Is gaming rubbish at the moment? Will it recover?

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25 Aug 2014, 10:50 pm

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I think the lack of innovation will kill this industry.


In the early 90's I would have send yes 100 % it's so mainstream now I don't believe it's going to happen , look at Hollywood it produces the same turd sandwich again and again and again and again and again and again and again !

You overestimate people .


Umm i was kind of confused by your post. Could you kind of explain a little bit clearer thanks.

Another thing that will kill this industry is the SJW BS that's been happening. That's a very big problem that will become a lot worser.



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25 Aug 2014, 11:24 pm

All of that stuff is why I got into PC and indie games in general, and why I'm likely to forever stick with it.

No lack of creativity there. No lack of variety there. If there's a certain type of game I'd like to find, it probably exists. And there's probably many of it.

As it is, my game purchases are *extremely* frequent these days. It's not uncommon for me to buy 3 or 4 things in a week, and I only buy things that look like they're guaranteed to give me whatever I happen to want at the time.

The consoles? Ye gods, no. If they manage more than one interesting title in a period of 3 months, I'm very surprised.



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25 Aug 2014, 11:28 pm

^^^^^

In the early 90's every other game looked like every other (more so than any other time) I would have thought their was going to be a crash than . Now gaming is more mainstream than any other time the masses will just buy what ever their told is awesome , just like a Hollywood block buster .
People should no better particularly so the game "journalists" of this world .

Anyways enjoying FAR CRY 2 so far, 3rd play through any others who like this game ?


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26 Aug 2014, 9:20 am

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In the early 90's every other game looked like every other (more so than any other time) I would have thought their was going to be a crash than . Now gaming is more mainstream than any other time the masses will just buy what ever their told is awesome , just like a Hollywood block buster .
People should no better particularly so the game "journalists" of this world .

Anyways enjoying FAR CRY 2 so far, 3rd play through any others who like this game ?


Ah i see :). You're pretty much spot on and thanks for clarifying what you meant. I guess as long as people pay for the same garbage companies will keep making garbage.

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All of that stuff is why I got into PC and indie games in general, and why I'm likely to forever stick with it.

No lack of creativity there. No lack of variety there. If there's a certain type of game I'd like to find, it probably exists. And there's probably many of it.

As it is, my game purchases are *extremely* frequent these days. It's not uncommon for me to buy 3 or 4 things in a week, and I only buy things that look like they're guaranteed to give me whatever I happen to want at the time.

The consoles? Ye gods, no. If they manage more than one interesting title in a period of 3 months, I'm very surprised.


Pretty much. The PS4 and Xbone are just overpriced low-build PC's which can't even do 1080p and 60fps at Ultra-High settings.

Other than exclusives, there's no reason to not build a PC:

- Cheaper than consoles and way more powerful than consoles.
- Customization.
- Mods.
- Steam summer sales.
- Multitasking: Skype,Youtube,Gaming,Browsing all at the same time.
- Cheaper games.
- The definitive edition of any multi-plat.
- More exclusives.
- Custom OS.
- Better performance.
- Emulators.

The only console that i think is worth getting is the WiiU because it has exclusives that you just can't get anywhere else (Unless someone creates a WiiU emulator).

The reason PS4 sold so much is because of Microsoft's failure.



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26 Aug 2014, 11:38 am

For me, it's at a low point because the new consoles have been out for less than a year and they still don't have very large libraries. By this time next year, it will be a lot better.



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26 Aug 2014, 1:02 pm

ps4 and xbox one are s**t right now!! i see a ps vita for me in the new year. otherwise ps4 has no excitement for me.


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26 Aug 2014, 3:36 pm

The ps4 does do 1080p and 60 fps

Also you can't do a more powerful PC under 400
Especially if you do laptop.
I was going do a PC for ,$400 but it wouldn't have done good for fps or fallout ended up getting a $500 laptop for 250 but it doesn't even have a separate graphics card . great gaming PC cost a lot mor then a $400 console then add in screen, mouse, keyboard . so would have cost me $400 plus another 70 for a crap screen then $50 for mouse and keyboard and I hate playing non RTS games with a mouse

Only sucks that they keep delaying game after game
For most average people console is cheaper and easier .
Just unbox plug into the TV most people already have and play. Vs my laptop that has windows 8 and is always trying to update something interrupting me during games and how its harder to set up and install games and mess up and the s**t freezes

Can't even leave a game on windows 8 with closing it . gah for mainstream games I'll stick with consoles



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26 Aug 2014, 4:02 pm

Misery wrote:
All of that stuff is why I got into PC and indie games in general, and why I'm likely to forever stick with it.

No lack of creativity there. No lack of variety there. If there's a certain type of game I'd like to find, it probably exists. And there's probably many of it.

As it is, my game purchases are *extremely* frequent these days. It's not uncommon for me to buy 3 or 4 things in a week, and I only buy things that look like they're guaranteed to give me whatever I happen to want at the time.

The consoles? Ye gods, no. If they manage more than one interesting title in a period of 3 months, I'm very surprised.


That's why I only buy around 20 odd games per console life cycle . Their are gems to be had .
I wouldn't mind getting a PC, flight simulators sound like fun wouldn't mind Playing Stalker to !


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27 Aug 2014, 8:05 pm

What really bothers me now is the trickery going on , more so than any time I may look at a game and think that looks OK , why not give it a chance , than it turns out to be crap .
Any one else gets conned ?


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27 Aug 2014, 8:29 pm

^^I haven't bought a new game in such a long time. It seems like the "streamlining" of games to make them easier to pick up is inescapable. For me, the learning period is the most fun, actually worrying about stuff and being under-confident, then feeling the reward of becoming somewhat effective. Modern single-player game design has gone in the opposite direction, to the extent of telling the player what button to press in a scripted sequence



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27 Aug 2014, 11:48 pm

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^^I haven't bought a new game in such a long time. It seems like the "streamlining" of games to make them easier to pick up is inescapable. For me, the learning period is the most fun, actually worrying about stuff and being under-confident, then feeling the reward of becoming somewhat effective. Modern single-player game design has gone in the opposite direction, to the extent of telling the player what button to press in a scripted sequence



Yyyyyep.

This is why I end up not really playing any mainstream games.

The problem: They're mainstream games. Therefore, they have MONSTROUS development costs. Publishers do not like risks with such things, so the games in question need to be A: as familiar as conceivably possible, and B: ultra-accessible, since a player that loses to a hard game is a player that wont buy the next in the series, or may even sell off the current one.

It's not the "mainstream" status that bugs me, it's the trends they follow.

Me, I need a challenge to hold my extremely limited attention. If it's not difficult enough, it becomes a mere cure for insomnia. Easy games just bore me. And the typical mainstream game simply offers none. As such.... again, I stick with indie games, because they dont HAVE these restrictions, yet can be as good as, if not better than, the big ones. Oh, some will whine about graphics with some of that type of game, but that's bloody stupid, and a form of conditioning that the big publishers have shoved down everyone's throats in recent years. I'm well aware though that gameplay is more important than graphics (which I dont consider important whatsoever), and can tend to find games that are REALLY rewarding and deep.

Now, again, that's not to say that EVERY mainstream game is like that. I dont find them repulsive simply BECAUSE of that status. Something like Titanfall, for instance, caught my attention immediately as something I'd like. There's been a few others, too. The new X-Com, for instance, is a pretty big game on PC.... and it can be *VERY* difficult. Like, rip off your face and beat you with it kind of difficulty. Or something like Dota 2 (or any game in that genre, be it League or Smite or whatever), which are just about the biggest and most mainstream games there are (League holds the position of being the most played online game that there is, period), yet I really enjoy that entire genre, and they tend to have the learning curves from Hell (seriously, they're VERY hard to learn).

But yeah, alot of "big" games just lose me. They just dont offer much these days. Which is a shame. I remember when going down to a gaming store and browsing the shelves to buy something was really exciting. Now? Feh. I havent even entered a Gamestop in.... probably 3 years. It's kinda depressing, really.



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28 Aug 2014, 1:30 am

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What really bothers me now is the trickery going on , more so than any time I may look at a game and think that looks OK , why not give it a chance , than it turns out to be crap .
Any one else gets conned ?


I stick to game series I know, play demos of games, or watch tons of videos of people who played it. we live in the internet age, so you don't have to take a look at something in a store and decide to buy it off just that. most people watch reviews for everything, be it movies, videogames or appliances. I can't remember the last time I looked at a back of a game case.



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28 Aug 2014, 1:36 am

the big games offer a lot to me and others though. which is why they sell more copies then indies. I don't like a game that is too difficult or gets more difficult as you go. probably why I don't like mario or other platform games. I am not that good at most games I do it for fun. I can play some games over and over and over. like civilization revolution. I love battlefield games. they added a bunch of stuff to bf3 and they changed bf4 in ways I wish they wouldn't but hey thats what you suggest.

most the stuff you complain about I love, while the stuff you love. I loath. I think its darn good there are both choices, or one of us wouldn't be able to play games and be unhappy.



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28 Aug 2014, 3:19 am

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28 Aug 2014, 3:22 am

sly279 wrote:
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What really bothers me now is the trickery going on , more so than any time I may look at a game and think that looks OK , why not give it a chance , than it turns out to be crap .
Any one else gets conned ?


I stick to game series I know, play demos of games, or watch tons of videos of people who played it. we live in the internet age, so you don't have to take a look at something in a store and decide to buy it off just that. most people watch reviews for everything, be it movies, videogames or appliances. I can't remember the last time I looked at a back of a game case.


I do that yet still get conned , not saying it happens all the time , it happens more than I like .


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28 Aug 2014, 3:29 am

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the big games offer a lot to me and others though. which is why they sell more copies then indies. I don't like a game that is too difficult or gets more difficult as you go. probably why I don't like mario or other platform games. I am not that good at most games I do it for fun. I can play some games over and over and over. like civilization revolution. I love battlefield games. they added a bunch of stuff to bf3 and they changed bf4 in ways I wish they wouldn't but hey thats what you suggest.

most the stuff you complain about I love, while the stuff you love. I loath. I think its darn good there are both choices, or one of us wouldn't be able to play games and be unhappy.


This I can agree with though why did they have to tarnish great games like Tomb Raider , Resident Evil , Silent Hill . I knew around the ps2 era games where going to become more access able though never imagined Tomb Raider would become shoot/dude raider .
I simply can not play this games now .


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