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01 Mar 2009, 11:31 pm

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Alright mr enigmatic, Firstly, you got the chaos emeralds in the first TWO zones

Only in Sonic 3.
You got all the Emeralds in the FIRST zone in both Sonic 2 and Sonic & Knuckles. I own all three games and have beaten them many a time, so I know what I'm talking about.

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and secondly, don't let me catch you saying anything positive about shadow the hedgehog again.

Shut the f**k up, fanboy.



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02 Mar 2009, 12:03 am

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-Sonic 2: it is actually possible to collect all 7 Chaos Emeralds in the first level. And then, you can proceed to beat the rest of the game with total ease. And people actually think this game is challenging? Please.

I'm sorry, but that's complete and utter bull-shit. The skill (and patience) and knowhow to get all 7 emeralds in Sonic 2 on the first level far outstrips what it takes to beat the rest of the game, so the possibility is meaningless. I got all the emblems and whatnot in Sonic Adventure and got everything in every other Sonic prior to SA2 and getting the emeralds in Sonic 2 still gives me trouble.

Sonic Adventure was awesome, Sonic Adventure 2 was alright, and every other Sonic Game afterwards has been seriously gimped by idiotic design choices. If they could stick to just Sonic levels (I haven't played the Wii ones) then they'd be good. Except the first X-box one. That'd still suck.

Whatever. Sega half died with the Dreamcast and was finished off entirely when Smilebit went away as far as this old Sega fanboy is concerned (yes: I was a huge Saturn fanboy, so you can't beat that can ya! :P). I want to believe some of what I loved will come back, but I'm not getting my hopes up.


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02 Mar 2009, 12:57 am

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I'm sorry, but that's complete and utter bull-sh**. The skill (and patience) and knowhow to get all 7 emeralds in Sonic 2 on the first level far outstrips what it takes to beat the rest of the game

Maybe you found them difficult, but they never gave me much trouble.
Once I memorized where the rings & bombs were, the special stages were a cakewalk. I can still remember beating those levels with ease when I was a kid, and I can still do it today thanks to emulation.

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Sonic Adventure was awesome, Sonic Adventure 2 was alright, and every other Sonic Game afterwards has been seriously gimped by idiotic design choices. If they could stick to just Sonic levels (I haven't played the Wii ones) then they'd be good. Except the first X-box one. That'd still suck.

I absolutely loved both Sonic Adventure games.
And contrary to popular opinion - Sonic Secret Rings, Sonic Unleashed, Sonic Rush, and Sonic Chronicles were all very good as well. Heroes and Shadow, however, were mediocre at best.

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Whatever. Sega half died with the Dreamcast and was finished off entirely when Smilebit went away

Not really.
Jet Set Radio Future, Space Channel 5: Part 2, Crazy Taxi 3, Shenmue 2, Panzer Dragoon Orta, Virtua Fighter 4, & Virtua Fighter 5 were awesome - and they all came out long after the Dreamcast died.
I have yet to play Nights: Journey of Dreams, but I hear that both it and Valkyria Chronicles are supposed to be pretty good, too.



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02 Mar 2009, 1:15 am

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Jet Set Radio Future,

Smilebit.
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Space Channel 5: Part 2, Crazy Taxi 3,

Dunno
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Shenmue 2,

Dreamcast, actually.
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Panzer Dragoon Orta,

Smilebit.
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Virtua Fighter 4, & Virtua Fighter 5

I like AM2, I'm willing to cut them slack, although I'm not a huge Virtua Fighter fan.

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I absolutely loved both Sonic Adventure games.
And contrary to popular opinion - Sonic Secret Rings, Sonic Unleashed, Sonic Rush, and Sonic Chronicles were all very good as well. Heroes and Shadow, however, were mediocre at best.

I don't play portables, and I haven't played the Wii, but I will admit that what I've seen of the sonic parts of Unleashed rox my sox. Which brings me to the fact that 3D Sonic has great potential but needs to streamline itself.

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I have yet to play played Nights: Journey of Dreams, but I hear that both it and Valkyria Chronicles are supposed to be pretty good, too.

I haven't played the new NiGHTS, and although it's had a lackluster reception, I REFUSE to believe it's even possible to screw up NiGHTS. Although even if it's good, we're looking at a Nintendo situation where they're just riding the strength of old ideas.


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02 Mar 2009, 1:38 am

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I absolutely loved both Sonic Adventure games.
And contrary to popular opinion - Sonic Secret Rings, Sonic Unleashed, Sonic Rush, and Sonic Chronicles were all very good as well. Heroes and Shadow, however, were mediocre at best.
Same Here those games are good but the rest have been a wast of my time.



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02 Mar 2009, 6:59 am

Whoops, I got acts and zones confused, so your right there. But Shadow the hedgehog was awful. Awful as a Sonic game, awful as a 3rd person shooter and awful as a... racing game? Also I think your definition of fanboy is wrong. A fanboy would be someone who obeses over a game or console or developer, and constantly lectures anyone who has any opposing opinions to them. Sound familiar :P


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02 Mar 2009, 8:22 am

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I blame Nintendo.


Oh come on Nintendo didn't do it, it was Dr. Eggman with the candle stick in the kitchen.


Nin.... ten.... DO!!


Ok really what did Nintendo do to sonic hmmmm seems to me Sega is the only one that deserves any blame at all.


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02 Mar 2009, 10:32 am

If anybody, it was probably Sammy, who's wreaked havoc on Sega's studios.


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02 Mar 2009, 11:06 am

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If anybody, it was probably Sammy, who's wreaked havoc on Sega's studios.


Indeed.
From everything I've read, it looks to me like Sammy was the main reason why Sega went to hell in a handbasket.
Sammy shut down seven of Sega's nine development studios (and merged some of them together), and tilted the company's direction towards arcade development, which left them with relatively little time and resources to create console games. That, and it would also seem that Sammy has Sega whoring out Sonic all the time instead of focusing on their other games.

...But on the plus side, Sammy did give us the Atomiswave, which had some kickass games on it such as Ghost Squad, Neo-Geo Battle Coliseum, Guilty Gear X2, Hokuto no Ken, The Rumble Fish 1 & 2, and Dolphin Blue.



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02 Mar 2009, 11:13 am

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Whoops, I got acts and zones confused, so your right there. But Shadow the hedgehog was awful. Awful as a Sonic game, awful as a 3rd person shooter and awful as a... racing game? Also I think your definition of fanboy is wrong. A fanboy would be someone who obeses over a game or console or developer, and constantly lectures anyone who has any opposing opinions to them. Sound familiar :P


Sorry about that, it was the way you wrote your reply that got me.
But I'm still going to have to disagree. I beat the entire game of Shadow the Hedgehog - with all 11 endings - in only four days time, and I have to say that it is only a mediocre game at best.
Now, if you want "awful", then look no further than Sonic Next-Gen for the PS3/360. The game itself is barely playable (glitches galore), and its storyline suffers from some of the worst writing ever.



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02 Mar 2009, 2:07 pm

Yer, I've seen next gen Sonic on 360/PS3, weren't much good. Although honestly I would like to see just ONE more decent Sonic game then mabe I think he should end. Unless Sega can produce more decent ones, but I'd prefer one awesome game to several mediocre ones. Man I'd love nothing more than a Sonic Adventure in High Definition with a decent one player, alright story and most of all, a new choa garden. yeaaa boi!


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02 Mar 2009, 4:09 pm

I stopped playing major sonic games around when Sonic Heros came out, and that game wasn't that good. The last really good sonic game was sonic adventure (and even that is probably due to nostalgia, and being the first truly 3d sonic game I played, and I was really hyped up about), I enjoyed sonic adventure 2 more for raising chaos :P.

I played Shadow the Hedgehog and I didn't enjoy it. None of the new ones look good at all.

Also Sonic and the Secret Rings I own, but to me it isn't a real sonic game. Last I remember is being on the 3rd level, the graphics were good, but control is so limited.



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03 Mar 2009, 12:09 pm

philosopherBoi wrote:
mitharatowen wrote:
philosopherBoi wrote:
mitharatowen wrote:
I blame Nintendo.


Oh come on Nintendo didn't do it, it was Dr. Eggman with the candle stick in the kitchen.


Nin.... ten.... DO!!


Ok really what did Nintendo do to sonic hmmmm seems to me Sega is the only one that deserves any blame at all.
Yea Nintendo did a Damn good job at keeping sega alive for starters.



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03 Mar 2009, 12:14 pm

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I stopped playing major sonic games around when Sonic Heros came out, and that game wasn't that good. The last really good sonic game was sonic adventure (and even that is probably due to nostalgia, and being the first truly 3d sonic game I played, and I was really hyped up about), I enjoyed sonic adventure 2 more for raising chaos :P.

I played Shadow the Hedgehog and I didn't enjoy it. None of the new ones look good at all.

Also Sonic and the Secret Rings I own, but to me it isn't a real sonic game. Last I remember is being on the 3rd level, the graphics were good, but control is so limited.
OMG I love chaos Im like the master at raising them ive made every type in every color and all that I Love them YES YES YES YES MORE CHAOS They should make a game about chaos for all i care IT WAS A MAJOR BAD THING TO TAKE THEM OUT



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07 Mar 2009, 3:42 am

And "Eggman" is a silly name. I want "Robotnik" back.


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Shenzie wrote:
LucidDreamGod wrote:
I stopped playing major sonic games around when Sonic Heros came out, and that game wasn't that good. The last really good sonic game was sonic adventure (and even that is probably due to nostalgia, and being the first truly 3d sonic game I played, and I was really hyped up about), I enjoyed sonic adventure 2 more for raising chaos :P.

I played Shadow the Hedgehog and I didn't enjoy it. None of the new ones look good at all.

Also Sonic and the Secret Rings I own, but to me it isn't a real sonic game. Last I remember is being on the 3rd level, the graphics were good, but control is so limited.
OMG I love chaos Im like the master at raising them ive made every type in every color and all that I Love them YES YES YES YES MORE CHAOS They should make a game about chaos for all i care IT WAS A MAJOR BAD THING TO TAKE THEM OUT


Choa are cute.....


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