially whether it was actually planned or not. But at least now people(and Gamestop) can rest assured that any game on a disc can play on any system it is for. Though publishers are still free to include one-time use codes for downloadable content or online play as has become the practice in the past couple years, that probably won't change at all.

I highly doubt Microsoft will implement it either.



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22 Feb 2013, 3:12 am

Aspiegaming wrote:
GOOD NEWS GAMERS!! !

Sony has had a change of heart.

Watch this!
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gY_6O9O9wOE[/youtube]

Now all that's left is Microsoft.

I don't think Sony had a change of heart, because I never thought they were going to lock out used games in the first place. I think it was just a bad rumor to begin with. Ok, maybe it was an idea kicked around by someone, either at Sony or MS, or both, but even if it was, I doubt it went beyond that, at least for Sony. I've heard more bad rumours circulating around about MS's next system, some even recently, like MS apparently "revolutionizing" gaming by making their system require a constant connection the the Internet, which is another thing the ps4 won't do, but I'm sure that's about as true as the rumor about the ps4 locking out used games turned out to be.